The Nationalists make me laugh.
Thanks for making me laugh.
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*Originally posted by At-Tawheed: *
The Nationalists make me laugh.
Thanks for making me laugh.
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actualy nationalists make me puke, they are the scum of this earth and are like cockroaches that simply wont go away.
You support sipah-e-sahaba ? jaish-e-mohamed ? lashkar-e-toiba ? lashkar-e-jhangvi ? or other terrorist groups afilated with taliban al-qaida and those fighting the army in NWFP ?
What a sad state of affairs. Pakistan soldiers die protecting their country from brain washed terrorists killing fellow muslims in the name of god and rather than paying respects to them and their families support the enemy. After the assualt against Naik Mohammed we see attacks on pakistan troops in cities a coinsidence ? bloody sympathisers or affiliates of naik attacking.
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*Originally posted by risc: *
You support sipah-e-sahaba ? jaish-e-mohamed ? lashkar-e-toiba ? lashkar-e-jhangvi ? or other terrorist groups afilated with taliban al-qaida and those fighting the army in NWFP ?
What a sad state of affairs. Pakistan soldiers die protecting their country from brain washed terrorists killing fellow muslims in the name of god and rather than paying respects to them and their families support the enemy. After the assualt against Naik Mohammed we see attacks on pakistan troops in cities a coinsidence ? bloody sympathisers or affiliates of naik attacking.
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i support the people who were in Wana and had been living in Wana after the fall of soviet supported regime in afghanistan peacefully. they were in their mid 40s and 50s and had married and had children. some of them were in wana because they were being persecuted in chechnya and tajikistan, they were not fighting the pakistani army, but pakistani army came and fought them. pakistanis were handing them over to US to be sent to guantanamo, and thus they fought back. before american pressure, these people were heroes, now they are enemies..shame on nationalist pakistanis, who will even sell their mothers for some dollars, their faith has already been sold.
Why did Naik Mohammed break the agreement they had. The agreement was that to distinguish between those living in peace and those who are terrorists a register would be set up you let the authorities know you live their and you wont be targeted. He failed to put his promises into practice instead attacked army barracks. He could have had a peaceful end to the crisis at Wana but decided to take the war path.
Protecting your country is putting nationalism before religion. If you havent forgoten Pakistan is a country where the muslims of India can live in a Islam republic and practice their religion withought fear. I dont see how people blowing themselves and innocent others up at jumma in a shia mosque are following the path of god.
the shia imam bara bombings are the only attcak people can come up with....there is a difference between legitimate freedom fighters and mujahideens and the people who just blow up at churches and imam baras....but the nationalists dont seem to care and just want to put all of the people they dont like in that category.
secondly, this is a myth that pakistan is an islamic country..it is only a muslim country..only because of the majority of public is muslim. otherwise none of its laws resemble a true islamic shariah state, so there you go with this myth that defending pakistan is somehow defending islam. sometimes these issues can meet each other such as in 1947, 65 and 71 when yes there was a jihad to protect pakistan from hindus but now days its just pakistani nationalistic aims that are being taken care of by pakistani army and thus are not jihad.
nek muhammad claimed that the registering of the mujahids was not part of the deal, and the govt said it was, it just was a you against me sitatuion where no side had any proofs, and since pakistani government is known for its lies, i would believe a man who has spent his life for islam, and thus the government was the one who after nek muhammad ceased fire started to claim something which was not in the original agreement.
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*Originally posted by risc: *
Why did Naik Mohammed break the agreement they had. The agreement was that to distinguish between those living in peace and those who are terrorists a register would be set up you let the authorities know you live their and you wont be targeted. He failed to put his promises into practice instead attacked army barracks. He could have had a peaceful end to the crisis at Wana but decided to take the war path.
Protecting your country is putting nationalism before religion. If you havent forgoten Pakistan is a country where the muslims of India can live in a Islam republic and practice their religion withought fear. I dont see how people blowing themselves and innocent others up at jumma in a shia mosque are following the path of god.
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Pakistan has no right when it talks about breaking of agreements or friendships. Don't act like these Jahidis were born out of their own mother womb, they came out of Islambads womb and they still have a lot of support there. Nek Mohammad was Islambads lap dog when it came to eating up Arab money. Nek had good relations with Pakistani generals that were in Wana. They drink chai, cava, eat kabab and then make macho comments on the news. But Nek didn't learn, you can't trust a scorpion, even if the scorpion is a Muslim.
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*Originally posted by ThandyMazaq: *
the shia imam bara bombings are the only attcak people can come up with....there is a difference between legitimate freedom fighters and mujahideens and the people who just blow up at churches and imam baras....but the nationalists dont seem to care and just want to put all of the people they dont like in that category.
secondly, this is a myth that pakistan is an islamic country..it is only a muslim country..only because of the majority of public is muslim. otherwise none of its laws resemble a true islamic shariah state, so there you go with this myth that defending pakistan is somehow defending islam. sometimes these issues can meet each other such as in 1947, 65 and 71 when yes there was a jihad to protect pakistan from hindus but now days its just pakistani nationalistic aims that are being taken care of by pakistani army and thus are not jihad.
nek muhammad claimed that the registering of the mujahids was not part of the deal, and the govt said it was, it just was a you against me sitatuion where no side had any proofs, and since pakistani government is known for its lies, i would believe a man who has spent his life for islam, and thus the government was the one who after nek muhammad ceased fire started to claim something which was not in the original agreement.
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Just like most of the people blaimed the US gov or someone else rather than Osama Bin Laden for the 9/11 attacks. The argument then was I would rather trust Osama he's a muslim over George Bush regardless of the evidence.
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Pakistan Zindabaad and Pa-yindabaad.
Pakistan Army the best army in the world. **
^ Hell Yeah! Go Pak Army
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Just like most of the people blaimed the US gov or someone else rather than Osama Bin Laden for the 9/11 attacks. The argument then was I would rather trust Osama he's a muslim over George Bush regardless of the evidence.
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hmm... i wouldnt make that statement bec Islam says that you shouldnt just choose a Muslim bec hes Muslim, you gotta look @ the evidence to see which one is right. Justice is not bias towards a Muslims bec we are all human beings too.
pakistani govt provided no proof that the original agreement said that. it only said that it did, why did they not provide the original agreement that was signed if they were telling the truth? it is just stupid to think that govt. would agree about such an issue with out written agreement. so it is pathetic on part of pakistani government to claim something while not providing any proof with regards to it. so in that case, i will believe nek muhammad until i see proof do you see my rational?
i used to wanted to join pak army and was a fan of it, but now after the recent events, i think i like IDF better than i like pak army, atleast IDF is openly kafir, pak army on the other hand claims the islamic mantra while kills for the sake of america.
In my opinion Pakistan killed a rebel. Somone who was using tribal loyalties to defend terrorists. He could have acted on his prmoses which where made in full view of gethering of local elders but did not fulfil them.
Do you think alqaida attacked the WTC on 9/11 ?
Do you think attacks on Pak soldiers in karachi during the wana assualt were justified ?
Do you believe that Afghanistan under taliban rule was a true musllim country ?
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*Originally posted by risc: *
Do you think alqaida attacked the WTC on 9/11 ?
**i think they did attack them on 911, however i am not sure of their justification and i do not condone attacks that kill women and children and elderly
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Do you think attacks on Pak soldiers in karachi during the wana assualt were justified ?
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the attack on corps commander karachi was justified because he represented an army that was killing muslims in Wana and handing them over to kafir nations however these are times of fitna when muslim fights muslim and i do not consider it to be great that muslims kill other muslims, but it was legit. **
Do you believe that Afghanistan under taliban rule was a true musllim country ?
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islamic emirate of afghanistan under taliban was the best form of islamic government in the world since the khalifa e rashida. it was not perfect, they had their shortcomings, but they were better than anything else we have got right now. and i ask allah to overlook some of their shortcomings, but on the whole taliban were a true islamic govt. **
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If the Taliban where so good why didnt you live in Afghanistan. Could you live their. How do you justify somone looking between your legs at the street corner. Should religion not be between you and god, if someone is forced to make salat not making it for allah but fear would that be valid. You're using the internet the Taliban banned internet access apart from one terminal in the whole country so you are un-islamic according to them. How can you justify what the Taliban did to woman deprive them of education. Where does it state a woman can not gain an education. Taliban protected terorists let them do what they wanted for a bit of money and support.
lets go and kill the taliban and their suporters they killed innocent aid agency members like doctors of MSF who had been operating in Afghanistan since the soviet war.
Salute...
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You're using the internet the Taliban banned internet access apart from one terminal in the whole country so you are un-islamic according to them.
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well i am not unislamic according to them because i am not looking at pornography or anything unislamic. so why you bought that pathetic argument is beyond me. **
How can you justify what the Taliban did to woman deprive them of education. Where does it state a woman can not gain an education.
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hmm...first learn about the situation then speak buddy. first of all...it is false that they forbade education for women. there were nursing schools and female only schools in the country and that is even accepted by westerns. secondly, women in provinces where the war was going on against the apostates of northern alliance, were not allowed to leave without the company of male relatives because of the constantlly moving frontlines and danger of kafir NA soldiers kidnapping the women and raping them.
read the RAWA's report about how women were raped and killed by NA soldiers and other warlords during the bloody civil war after the fall of kabul communist govt. those barbaric taliban provided them with security, and in provinces where they did not have full control yet, they made the rule to make sure women were not harmed. got it? or need more?
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What makes these SOLDIERS martyres? Fighting a Muslim doesn't reward you with martyrdom.