And how many of the muslim leaguers you know ate pork and drank liquor back in those days?
I am sure you are implying Jinnah too. What your bhuddi aqal doesn’t seem to get is that bacha khan had socialist leanings and so had ANP. A lot of what has been said might not be true (though receiving salary from both afghanistan and pakistan could be very true… ) but so does this pork and liquor remark against Jinnah too!
You are trying to prove he was no mullah (but a secularist) and hence he is also liable to eat pork and drink liquor!
Of course, I don’t have the superb and supernatural wisdom you inherited from your **Dravidian forefathers **(of Moinjodaro and Harrapa time) but what I say is based at least on some sources/information contrary to your mere speculations about Bacha Khan or ANP without any supporting evidence (e.g. from party manifesto or constitution of KKs/ANP).
“Socialist leaning” is a loose term that may imply anything. Insofar, it implies an equitable society, that is true. They of course strived for a social order where there is equal opportunity to all ( to be availed based on merit) but saying that their goal was the economic and political model of USSR/Communist China can only be the fabrication of an **ultra-imaginative/productive mind **.
As for secularism, that doesn’t necessarily mean consuming liquer and pork. It means conviction in ideological pluralism. A person can be secular without taking liquer or eating pork.
As for leaders of Muslim League, it would be better you consult writings of Akbar S. Ahmad, K. K. Aziz, etc.
It would be better we don't plunge into this mediocracy. Otherwise there are also the examples as how the US attorny, involved in Aimal Kansi's litigation case, insulted Pakistanis by saying that they can sell their ....for few dollars or how that Washingtion Post cartoonist "dogged" a whole nation...
The point is, there may be a lot of good things said about an ethnicity and a lot of bad things as well!
You must read what a britisher had to say about pathans.
Bribe them..
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well tell me which pakistani has nt been bribed? whether its president mush by bush or the lota chaudries of gujrat or the mqm with the governorship of sindh?
Punjabis, on the other hand, are supposed to be beaten (or in urdu 'punjabi ke laat maaro') according to brits who successfully ruled the area for a long time!
Typical garbage heaped on Pushtoons and Punjabis by none other than the pesky Biharis.
How come mods let this anti-Pushtoon and anti-Punjabi shebang on the forum. Oh well we all need to preserve the “free speech”. Well here is my right to free speech. Thank you.
Oh Baboo Raam! Punjab and Frontier came under British control only after 1860s. This makes the British rule to be less than 90 years.
However Bihari @rses were ruled by Brits AND the East India Co. for a long long time. So will it be safe to assume what Brits had to say about Biharis? Something like “Bihari ke &@*d maaro”.
When you people will learn that it is not kosher to bring your “khandani paan-dani garbage” out in the street?
Thanks for the explanation LastofTheDinosaurs. I understand things better now. Isn't Asfandyar Wali son of Wali Khan? What are his political activities these days? I would love to see more Pashtoon leaders in the mainstream politics.
Very typical brown sahib mentality blitzy..i expected a bit more from you..the British applied that backward martial theory in India..and globally..they considered Tamils to be poor fighters..they considered the Bengalis unable to fight..they considered the Japanese unable to fight. All of these were proven wrong, the whole concept of bribe them, beat them etc is just a holdover from that mentality.
Amorphous Asfandyar Wali Khan is a senator nowadays..
Punjabis, on the other hand, are supposed to be beaten (or in urdu 'punjabi ke laat maaro') according to brits who successfully ruled the area for a long time!
if you really want racial comments to be heaped on your people im sure people will find a way of doing it but to be honest its a low thing to do.....
the british and others also wrote that the pathans had honour, self respect, they fight when they were invaded, they were trustable, stuck to their words, the british were very impressed by the Pathans.......they wrote a lot about them.....most of it was positive....
as for the laat maaro......it seems even groups liek the MQM needed a laat to be kept down........had they not got any laats im sure Karachi would still be in a complete mess
^ Haan haan yeh bihari bakwaas hogai but when it was time to kill “bingos”, it was not ‘bakwaas’ but sacred words of the british who said pukhtoons / punjabi slaves of theirs were “martial races” and “bingos” were “feminine races”…
No one objected then!
Jahil dugga!
No matter how many names you can conjure up like ‘antiobl’, dugga mentality will always show…
Didn’t Sikhs park their horse in mosques in Punjab while the muslims there did nothing?
No matter how greedy or sellout pashtuns could be, there are atleast some who are truly committed to their ghairat!
And why do you talk to me about bihar all the time?
Do you think I give a sh*t?
Not everyone in karachi is bihari!
Maybe you need to get out of your pind AND smell the coffee for a change!
First of all, MQM doesn’t represent every ethnicity present in mouhajirs!
Second, MQM lost only because it became a terrorist party who even harmed their own supporters!
If they get their act together and replace altaf for instance, then I would want to see how the dugga army comes marching in then!
Jahil FC and the army can’t even take on the balochis and pathans!
Now we have taliban law in Waziristan!
I am now truly ashamed of the spineless ‘white elephant’ army Pakistan has!
If it is that pathetic then it better get disbanded and poor people be feeded with that money!
Must be the reason why the afghan king sold half his pathans for nothing to please his british masters!
I have encountered many pathans of the afghan kind here (maybe not necessarily afghans but wishing to be one) and look what afghans did to their own people (“afghans” means “pathans” as they say).
And where was the honor when pathans went and pillaged kashmir (the reason Pakistan lost majority of kashmir to india in 1948) or kill urdu speakers in karachi in the sixties just because they voted for Fatimah Jinnah not Ayub Khan!
It is ironic that we are letting blitzi destroy the thread dedicated to a true Pushtoon gentleman. As a person, he was gem that we have now lost, and this is the loss for the whole country. May Allah bless his soul. Ameen!
Go ask any person in NWFP and he will tell you that these tribes especially on the border will get money from both sides while pay no taxes or anything!
Though I may not agree with the radical leftist views expressed in the past by ANP but I do respect Wali Khan for his principled stand and I expressed that before!
It was actually you who came and badmouthed wali khan as a villian mr. obl!
Guys, you are being unreasonably harsh to a very nice boy. It's only Blitzkrieg who is gem, and you are about to discover why.
He doesn't even know about 'Khandani Pan-dani Garbage' thing. And he is NOT Bihari. You think he gives a shiit about us?
OK, Blitzkrieg baby, apparently I'm the only one who understands you here:
1- Pashtoons are bad. (They accepted bribe).
2- Punjabis are worse. (They're duggas).
2- Pkistan army is spineless. (They have difficulty fighting terrorists).
3- You're not Bihari. (There are subsets of your group).
4- You are the best. (It is obvious).
Now here is your chance to tell the world about your royal blood line. Tell us a little about your ancestors and and their incredible achievements. If you don't tell people about your ancestors, it will set tongues wagging about your ancient lineage.
(Mods, please don't interrupt us now while we're listening to the legends of Blitzkrieg's forefathers. It has gone on for too long. I want to know what makes his lineage so noble).
) but so does this pork and liquor remark against Jinnah too!
**(of Moinjodaro and Harrapa time) but what I say is based at least on some sources/information contrary to your mere speculations about Bacha Khan or ANP without any supporting evidence (e.g. from party manifesto or constitution of KKs/ANP).
