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OK, we are not here on a glorification campaign....What the British traveller, Elphinstone, said about Pashtuns may be a balanced view...

[Elphinstone was very taken by the Pathans, especially in comparison to the Hindus of India: "The English traveller from India would admire their strong and active forms, their fair complexions and European features, their industry and enterprise, the hospitality, sobriety and contempt for pleasure which appear in all their habits; and, above all, the independence and energy of their character. On the whole, his impression of his new acquaintance would be favourable he would reckon them virtuous, compared with the people to whom he had been accustomed".....

Aside from the invidious comparisons with India, Elphinstone's appraisal of the Pathans was astonishingly well balanced. He admitted many elements into his portrait and ended with a rounded and complex picture of the Pathan mentality: "Their vices are revenge, envy, avarice, rapacity and obstinacy; on the other hand, they are fond of liberty, faithful to their friends, kind to their dependents, hospitable, brave, hardy, frugal, laborious and prudent." ]

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tel me Blitkkreig what sort of noble and royal lineage do you come from? what makes you and your people so perfect? what id the muhajirs do to be remembered for other than try take over Sindh?

just because a few pashtuns committed crimes in Kashmir it does nt mean they are all like that. you need to sort the individuals out from the whole collective roup? does the MQM represent you and other muhajirs? should you be judged on its record of what it has achieved? would musharaf the leader of the army ou cal spineless relfect you. if you are a muhajir then therefore you will be spineless because msharaf is!

dont talk about a few afghan puppet kings when your own musharaf is a very dependent and obedient puppet. not to forget the leaders of the MQM who are all funded by the Indian Agents. .

throwing dirty is easy and not difficult!

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the problem with people like blitzkreig is that they are racist and see things in a typical karachite way. most of the pashtuns are labourers but it seems the more muhajir drivers would rather have a Pashtun driver than any other - anyway he can read 10 positive books about Pashtuns but still would never change his mind.

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Skylop, we don't need to be apologetic...We are what we are, having vices as well as virtues but the virtues far outweight the vices...Pashtuns are an intensely democratic people in the internal affair of their society and can die to maintain that equality and retain their liberty...Only a free man can be a noble man...Slaves and cowards, who bow to others, don't have respect and dignity...

As for this bribe thing, all invaders that crossed Pashtun land north-to-south or south-to-north had to appease Pashtuns and give them their share. Now there is nothing bad in that. When Nadir Shah Afshar attacked Hindustan, Afridis blocked the Khyber Pass, demanding that he pays them (because he was using Pashtun Land as a route). And Nadir Shah had to pay them handsomely. On his way back, Afridis blocked Khyber Pass again demanding share in the "bootie" he was bringing from Hindustan. And he had to pay them again. This is absolutely justified nothing wrong with it. No foreigner can be allowed to use Pashtun Land just for nothing.

Such was also the case of British. They wanted to subdue Pashtuns but after failure to do that easily (study their Forward Policy followed by Closed-border Policy followed by Three-Fold Frontier), labelled Pashtuns savages and faithless out of frustration and desperation. After their effort to subdue Pashtuns failed, they had to bribe Pashtuns accepting them sort of equals and partners and not just slaves to be controlled like a herd of sheeps.

The question is what the hell had these crooked British come for to Pashtun Land from another continent? Had they come for benign accomplishments? Should Pashtuns have accepted slavery of the intruders in their own home (like helpless women)? Should they have just surrendered to the cunning colonialist without any resistence? Only a coward with no strength, character, and self-respect would bow to others. The nolbeman would strive to maintain his freedom because most of the virtues derive from freedom alone.

So yes, Pashtuns co-existed with invaders and foreigners but only after they had been accepted as a sort of partners or equals. Despite that, no invader or foreigner could dare voilate the sanctity of Pashtun homes, interfere with their internal autonomy, or play with their sense of honor. And when someone did that, he had to pay deerly. Examples! Back in Aurangzeb time, a safi girls was insulted by Mughal soldiers. Safi and Mohmand elders approached Mughal officials but the arrogant Mughals insulted the elders also. Pashtuns rose in revolt and destroyed large Mughal armies contributing to the weakening of Mughal power in Hindustan and its ultimate decline. Wise conquerors/adventurers have always sought cooperation of Pashtuns rather than their antagonism and submission.

This is doesn't mean Pashtuns don't have vices or have not been defeated or never had traitors...but their overall spirit is that of a free people.

As for the Afghan King, Amir Abdur Rahman Khan, he tried to avoid it as much as possible. And when he did, he did it on certain conditions. But why not take into account the valiant Wazir Akbar Khan, Malala, King Amanullah, Umara Khan Janduli, and dozens of other resistence fighters?

As for tribals, probably, you don't know that their right to maintain relations with Kabul and Islamabad has been accepted by British and their heirs. Durand Line CANNOT limit their movement according to agreement and their status cannot be changed without the consent of Afghan government. Tribal Area is very strategic and tribals are aware of this importance of their area. They are not docile and sheepish people like "Indian peasantry".

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hi im not being apologetic......this is not my aim mistakes have been made in the Past by Pashtuns but even their enemies praised them!

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Cosmic or not it sure is presenting facts which are undeniable!

Dino, since you are any “aryan” pathan, you can tell me why a pashtun sold half his pashtuns in nwfp for power and greed?

I am not getting it?
Maybe it was some kind of pashtunwalli? :rolleyes: :smiley:

And skylops before you come and badmouth mouhajirs (i have heard worse crap back in Pakistan and here from the lazy ass quota wala “sons of the soil”), do remember that it was the blood of mouhajirs and bengalis that got you Pakistan!

If it weren’t for them, paindoo jhuggas would still be happy with sikhs (who also used to freely park their animals who excreted in mosques).

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may he rest in peace, even though he and his daddy were traitors, but neverthless very learned men

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O Blitzy bhai, you did NOT answer my questions. All you’re doing is hiding behind the word ‘Mohajir’ to badmouth everyone else. O bhai, if I wanted a quota, I’d ask GS establishment to nominate some non-Mohajir mod here to balance things out. But I’m quite happy with things as they are. I’m not even a ‘Punjabi’ yar. I’m only half Indo-Aryan. The forefathers of one of my parents came to the region Punjab well before partition and became ‘Punjabis’. O bhai, according to your logic, we’re all ‘sell-outs’. Punajabis are ‘sell-outs’ because they didn’t support Unionists, and voted for the partition of their province. Mohajirs are ‘sell-outs’ because they didn’t support their Delhi Sarkar and came to Pakistan. Most of us are ‘sell-outs’ because we left Pakistan and became part of other countries, cultures and ethnicities. Anglo-Saxon and Irish Americans are ‘sell-outs’ because their senators signed the document of independence. The people living in the South of USA are also ‘sell-outs’ because their forefathers supported the Confederates. O bhai we are all bad guys because someone from our ancestors did something that someone did not like. Mere bhai, why are you holding the generations of these people responsible for these supposedly good/bad deeds? Let us know if your forefathers have been exceptional in some way. And mere bhai, what do you expect from poor impoverished Pakistanis half of whom can’t even read and write? Comprehension of history or the complexities of ‘civilization’? Mere jigr ke tukrey, you should try to help these people. You are here judging everyone by the deeds of a few who lived centuries ago. Most of us have even no remote connection to these ‘representatives’ of ours. Meri jan, what is it that you want? You know I can’t badmouth any ethnicity. I don’t want to do that, neither do I need to try to insult others to feel good about myself.

Here is a hug for you meri jan. :hugz:I’m bad, you’re good.

(Zak, I’m truly sorry for posting these off-the-topic posts. I would try to avoid that now.)

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To get back to the topic at hand:

Musharraf visits Wali Bagh
ISLAMABAD (Online): President Musharraf on Saturday made a short trip to Wali Bagh Charsadda to condole the death of veteran politician Wali Khan with his son ANP leader Asfand Yar Wali. Governor NWFP Khalil ur Rehman, Begum Nasim Wali Khan and other party leaders were also present on the occasion. President paid great tribute to the social and political services rendered by the late Wali Khan and said that he was a renowned politician who had always done politics on the basis of principle. President on the occasion also prayed for the eternal peace of the deceased and offered Fateha.

The NEWS in it’s recent special on the man wrote the following:

**Friends and foes

Together, they shaped the history of the country and the destiny of the nation, but together they always not were**

By Rahimullah Yusufzai

Khan Abdul Wali Khan’s life encompassed interesting and epoch-making times. Some of his contemporaries were political luminaries who impacted the lives of a large number of people in Pakistan and the region. He also left his mark on politics in the area. Together, they shaped the history of the country and the destiny of the nation.

His 89 long years in this world enabled Wali Khan to interact with countless important and unimportant people. Among his contemporaries in politics were Maulana Abul Ala Maudoodi, Mian Tufail Mohammad, Mufti Mahmud, Maulana Ghulam Ghous Hazarvi, Maulana Abdul Sattar Niazi, Professor Ghafoor Ahmad, Afzal Bangash, Abdul Samad Khan Achakzai, Khan Abdul Qayyum Khan, Mian Mumtaz Daultana, Sardar Shaukat Hayat, Mohammad Ali Bogra, Mushtaq Ahmad Gurmani, Maulana Abdul Hameed Khan Bhashani, Noorul Amin, Habib Jalib, Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, Field Marshal Ayub Khan, Nawab of Kalabagh Amir Mohammad Khan, General Yahya Khan, Chaudhry Zahoor Elahi, Pir Pagara, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto and many others.

Then there were his comrade-in-arms and colleagues who remained part of the same party or movement even if they were a little younger. Among them were the Baloch nationalists Nawab Khair Bakhsh Marri, Ghous Bakhsh Bizenjo and Sardar Attaullah Mengal and the Pakhtun lot including Arbab Sikandar Khan Khalil, Amirzada Khan, Ajmal Khattak, etc.

As Wali Khan never accepted any public office, he generally remained in opposition to most of his political contemporaries. Their relationship was, therefore, antagonistic most of the time. However, as old-fashioned politicians upholding values of our society, they seldom allowed politics to poison their social interaction. They respected each other and commanded respect.

It would be worthwhile to examine how Wali Khan’s style and ideology effected the politics of some of his contemporaries. At the same time, it would be instructive to know how his contemporaries impacted Wali Khan’s politics.

Jamaat-i-Islami (JI) founder Maulana Maudoodi and his successor Mian Tufail represented an ideology that was completely at odds with that of Wali Khan. Their Islamic agenda contrasted with Wali Khan’s nationalist and secular thoughts and their followers often confronted each other on the street and in educational institutions. The fact that both led parties known for their disciplined cadres and principled politics made them into formidable foes. The JI and ANP’s conflicting policies on Afghanistan and Kashmir also put them on the path of confrontation. It was unthinkable that the two parties would ever agree on anything.

However, the struggle for democracy provided the bond that bridged their seemingly unbridgeable differences. It often brought the JI and ANP under one roof as part of alliances transcending political frontiers. The recent JI-ANP coalition in the local government elections in the NWFP shocked those unfamiliar with the past alliances between the two parties. Critics called the alliance unnatural and opportunistic but it was neither the first time nor the last that political alliances were made or broken for transient gains rather than for ideological reasons.

**Despite his frequent anti-Punjab rhetoric, Wali Khan bonded well with some of his Punjabi contemporaries. Two of them, Sardar Shaukat Hayat and Chaudhry Zahoor Elahi, readily come to mind. They didn’t call him traitor as most politicians from Punjab did. That could be the major reason for their unusually warm relations. Sardar Shaukat Hayat’s Abbottabad-based sister Mahmooda Salim was a member of Wali Khan’s party and became legislator in the NWFP Assembly on its ticket. Chaudhry Zahoor Elahi’s political heirs, particularly son Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain, have strived to maintain those social ties. The subsequent alliance between Wali Khan’s family and Nawaz Sharif was in a way continuation of the old relationship with Punjabi politicians who were willing to respect political rivals and tolerate viewpoint different than their own. **

Wali Khan was never able to forgive Khan Qayyum, who was a follower of Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan until independence and had written a book critical of Quaid-i-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah and the Muslim League. Khan Qayyum subsequently defected to the PML to become the chief minister of NWFP and unleash a reign of terror against his former colleagues in the Khudai Khidmatgar movement. Wali Khan also suffered at his hands and the two bitterly called each other names. Khan Qayyum was at the side of Zulfikar Ali Bhutto when the latter politically victimised Wali Khan and his NAP companions.

One is tempted to think of the positive impact that friendly relationship between Wali Khan and the late Bhutto would have brought on Pakistani politics. On surface, they seemed natural allies but it so happened that they became bitter foes. Bhutto dismissed the NAP-JUI government of Sardar Attaullah Mengal in Balochistan, prompting chief minister Mufti Mahmud’s government in the NWFP to resign in protest. Not content with that, Bhutto ordered military operation against the Baloch tribes – Marri and Mengal – and drafted the Bugti chief Nawab Akbar Bugti to accomplish the task for him in the tribal hinterland of Balochistan. Wali and his Baloch and Pakhtun lieutenants were jailed on treason charges and left to rot in the Hyderabad prison. The aftermath of this unjust military action has continued to haunt politics in Pakistan, particularly in Balochistan and NWFP.

Prior to the military operation, Wali Khan and his companions had assisted Bhutto in writing the 1973 Constitution, the document that our politicians could proudly claim as their biggest achievement. Without their support, the Constitution would have lacked legitimacy because Wali and his colleagues represented the smaller provinces. Their refusal to back the Constitution not long after East Pakistan’s separation would have dealt a severe blow to the shaky federation of Pakistan.

**Sheikh Mujibur Rahman was Wali Khan’s contemporary in Pakistan until the creation of Bangladesh. The latter had advocated Sheikh Mujib’s right to form the government after the spectacular Awami League victory in the 1970 general election. In fact, Wali Khan’s was one of the saner voices in those heady days. Both Wali Khan and Sheikh Mujib wanted greater provincial autonomy and this stance brought them into confrontation with the Punjab and the military. Theirs was a relationship of respect but it failed to blossom in view of the growing distrust that Bengalis had developed about all West Pakistanis. **

The Baloch Sardars and Abdul Samad Khan Achakzai and Mufti Mahmud had been companions and allies of Wali Khan at one time or another. Achakzai walked out on him when Wali Khan befriended Khair Bakhsh Marri, Ghous Bakhsh Bizenjo and Attaullah Mengal. He felt Wali Khan had squandered a chance to unite all Pakhtuns in NWFP, Balochistan and FATA into one big province that could be named Pakhtoonkhwa or Pakhtunistan. The bitterness of that split remains to this day and Samad Achakzai’s son Mahmood Khan Achakzai still stays clear of the ANP and continues to head his own group, PMAP. As for the Baloch Sardars, they have gone their own way and split further down the line into separate Baloch-centred groups. Mufti Mahmud’s son Maulana Fazlur Rahman and Wali Khan’s political heirs are now poles apart and those unaware of the past are surprised to hear that the JUI and ANP, or NAP as it was then called, were once allies.

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why where they traitors? just because they fought for their own peoples rights?

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so what are you saying that Muhajirs are to blame for the mess Pakistan has become? if Muhajirs were so great why did nt they manage to wipe out corruption and establish a new system that works? if your race is so great then why has it not made Pakstan a respected state?

by the way you did nt do anything for Pakhtuns…

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you are using 1 king to illustrate Pashtuns? it shows how narrow-minded you are! you have this 1 point that you can’t let go of. but i suppose for every 1 of ours who sold out im sure we can probably come up with a hundreds of yours. altaf hussain and the entire leadership of mqm are all sell outs.

my point was that im notinto bad mouthing using racial stereotypes. i think above the likes of you.

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Because they were Nehru's henchmen

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How is altaf hussain a sellout?

If you said egocentric then yes I do agree..

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I assume you are from the "people" who like to willingly become saudi wahabi pets producing the likes of gulbadin and taliban!

And Pakistan is a mess because of the total paindoo quota walas like you who got jobs just because they were "sons of the soil" !

And if you want prove of mouhajir success, look at the era pre-70s (before nationalization) and see how much Pakistan grew at that time (12% in the decade of sixties and equal to economies of hong kong and singapore!).

Had democracy been left to develop in Pakistan by these "aryan" people, Pakistan would be in a much stronger position today than getting bombed in waziristan! :)

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BECAUSE they take money from India......and gopd knows who else...

a sellout is a compliment...in fact he is responsible for MURDER, RAPE, LOOTIONG, BLACKMAIL, SEXUAL ABUSE OF ADULTS AND CHILDREN, and the list goes on....

a sell out is a compliment!