i have a question: assuming sharjah tournament goes through and is not cancelled, what will we deem a success? let's rule out winning since sri lanka and south africa have more experienced squads. so is winning two games good? what if we lose all of them?
Interesting comments by most of the participants :k: I tend to agree that this seems be a change for the better, though I’d like to have done a few tweaks of my own like bring on Nazir and leave out Zahid and add a real quickie in too.
Kher…let’s see how we do.
TUMS: As you say, winning or losing is not really the issue. What we should be looking is to sift the gem from the coal. :~)
Australia 1st innings R M B
JL Langer b Waqar Younis 4 3 5
ML Hayden c Faisal Iqbal b Saqlain Mushtaq 89 247 163
RT Ponting b Waqar Younis 150 395 266
ME Waugh c Rashid Latif b Saqlain Mushtaq 23 39 33
*SR Waugh not out 103 315 191
DR Martyn lbw b Waqar Younis 0 1 1
+AC Gilchrist c Rashid Latif b Danish Kaneria 34 86 53
SK Warne lbw b Danish Kaneria 11 41 30
B Lee run out (Misbah-ul-Haq/Rashid Latif) 1 5 2
AJ Bichel c Taufeeq Umar b Danish Kaneria 9 27 19
GD McGrath c Rashid Latif b Waqar Younis 3 17 11
Extras (b 4, lb 10, nb 3) 17
Total (all out, 128.3 overs, 582 mins) 444
FoW: 1-4 (Langer, 0.5 ov), 2-188 (Hayden, 55.2 ov),
3-233 (ME Waugh, 65.5 ov), 4-308 (Ponting, 89.3 ov),
5-308 (Martyn, 89.4 ov), 6-363 (Gilchrist, 106.4 ov),
7-403 (Warne, 118.1 ov), 8-404 (Lee, 118.5 ov),
9-418 (Bichel, 124.4 ov), 10-444 (McGrath, 128.3 ov).
Bowling O M R W
Waqar Younis 17.3 5 55 4
Mohammad Sami 28 6 81 0 (2nb)
Saqlain Mushtaq 45 5 159 2 (1nb)
Danish Kaneria 36 8 128 3
Taufeeq Umar 2 0 7 0
Pakistan 1st innings R M B
Taufeeq Umar lbw b McGrath 5 30 20
Imran Farhat lbw b Warne 29 53 35
Younis Khan c Gilchrist b McGrath 5 18 13
Faisal Iqbal c Gilchrist b Warne 9 41 21
Misbah-ul-Haq lbw b Bichel 11 27 27
Hasan Raza not out 54 240 160
+Rashid Latif c ME Waugh b Warne 17 32 30
Saqlain Mushtaq b McGrath 44 116 80
*Waqar Younis lbw b McGrath 6 11 7
Mohammad Sami lbw b Warne 0 20 16
Danish Kaneria st Gilchrist b Warne 15 36 29
Extras (b 3, lb 10, w 2, nb 11) 26
Total (all out, 71.1 overs, 322 mins) 221
In this above team, which lost this game with an innings defeat, the other tests with score of 59, 53.... in our "new look" team, almost all the players are the same as above, except for Waqar, Saqlain, Hasan.... and these were replaced by Umar Gul, Zahid, M Hafeez.
Should we expect anything "good" in Sharjah Tournament?
Well a big difference:
In the above match the team were demoralised playing under Waqar at the time.
There is a big difference playing the best team in the world i.e. Australia and playing someone like NZ and SL.
Thirdly we are starting the rebuilding process not looking towards winning tournaments yet.
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Exactly differenceis in expectation.Now you know that you are not going to be the best team for next 1 year but then you will come back again..
See it as long term investment.
I understand that too. But the question is, lets say if they loose next 5 ODI games, do you think they wouldn't be demoralised as much? Do you think they will be able to coupe with it?
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I understand that too. But the question is, lets say if they loose next 5 ODI games, do you think they wouldn't be demoralised as much? Do you think they will be able to coupe with it?
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Thats is key you need to persist with those guy who did good in those 5 chances.
And drop who lack in talent or big match temprament.
one thing that is interesting is that the following teams are going through rebuilding:
Pakistan
Sri Lanka
South Africa
These teams went through a painful rebuilding process but are now on top:
Australia
West Indies
India
So the turns of world cricket continue but the fact remains that even if you lose, the experience is critical. you must have strong leadership, which miandad will provide insha allah
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one thing that is interesting is that the following teams are going through rebuilding:
Pakistan
Sri Lanka
South Africa
These teams went through a painful rebuilding process but are now on top:
Australia
West Indies
India
So the turns of world cricket continue but the fact remains that even if you lose, the experience is critical. you must have strong leadership, which miandad will provide insha allah
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Exactly...If you compare AUS,IND and WINDIES you will fnd 6-7 new player in their team as compared to last worldcup.
So I totaly agree..next worldcup will belong to team which does best re-structring right now.
And I thought many of Australian players in this world cup will not show up in next one.... oh darnnnn.
So whatever it is…
Good Luck pakistani team..
and This guy Misbah-ul-Haq is a good young man… he can score good runs for the team… Muhammed Sami and Muhammed Zahid will bowl with great pace… so lets wait for the tournament and lets c what will happen…
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is akram being rested or is he dropped?
I dont expect too much from either.
I think this team seriously compromises our long term strength..and that is bowling 
Muhammad Zahid is no where as fast as Sami, I saw him in the test series against South Africa, and he was as slow as Waqar and Wasim, doesn't swing the ball at all, his line & length is no where to be good and looking at his recent domestic record, he doesn't seem to be impressive at all. I think the selectors are only picking him in his past reputations.
Over all view of PCB selection is 'Twisted', I reckon. Replacin' Wasim Akram and Saeed Anwar with rookies who never played in ODI is a suicide. PCB tried its best to get over WC nightmare but I reckon they made the mistake. Pair of Sr. and Jr. players works better. Wasim is one of our greatest ever players and Saeed is need at the top of the order and his experience is valuable with the youth in the side. Neither Wasim and Saeed had any problems with Miandad and Latif before and vice-versa. All this panga has been created by stupid media.
Also, no place for Azhar Mehmood, which is shockin' I don't understand how Mr. Chief Selector forgot about our most valuable all-rounder? It's Razzaq, who needs a break.
How Pakistan will flourish; I don't know but I put my money on Miandad's coachin' and Latif's Captaincy as both enjoys respect from the youngsters.
Pybus: Latif is a stop-gap captain, reports ceefax
I was extremely disappointed when I heard Waqar Younis had been sacked as Pakistan captain. Younis Khan will be captain eventually, says Pybus I was extremely disappointed when I heard Waqar Younis had been sacked as Pakistan captain.
Most people will have no idea about the pressures he has been under over the past year.
Pakistan's poor performance during the World Cup had little to do with the captain.
Many key performers in the team underachieved - as they have done for some time - and should also be held accountable.
News story: Pakistan 'let Waqar down'
As for Rashid Latif being made captain, I can only assume it is an interim appointment while another leader is groomed.
I can see Younis Khan taking over in time. He is a thoughtful, highly professional cricketer who expects others to maintain the standards he sets himself.
That's not to say that Rashid being made captain is a bad thing.
He has done the job before and is a safe pair of hands to take over at this very difficult time for Pakistani cricket.
Another advantage is that Rashid and Younis are very close friends and I know they will collaborate well.
I have had little involvement with the Pakistan team since their World Cup exit, but I am certain part of Rashid's brief will be to work closely with Younis.
There was a lack of desire to go out and fight - I doubt if there is anything that Waqar could have done to change that
Richard Pybus
If Younis had shown greater interest in the captaincy I believe he would have been appointed now.
As it is, he did not enjoy being made vice captain in the past, preferring instead to concentrate on his batting.
He would not tolerate certain players not being as committed as he was, particularly during the recent tours to Australia and South Africa. And he doubted whether he would have been able to those players.
But he is a strong, principled man and I know if he gets the job at a future date he will have laid down the ground rules first.
He certainly won't tolerate prima donnas.
In the circumstances, Waqar did an incredible job keeping the team together.
In my six months with the side I was deeply disappointed at how uncommitted some players were.
On paper they were probably the most talented squad at the World Cup.
But there was a general lack of desire to go out and fight, and I doubt if there is anything that Waqar could have done to change that.
The accumulated fatigue of being on the road for a long time - even for "home" matches - had started to take its toll.
Waqar was being criticised for things that were not his fault and as the tournament unfolded I really felt for him.
But I cannot say that I am surprised by what has happened.
Miandad, as always, right on the money!
Seniors should support the new-look Pakistan side: Miandad
- ‘Young players have to be given a proper chance to show their worth’
KARACHI: Pakistan’s new coach Javed Miandad has lashed out at some of the senior players criticizing the move by the revamped national selection committee to field a new look side for the triangular series in Sharjah.
Speaking during the World Cup final on a sports channel, the former Test captain expressed surprise at the complaints being made by some of the senior players left out of the Pakistan team for Sharjah.
“I don’t understand it. Before the World Cup they wanted the people to support them and promised them to play well in the World Cup. That didn’t happen. Now the selectors are trying to start afresh and give new players a chance and they need the support of the seniors which is not forthcoming,” he noted.
“If you go by what some of the senior players have to say then it is like cricket should stop in Pakistan if others are given chances and they (seniors) are not selected. It doesn’t happen like that. You play for your country and every player has to make a beginning somewhere,” :k: :k: :k: he said.
Making it clear that he firmly supported the move by the selectors to try out new players and look ahead to the future, Miandad said what had to be noted was that high majority of the people supported the revamping of the team.
“The people were devastated by the poor World Cup performance. I think they also want to look to the future now and want to see new players being given chances,” he added.
He said every player had to start somewhere and get a chance and unless he was tried out one could never know his worth. “The other players have to be given a proper chance to show their worth. The Board and selectors must support them. They should not expect overnight results,” he cautioned.
Miandad, 46, who has twice before remained coach of the Pakistan team before stepping down due to differences with some senior players, said the differences were never about cricket.
“Even they (seniors) accept that there was nothing wrong with my coaching or tactics. The problems were in other areas. I am happy to know that majority of the people have always wanted me back as coach and I am happy to take up this challenge again for the sake of the country and Pakistan cricket which has given me so much.”
Pakistan manager Haroon Rasheed also made it clear that he had held discussions with Miandad on how to handle the situation and the new look team. “We can’t look backwards, we have to look forward. That is our feeling. My role is also not just going to be restricted to administrative matters. I have discussed this with Miandad and I will be there to help him out and give him my suggestions on cricketing matters,” Haroon said.
Miandad said Haroon’s previous stints with the junior teams would serve him well as he (Haroon) knew a lot of the players selected in the team and had worked with them before.
“We will all try to make a concerted effort to put the team back on the right track. There is nothing wrong with the players, they are all talented. We just have to guide them properly and make them work hard,” Miandad said.
The Pakistan coach insisted that his priority would be to turn the Pakistan team into a company or industry. “Cricket is like any other profession today. The players are well paid to play for the country. The country is above everything else. My job would be to ensure that while they are in the team they only think about cricket and nothing else and they will be made to work very hard that I can assure you.”
Haroon pointed out that one of his main priorities as manager would be to ensure that the players adhered to discipline not only on the field but also off it.
“They should know that nothing comes above the country. They are playing for Pakistan and they are well paid for it. They deserve to be on their best behaviour and give their best.”
He, however, cautioned that the Board, selectors and people would have to be patient with the new look side and allow the players to establish themselves after which the results would start showing automatically. “Unless we are given enough time to show what we can do then we should not be held accountable for the performances of the team.”
He pointed out that the selectors had tried to select a blend of senior, experienced, discarded and new players which was a good idea.
“Rashid Latif, Yousaf Youhana, Younis Khan, Saleem Elahi, Taufeeq Umar, Muhammad Sami and Abdul Razzaq are all experienced and senior players. Faisal Iqbal, Misbahul Haq, Danish Kaneria, Muhammad Zahid and Shoaib Malik are making comebacks while Muhammad Hafeez, Umar Gul and Rana Naveedul Hasan are new talents with lots of potential,” Haroon pointed out.
To be precise I will just say that time will tell how wrong Pcb is again by not appointing him the captain.