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Martyrs?? I mean how? 
Muslims killing muslims, and martyrs.
Think again!
Errr.. This was the funeral of those soldiers murdered in Karachi, not the ones murdered in Wana.
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This is imitating the Kuffar.
Whoever imitates a people, he is from them, as said by our Messenger 'Alayhi Salaatu Was-Sallam. So let us, insha-Allaah, imitate the Messenger and his Companions, instead of the Kuffar.
Also, them pictures, they were not of the Martyrs. Fighting in the Pakistani army is not Jihaad. The Pakistani army is based upon non-Islaamic ideologies and practices. And we ask Allaah to protect us, and establish an Islaamic Leadership in Pakistan.
Aameen.
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Whoever imitates a people, he is from them, as said by our Messenger 'Alayhi Salaatu Was-Sallam. So let us, insha-Allaah, imitate the Messenger and his Companions, instead of the Kuffar.
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english kyu bole rahay ho phir?
It is better to speak 'Arabee, no doubt, and it's even Waajib upon us to learn it. But to say that if a person speaks a ceartain language, he is imitating the Kuffaar, is wrong. It's not about language, I mean normal language. But if you were to speak the Religious Language, of the Kuffaar, then it's a different story.
For example, if you went around saying "Hallelujah" like the Cross Worshipper Christians do, then you would be imitating them. Unfortunately, I've seen many instances of Muslims doing this. Indeed Ignorance has had an evil effect upon the Ummah.
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english kyu bole rahay ho phir?
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As long as he is not speaking Persian or Farsi.
Its ok.
take care
I'm no urdu speaker but, world wide web kyu bole rahay ho phir?
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*Originally posted by At-Tawheed: *
This is imitating the Kuffar.
Whoever imitates a people, he is from them, as said by our Messenger 'Alayhi Salaatu Was-Sallam. So let us, insha-Allaah, imitate the Messenger and his Companions, instead of the Kuffar.
Also, them pictures, they were not of the Martyrs. Fighting in the Pakistani army is not Jihaad. The Pakistani army is based upon non-Islaamic ideologies and practices. And we ask Allaah to protect us, and establish an Islaamic Leadership in Pakistan.
Aameen.
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My friend they were muslims and sacrificed their lives for the country.They are martyrs in my book. Whether the Pakistani Army motives were right or wrong is another issue. What matters is they served their country.
what a loser 
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As long as he is not speaking Persian or Farsi.
Its ok.
take care
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That is the most stupid thing you've ever said on GS. And thats huge, given that almost everything you say has that element of stupidness that you have made so unique for yourself.
No one knows if someone is Shaheed except Allah, so lets not call anyone a martyr, because only Allah knows what that person fought for and if he fit the description of a martyr or not.
I find it funny when people go around proclaiming bhutto as shaheed or even the war hero's as shaheed, do they know whats inside the heart of the men who die ? Were they fighting for themselves ? their country ? OR ALlah and their religion ? Were they fighting to make a name for themselves and their future generations ? or For Allah and Islam ?
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No one knows if someone is Shaheed except Allah, so lets not call anyone a martyr, because only Allah knows what that person fought for and if he fit the description of a martyr or not.
I find it funny when people go around proclaiming bhutto as shaheed or even the war hero's as shaheed, do they know whats inside the heart of the men who die ? Were they fighting for themselves ? their country ? OR ALlah and their religion ? Were they fighting to make a name for themselves and their future generations ? or For Allah and Islam ?
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Exactly right!
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No one knows if someone is Shaheed except Allah, so lets not call anyone a martyr, because only Allah knows what that person fought for and if he fit the description of a martyr or not.
I find it funny when people go around proclaiming bhutto as shaheed or even the war hero's as shaheed, do they know whats inside the heart of the men who die ? Were they fighting for themselves ? their country ? OR ALlah and their religion ? Were they fighting to make a name for themselves and their future generations ? or For Allah and Islam ?
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Jazakh Allahu Khayr Maniac.
When we say for example, Khattab, 'Abdul-'Azeez al-Muqrin or Abul-Waleed (the REAL Mujahideen of our times), are Martyrs - We say this from the apparent. We judge from what they died upon from the apparent.
So, for example, the Martyr is not washed and is buried in the state he died. From this, we gather he is a Martyr from the apparent. But, we are not saying he is in the Paradise etc. We just say he is a Martyr from what is apparent to us. And we do not claim for definite that these Martyrs are really Martyrs, for verily only Allaah Knows that, but we accept them as Martyrs from what is apparent and Allaah Knows Best about their fate in reality.
And this is the way of the Companions. For, after the death of the Nabi Sallallahu 'Alayhi Was-Sallam, the Revelation was cut off, and they did not know exactly who had attained the Martyrdom in reality - But, from the apparent, they would call them Martyrs.
For example, the famous Imaam of the Tabi'oon Sa'eed ibn Jubayr was killed by al-Hajjaj and thus the Scholars and Muslims labelled him as ash-Shaheed Ibn Jubayr.
Thus, it is absolutely permissable to call the MUISLIM a Shaheed if his death was that as described of the Martyrs.
The key word is a Muslim.
Not, those so-called Muslims who fight in the way of the False Deities from Musharafs army or the U.S. Army.
We should be careful, however who we call a Martyr. For example, in this thread, we have people calling the Nationalistic fighters, the soldiers of the Army of Disblief of Musharaf as Shuhada.
They are not Martyrs from their apparent actions. And we do not declare them to be Martyrs for their actions were showing they fought in the way of the False Deities and not in the Way of Allaah.
Inshaa-Allaah you understand what I am saying.
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My friend they were muslims and sacrificed their lives for the country.They are martyrs in my book. Whether the Pakistani Army motives were right or wrong is another issue. What matters is they served their country.
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Served their country?
Their country which is based upon non-Islamic Ideologies.
The country who fights Allah and His Religion.
The country who allied itself with the Leaders of Disbelief against our brothers from the Taliban.
Know, may Allaah have Mercy upon you, this army of Pakistan is an army of Disbelief. Were a Muslim to join this army, and go and fight the Slaves of Allaah on the orders of the False God Busharraf - That "Muslim" is an Apostate.
Well said, sister At-Tawheed :k:
Salute 
Salute!
death to nationalism
Those who believe, fight in the Cause of Allâh, and those who disbelieve, fight in the cause of Tâghût. So fight you against the friends of Shaitân; Ever feeble indeed is the plot of Shaitân. (An-Nisa 4:76)
and we can ask ourselves that who is the taghut in ? musharraf or Naik Muhammad? certainly i would say that by the actions of naik muhammad, he seemed to be on the path of allah, however i do not know his intentions. and by the actions of musharaf i would say he is on the path of taghut, but i do not know the intentions of people.