Wake up Pakistan!

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No preparation? Are you kidding me. They were showing the tanks being readied and rolled out the first day of the attack, and there were ominous announcements from some of the government officials that something interesting was about to unfold. I wonder if this was what they were talking about.

Secondly, I didn't know that you sit in the President's cabinet or military meetings that you would know exactly what planning was done or not done. Next time, take some notes for us, yeah?

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I totally agree with you. It really depends on your approach to the problem. You can either applaud the government when they actually do something right (not necessarily applauding them for missing other crimes), or you can criticize the government even when they are trying to do something right. Too many people criticize Musharraf and his government, despite the fact that Pakistan has had so many positive changes since his leadership.

I would love to see the army criminals and the minister criminals who have been committing murders, rapes, and abuses and getting away with it. Imran Khan was saying the other day that he now wishes he was not sitting in these meetings with these politicians, because the majority of them are responsible for murders, rapes, and chorian.

Now put yourself in a position where you can bring about a change. Lets say you crack down on these guys. You're going to be taking most of the Parliament to court. You already saw what happened when they challenged how that Chaudry fool was handling his position. The entire country went up in arms. The entire country is up in arms about Nawaz Sharif and BB being kicked out of the country even though they caused so many problems when they were running the country!!!

Now, seriously think what could possibly happen if you took all those ministers to court? Croquet ji here complains of lack of planning - I can guarantee you that such a mass challenge of political leadership would not go unquestioned and unbattled in Pakistan.

So, please, propose a better plan. How could you tactfully attack the situation without a backlash?

Keep in mind what is going on right now with the Big Wig Judge who is roaming around the country (free speech, right???) crying his dhookray about how he lost his post for nepotism and not dealing out justice in the country as should have been done. And mind you, educated lawyers are even supporting his crimes, saying his authority should not have been challenged.

So, one hand, you demand that chors in the government be challenged, and when they are, look what happens?

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dear little miss air head that statement was released by govt itself on the first day of this fabulous operation. in case if you ever touch a thing called paper.

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its interesting the 'buts' of mullah apologists here :)

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How can anyone take her serious. :D

sad bollywood medley!!!
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mullah' apologist? its about the kids man, wake up already. didnt i already say promise him the jewels if that gets him out and later do the justice. since we are not breaking in what else can any person suggest? but why arent we breaking in?

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and all the people that applaud mush are mostly either out of the country or are directly receving the goodies, thing is mushy is no better than MMA or Qazi but as some people put the filters on glasses a guy who speaks english and can roam around with two dogs must be a humanist. and pakistanis are accused of being prejudiced and silly about appearances! for every good thing that you mention this mush has done there are 10 bad things, just how he is better than BB and nawaz is beyond me. worse because he is a dictator, but you see people in third world countries have no right to express their resentment against a self imposed dictator. hum tharay jahil bacharay.

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i'm surprised none of the GS matoo brigade is here to defend there brother in arms. may be the GS mullah squad should go join him and finally have their dream of being a martyr and getting their 70 virgins, or in this case 70 little boys as they like,

wake up and smell the bullets,

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I am surprised to see your reply… very irresponsible behaviour as a mod… you keep showing the level of incompetency that you have but oh well… … last time, I learnt, this particular term was not allowed along with many other terms that are used to insult, attack, name calling others… and people were given warning on using this term.. I wonder if you will be held responsible for that … I am sure there must be justice system in placed here or may be people like you are always given a free hand…

anyway, coming back to your concern and query… any of us matoos mullah brigade (as you call us) do not find Ghazi brotheran action being aligned with the basic teachings if Islam…
I supported them when they raised their voice against the wrongs of the society but I never supported them when they took things in their hands… It was unislamic given that the rulers of the land they were doing all that were muslims and the constitution of the land takes it basis from the very law they were trying to implement… In such situation, a movement was to be started and I can assure you, it would have support of majority – had they done it legally…

Currently, we mullah matoos (as you call us) such as people like mufti-e-azam Pakistan Mufti Rafi Usmani, his brother and ex-cheif justice of Shariat court pakistan Justice mufti Taqi usmani, Scholars of prominent school of Binnori Town in Karachi, Dr. Israr Ahmed, Scholar of Athna Asha’ri and Fiqh Jafria are unified on the point that the steps and attitude taken by the two scholar brotheran is against the spirit and teachings of Islam based on various Quranic ayaahs and tradition of the prophet:saw:

It will be stupid to label all doctors bad if one gives you a wrong injection… or based on your logic may be all are bad… get over it…

Finally, the last bold part.. that was totally uncalled for.. and wrong interpretation of Quran .. many HINDU websites represent that interpretation and I see where you are coming from… some people even consider it insult of the Quran

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I did not mean you, so dont take it personally. Please go read the responses in this thread with an open mind and just see how some are positioning this, and its so similar to how some political opportunists like qazi are talking.

and in another thread people are now calling these ghazi guys US agents. Well I guess that would have been nice to note when the clowns were forcing shariah..but at that time these revelations were not shared by our conspiracy theorist apologist types

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AQ, if some doctor deliberately gives bad injection or medicine, all other doctors will distance themselves from him and never speak in this support. This is not the case with our ulema and mullah friends as can be witnessed from their statements on TV. Even if some of them say they don't agree with the Ghazi's way, majority of them say he should not be punished. What kind of a joke is this?

Where is the pressure from these MMA mullahs on Ghazi to surrender? All they do is keep parroting his version of events on TV. These dheela dhala attitude is not working in mullahs favour.

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I think a big challenge is that real scholars and ulema do not get the type of airplay that people like qazi, fazl and sami get. If you read their responses and statements, you may be shocked , that is what just gets people ticked off.

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it's also interesting that people are always up in arms and ready to look for political figures who do politics in the name of Islam and ignore the actual scholars' point of view even if aired on the media... sad but true...

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the actual scholasr views also seem to be ignored by these politico-fascists using religion (aka qazi, fazl and sami)

it is sad but true, but its not just an issue of reception, it does not get coverage either, look at all of our news channels, look at all of our papers, statements from real scholars are a small blip, overshadowed by the latest mental fart of qazi and family..now that his wife and daughter and pet antelope are also speaking on this topic.

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and all the people that applaud mush are mostly either out of the country or are directly receving the goodies,

Don't be so cynical. Many Pakistanis abroad actually worked hard to make themselves to where they are - educated and independent thinkers. No Musharraf money educated me, my friend, nor put food on my table.

thing is mushy is no better than MMA or Qazi but as some people put the filters on glasses a guy who speaks english and can roam around with two dogs must be a humanist.

I don't think this man roams around. Again, aap un ki personal secretary hain? From the media coverage, it seems like he's pretty active in government work.

and pakistanis are accused of being prejudiced and silly about appearances!

Apparently, you are. Koi suit-boot pehnle, and he's a friggin traitor.

for every good thing that you mention this mush has done there are 10 bad things,

Like what? And I'll keep you to your word. I really want to see a long list. And things that are absolutely undebatable. Killing off a rebel/national traitor in NWFP does not constitute as a bad thing.

just how he is better than BB and nawaz is beyond me.

Nawaz Sharif's horses ate better than the average Pakistani, which was all over the media after he asked the country to make saccrifices on their diets if need be after the nuclear testing was complete. He also emptied everyone's bank accounts and took off with the dollars. People lost so much wealth after he left. Just today he was criticizing Musharraf for targeting political leaders, like this Bugti guy who was out to create trouble for the nation anyway. Yet, does anyone remember that it was Nawaz Sharif who actually targeted to kill off Musharraf, and somehow (I still don't know how he did it), he survived that assasination attempt?

BB's susral looted the country to bits. Almost made me think that maybe the hadith about women not running a country might be true, after the mess she made. She had no clue how to deal with an economy, and the mass devaluations that happened under her leadership left the country in shattered pieces.

The only good thing I ever read about that she did was she got immediate treatment for a victim of acid burns, when there was no one willing to help out that woman. I expect there to be some narmi in her heart for other women in Pakistan suffering, so I'll give her credit for that one.

Ah, right, but Musharraf managed to take care of the nasty Hudood Laws that have been plaguing the country under the guise of Islamic Laws (which Mullahs fought figourously to keep - the idea that a rape victim needs to bring forth 4 witnesses of her crime - how atrocious!!! - otherwise she risks getting a death punishment for adultery), he made a mandatory space for women in Parliament (what is it - 30 percent of the seats, I think?), made media much more open so that issues like women's issues could be discussed more openly, etc etc.

There's still a lot more to do. You wanna get off your duff and help?

worse because he is a dictator, but you see people in third world countries have no right to express their resentment against a self imposed dictator. hum tharay jahil bacharay.

I don't know what news you watch, but Musharraf has allowed full freedom to the press, which is the same press that has been criticizing him and presenting speakers to criticize him in this crisis. So...you want to express your resentments? By all means, call on any one of the current talk shows, and the world can hear your hatred for the current political leadership. I may not agree with you, but you have the right to be heard, and Ma'ashallah, Musharraf has been able to give you that right. :)

When you do call into one of those shows, do give me a shout out!

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or perhaps not, time is wasted enough with you already.

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edited.

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thats the thing, qazi is not an alim, nor is fazal yet they take the islamic translators job.

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croquet, those were very well put questions ... I was looking for the answers... too bad you edited your posts...

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Please have some respect, Maulana Fazrul Rahman is a senior scholar and he studied in Madrassashs, but if you disagree with his political views, thats different.

I agree Qazi Hussain Ahmed is not a scholar.