Wahhabism

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(1) Why do Saudi Wahabis don’t allow simple chores such as driving a car to women?

Lets look at it in the light of logic & reasoning. Dubai follows the Islamic decisions made by Saudi, eg. start of the Hajj/Ramadhan month is one of them. Now if you were to ever visit Dubai, I'll take u on a trip in Dubai & show u the habits of these car driving females. Not all of them are wrong, this would be stereotyping all of them, but a majority of them are infidels. They dont want the saudi women to drive coz of a simple reason, they know that they will have a major problem on their hands with thier women. Their women are too hot to handle, get it they are just too hot. If today they lift the mandatory abaya restriction, you will be surprised to see the clothes these women would start wearing, not that it comes as a surprise to me, coz I've already seen what they do, once they immediately land in Dubai.

(2) Why black covering mandatory?

This is mandatory from Islam, they are just implementing it, if u dont like it then leave. In Peshawar the shuttle cock is not mandatory, yet it has become a norm. In Iran, the burqah is mandatory too. Its simple logic. They are trying to prevent fitnah from escalting to the next level. Women are the biggest fitnah, so what they have done by imposing abaya on all of them is commendable achievement. They are just preventing a flood waiting to happen, & thanks to the western media's interference, we might even see them take their abayas off in a few years time.

(3) Why disallowing any worship places to be built in Saudi Arabia other than state sanctioned Wahabi mosques. This includes building of Shia mosques, Christian Churches, Hindu Temples, etc.

This is because, Islam started from here, when we dont want non Muslims here, we dont want them here. There are 209 other countries where you can build them. Dubai is a liberal state, with bars & discos, on ur left & masjids & churches on ur right. Choose ur way, stay there, & continue treading. The government is wahabi & they dont impose their authority on the mixed population living here. Christians going to churches are free to carry their religious practices & pretty soon we might even see some jewish settlement here too. So why do non muslims want to live in saudi...ahhhhhhhh the fresh smell of sand or the camels dump in the morning...I guess NOT. Its the shine & magic of the black gold that lures them to this country. Simple.

*Now I see what you trying to say, however, Wahabi school is a puritanical ideology and believe in the original message of Islam, but the problem the rest of the world has with them is that they try to force it on others. They are free to follow the laws and rules for themselves and no will have an issue with that, but when they tell others what to do, that’s where the conflict arises. *

Most Wahabis/Salafis are peace loving, but a very vocal and fairly influential bunch of them are retards and bigots of the first degree

I agree some of them are retards, but what they have done to control the spread of fahashi in Saudi at least is commendable. Although I dislike most of them, but what they have done for the preservation of Islamic values in Makkah & Madina is commendable.

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I have been to/lived in a bunch of Islamic countries - from Turkey to Indonesia including some Gulf Arab nations. Nowhere did I notice the type of oppression of the type practiced in Saudi land.

I don't care and have no right to tell Wahhabi Saudis how to practice their faith. But I criticize them because they shove it down non-Wahhabis throats and go around the World using their oil money to spread hatred and intolerance. A dear friend of mine is a Bengali Indian Muslim from rural Bengal close to the Bangladesh border. Since the 1990s, Saudi Wahhabis have taken over all local Mosques by spreading money. My friend was constantly harangued and threatened with violence if he visits the local masjid in his village because he married a White Christian woman and now is reluctant to go back home ever. The Wahhabis simply bought over the place.

No one cares what Wahhabis do to their own, as long as they don't force others to do what you do by using violence and intimidation.

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malik said it all..women are the biggest fitnah

just last night i was listening to a majlis online by Mirza Mohummad Ather and he was talking about women in Islam…he said west say women are opressed in Islam…but please don’t blame Islam, blame the society..he is right

here is the link to the majlis..its pretty interesting
Azadari - Maulana Mirza Muhammed Ather? listen to the majlis from feb 15

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And you are heading where with your generalizations oh great sir?

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Wahabism......best thing since slice bread......

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Interesting thread. We have a mosque close to our house, and its a Wahabi mosque, and some orgnization in Saudia is helping the mosque financially. I did sometimes go there for prayers considering it was right next to my house, but there wasnt really any difference b/w that mosque and any other mosques, except that the molvi sahib was a bit vocal about Shia's doing biddah and all, but this doesnt imply that they were terrorists or anything, they were just expressing their selves with words in their mosques. Now sometimes emotions do run high and there was an Imam-Bargah right infront of that mosque, and occasionally some riots did take place (both parties being equally responsible), but again that has nothing to do with them being terrorists or anything. I dont know about Saudi Wahabis, but the Wahabis in Pakistan have nothing to do with this broad generalization alot of people make about all Wahabis carrying out sectarian violence in Pak. They are merely doing what they are supposed to and giving Islamic education to their talib-e-ilams (students).

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Kaleem what is 'bidah'?
Mal1k Interesting observation. Reminded me of witch hunts/burning, stadium killings etc. I just dont get repressing someone, you know sex is a biological need someone wants to get laid more power to them, who are we to prohibit someone from a need. I like Islam cause of 4 Wives and 72 virgins, but I wouldn't repress them if they want to shop and talk and report back to UTD over a PM/email no problem.

Muslim_Queen: Islam has a few harsh things for women (you know what I am talking about) plus you have this strict school of wahabi. What are your views about 'em. Do you take it at face value or do you have some interpretion that makes sense to you.

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Innovation.

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Talwar shaib, broad generalization do not help any one. I took exception to you calling all Wahabis terrorists because you do not understand what wahabisim is all about. Saudi kings can call themselves wahabi all they want, but they are not the representative of this school of thought. We do not need to go into details of corruption and links to terrorists of saudi king, every one knows about it. Next time, refrain from generalizing or people will equate you to killers in Gujrat and piss drinking hindu. I am sure you will not appreciate that.

Peace my brother

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Kaleem, when you say "broad generalizations do not help any one" does that exclude those who are helped when generalizing the Jews? And I'd still like to know your take on Jerry Falwell or Billy Graham. Would I be justifed in defending them against Muslims who criticize them for intolerance?

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Seminole, I think one has to look at each case individually. Do you have a specific "statement" by the esteemed religious leaders in mind that you want to talk about?

If a Muslim says to hate or kill all kaffirs/infidels....that is wrong and moronic. Same principle applies to Graham and Flawell.

I dont even know if Saudi kings call themselves Wahabi...if they do, they are misrepresenting and creating confusion in the minds of all people around the world. I gave you what my definition for a wahabi is, you tell me, does that equal to terrorist or fundamentalist?

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I'm a wahabbi!

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I'm being called Wahabi every F'ing single day and it's not even funny! I don't think it pisses me off though. I just don't like being called a sunni or any other sect and people think those who don't believe in sects are actually Wahabi, which is highly pathetic!

Just to let all of you know how and why it started...here's a small piece of history for you:

*Wahhabi is a termed after a person whose name was: Muhammad ibn Abdul-Wahhab. He, along with King Abdulaziz’s revolution and kingdom establishment, took the position of the main Islamic scholar of the kingdom. He brought a lot of changes and was very critical of any acts that would lead to shirk (association with Allah, like making duaa to graves…etc.).

Since he was very critical; he also, with the help of the government, tried stopping all ways that would lead to people committing shirk; so he was extremely cautious of everything. This led to a lot of groups, specially the ones affected by the “Sufi” methodology disliking him, and rumors spread all over about this strict scholar and the kingdom’s support everyone knew, cuz people came for Hajj).

Britain at the time was trying to keep hold of its colonies, specially where Muslims resided.
They utilized the discontentment of some about the scholar in Saudi Arabia, and spread rumors about him and they are the ones who coined the term: “Wahhabi’s”.

Muslims in the indo-pakistan subcontinent bought into it and it has ever since created a lot
of problems. It is not a sect, just a different understanding of the same things, though more cautious and picky.*

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bibi larayi ek hindu aur ek christian say ho rahi hei, ye shiyon pe humley kyu?

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Wahabism was being discussed somewhere so that's why I said it all.

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Thank u Destinee

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Kaleem, I too have been concerned for a while now, that blaming something called Wahhabism has become a simple excuse for lot of evil. This excuse is used by muslims and non-muslims. I don't know anything about wahhabism. If you know, tell me what the difference between a muslim and wahhabi is (preferably without using non-english words), where all do they hail from, how many of them are there etc.

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Well some mod/member couldn't hack it so let me ask the bathing question in wahabism. What is the proper way of washing your private parts in wahabism/talibanism. I am a muslim of some ahmadi descent and no one taught me the right way or informed me that I was suppose to wash my private parts that way.

This was on TV guys. Movie was Osama, about a little girl in afghanistan. Watch It.
It is about a girl that was named Osama and dressed up as a boy in Afghanistan under taliban so she could provide food. She wsa taken to a madrassah, where the mullahs found out she was a girl and her sentence wsa that she'd be stoned to death or married to a mullah. The movie is made by afghanis and is in Pushto/farsi. Based on true events. It was sad to see a thirteen yr old girl getting raped/married to a 50 yr old mullah sahib.
Washing you private parts was dicussed in detail with practicals or hands on lab.

It's a must see for the mullah / wahabi backers. Lets watch this and then we can discuss moderate Islam.

MODS Please donot delete this I am serious. PM if you want to discuss, i'll be more than happy to call you and discuss overphone as well.

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Dont wanna call people who follow the strict orthodox Islam, i.e. Quran and Sunnah as Wahabis, but since the talk is on..i will say Wahabis believe strictly in Quraan and Sunnah. Now according to Quraan and Sunnah…you are NOT ALLOWED TO call anyone, who reads the kalima and believes in it, a kaafir. I abide by that law, and most of the people i know who follow the true orthodox way of Islam…do abide by that law.

So in reality no true muslim would call the shias kaafirs…

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