(*)Wahhabies!! They are like a virus between Muslims! Answers to your questions

You did not answer my questions:

Show me where does Allah call Mohammad with "ya Mohammad" or where does Sabaha call Mohammad with "ya Mohammad?????"

Ya Mohammad is like saying "OO Mohammad" would you call your father with his nam[pretending your fathers name is khalid] saying: "O Khalid???

Even the closest sahabah refer to Mohammad as "Prophet of Allah" - Don't tell me what I know and what I do not know.

How do you intend to respect Mohammad, when you go on his grave asking him for help. WHen Mohammad said you should always ask ALLAH for help, we should always CALL ONTO ALLAH ONLY!!!

Anyway, your deeds for you and my deeds for my self. I try my best to follow what is in quran and what is in Sunnah(example of prophet) I avoid making certain things part of religion which Mohammad did not.

You wanna go and follow your forefathers, fine with me. Good luck. May Allah show us all the right path of true Islam!!! Ameen.

Take it easy.


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very true

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true picture of wahabi fitna eating our nation like deemak!

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Brother, I will only say about wahhabies that they have an afflicition and it is that they don’t look broadly at things and very narrow minded. Why? well because they believe that their leaders Ibn Taymiah and Muhammad bin ^abdillah were the saviours of Islam without them Islam would have ended!!.. But the fact was that without the protectors of our ^aqeedah by refuting them and pushing them back, they would have been worse.

I heard a scholar, one of the bigest scholar I’ve ever known say that they are a very few sect.. not more than a million.. but the people of the truth are in hundreds of millions because they conducted their belifs from As-Salaf not the wahhabies who claim to be Salafi..

Watcher, don’t worry I have a big reply to your question, but until than, you will have 2 choices:

  • Believe in the truth, in the Hadiths and sayings of Sahabah

  • Or stay stuborn and have the awful ending. Remember, you are accountable for yourself.

I still want a declaration from you about the post they I posted which has some of the beliefs of the wahhabies taken from their own books with the references that you thought never existed!! I will keep waiting until you tell us what your point of view is as a protector for Islamic Creed as you claim. Tell me on every point, because I posted that to you!! So, I’m still waithing

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| | | | | | | | | La Hawla Wala Quwwata Illa billah | | || | | | | | | | | | | | |

Brothers and Sisters, this is a big reply to reveal the lies and secrets of Al Wahhabiah, it’s totally disturbing and uncomfortable to read the what wahhabies say from Kufur, but the reason I wrote this article, is because out of the whole GupShup forums, only 2 people came to defend Al Wahhabiah. And they insisted on me putting references about The wahhabies’ thoughts and deviated beliefs.This might be disturbing to some(it is to me), but I had to face these guys and tell them who they are talking about, and could not leave people talking about Islam things never mentioned in Islam. I would rather be talking about Islamic information to help in keeping our love for each other But La Hawla wala Quwwata Illa Billah.

After reading this, if you, who requested this, are a wahhaby or a defender and you don’t repent from the ^aqidah that you have, than do not read any of my posts after that or the posts of the rest of the brothers as we saw you arguing over and over.. As Pristine said in other post, the habit of Wahhabies is to lie, deny that they are wahhabies, argue, claim Sunnah and love to the Prophet and sahabah..

You asked for References?.. I can get as much as you want but than I would be wasting time talking about the wahhaby beliefs and would waste time on re-reading their books, and than waste time arguing if you are not willing to accept the truth.

I will bring more references to you just to let you know that we are mentioning this for the sake of the security of Muslims as a whole in ^aqeedah and faith.

Look how Wahhabies and jews are related to beliefs.

The Jews say in their book “safar Youhanna al Is-hah” (4) number (9) jews say: “and praise to the one who is sitting on his throne al Haiyy..” So they believe Allah is in the sky sitting wal ^iyathoubillah.

Wahhabies say in their book “Majmoo^ Al Fatawah” 4th book, p/374 for ibn taymiah and he is their imam as they call him the master of Islam!! they say: “Allah seats Muhammad the on the chair with Him”!!! Which is clear Kufur to say such. That is not Islam.

Jews say in the same book number 26-27: “God said, we will make human on our look and format”.. Look like God!!

Wahhabies say in the book called “Ahl Al Iman fi khalq adam”.. Authored by Hamood bin ^abdillah at-Tuwayjariyy.. Page 40: Wahhabies say: “Allah created humans looking like him (^ala Surati wajhihi)” A^outhubillah!! Allah said in Al Qur’an: [Nothing resembles Allah]..

Jews say in the same book page 4: “the lord is the father living in the sky”

Wahhabiah say in the book called “Rad al-Darmy ^ala bash-shar Al Mircy” and it is one of the their references p/82: Wahhaby author says: “Yes, He (Allah) is on his throne on top of the creations on the highest place”!! I seek refuge by Allah. Imam ^aliy said: “Allah existed and there was no place and now he exists as he was” that is without a place because Allah does not need the place. Allah does not need any of his creations. He exists without place does not look like any of his creations. Although some translated the Qur’an in some verses alleging their meanings wrongfully saying that Allah sits on the throne, that’s impossible, because Allah existed before the throne and he was without any place.

This is a very few of what Al Wahhabiya say.

Al-Albaniyy (Big leader of the wahhabies, died recently Al Hamdulillah) says: it’s Kufur for the Palestinians to stay in Palestine"!! Look at Al-Liwa’ Newspaper date 7/7/93 and book: “Fatawi Al Albaniy” p/18… Why did he say that? Ask them.

Also Al wahhabiah say that the believers other than them(!) are Kuffar and they are worthy of being slayed and their property and women and children are halal to be taken even though they praise the people of Shirk and the jews and the Mushriks of Quraysh who faught the Prophet Sallallahu ^alayhi wassallam and opposed him such as Abi Lahb and Abi Jahl, for, they are believers to wahhabies and they claim that they are most pious and sincere to Allah more than the ones who make tawassul and tabarruk to the Awliya’. Not only they had that belief, but they also wrote it and put in a book called “How do we understand Tawheed” Authored by Ahmad Bashmeel and it was distributed in Ridad year 1987.

And they declared blasphemy to the leaders of the four Madahib (As-Shafi^iy, Abu Hanifah, Malik and Ahmad bin Hanmbal) and to the followers of the four Madhahib. Yes they had the guts to say such ugly things. Look in their book “Ad-Deen Al Khalis” p/140 printed in Beirut/Lebanon.!!! Allahu-Akbar. Why? Ask them. Check the reference.

Want more? I don’t, but I shall give you more until you know who wahhabies are.
Al Wahhabiah say that lady eve is Kafirah!! And so they said that all humans are Children of Zina – Adultery!!! look into the same book p/160 Al wahhabiah say: “the truth that Shirk started from Lady eve (Hawwa’ wife of Prophet Adam).. I can not say more!!.

To them if you say “Astaghfirullah” (O Allah Forgive me) is haram!! Look at Magazine “Al Aman issue# 70 year 1980 p/20.!!

And they even went ahead and made takfeer (Blasphemed) a sahabiyy, a companion of the Prophet Aby Ayouub Al Ansaraiyy because he put his face on the grave Prophet Muhammad because he was visiting the grave of the Prophet excitedly to the Prophet. And that wahhabiy who made that takfeer teaches in Jordan. A man once told him why:? Why do you do that?! Al Wahhabiy said: “even if Muhammad (He means Prophet Muhammad the son of ^Abdullah) did that than the Prophet Blasphemed”!!! Allahu-Akbar, Allahu-Akbar, Allahu-Akbar. Astaghfiruka Rabiyy wa Atoobu Ilayk. A^outhu Billah.

And they say about Al Asha^irah and Al Maturidiayh (Whom are the Top Scholars of Ahlus-Sunnah) they say: “They are Kuffar.. “…!

If you want to know the truth about Muhammad bin ^abdilwahhab and his people, just read what his father and his brother and the people of his country say about him. His father was a true scholar as well as his brother and his father used to say “this child (about Muhammad bin ^abdilwahhab) will be a great danger to Muslims”..

And His brother Sheikh Sulaiman Bin ^abdilwahhab, may Allah have mercy on them because they were great scholars, Sheikh Sulaiman made a book called “ AL Sawa^iq Al Illahiyyah to refute the wahhabiayh” and in it he said to his brother and his followers: “However you have taken things by your own opinion and thoughts and you have opposed the Ijma^ and declared all of the Ummah of Prophet Muhammad as Kuffar”. Look into that book page 17. They blaspheme everyone who opposes them and they try to kill him. And that’s because of the orders that Muhammad bin Abdilwahhab got from his teacher Hempher the British spy!!.

As Hempher mentions in page 77 that the first bill between the treaties that happened between him and Muhammad bin ^abdilwahhab is: “To Blaspheme all Muslims, and to bid killing them and to take their money and to commit whatever unlawful with their women and to sell them..” Second bill: “to destroy Al Ka^bah claiming that it’s from the signs of the Idols…” Read the Book: “Hempher the British spy”..

And to prove that they are Wahhabies and that the name fits them is what was mentioned in a book they wrote by the name “Muhamad Bin ^abdilwahhab, his Salafi creed” .. it says: “when he met with the wahhabies in Makkah”.. and he says: “but the Wahhaby belief..” and: “They use Islam as a religion on the Wahhaby creed..”..

Another leader named Muhammad bin jameel, a wahhabiy lecturer in our holy Makkah says: “Wahhabiy from Wahhab, and it’s from the names of Allah..” and there he lied because wahhabiy from Muhammad bin Abdilwahhab the deviator.. Also they named a book called “The wahhabiy movement”

So, Al wahhabiyah are the enemies of Muslims and the lovers of the jews and blasphermers. I can not say more.

This is disgusting to say that these people claim that they are salafi and love Prophet Muhammad. It hurts the tongue to say what the wahhabies say.. If you are going to say no or so.. read the references.. Now, what I excpect from you (whoever believes in these Kufur beliefs), is to repent for the sake of Allah by saying the Shadah with the intention of embracing Islam because the Muslim scholars mentioned that whomever has a belief or saying or commited an action that opposes Islam he must repent by embracing Islam.

Brothers/Sisters, I hope this will clarify to wahhabies that Muslims are not the same as Jews. And that we believe in Allah as he mentioned in Al Qur’an the only one who deserves to be worshiped and that Allah does not resemble any of his creations. Allah exists without a place, does not need any of the creations, he creates the good and the evil, but ordered us to avoid the evil. And that Muslims worldwide love Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu ^alayhi wassallam, the seal of Prophets and messengers, the best of Allah’s creations, and that we go and visit the Prophet in the grave and yes we do ask Allah blessings from by the virtue of Prophet Muhammad and the ‘Awliya’, and no, we do not ask Prophet Muhammad nor ‘Awliya’ to do this and that for us because they are only humans but with high very high rank. I hope that will also tell the wahhabies, that Muslims celebrate the Birth of Prophet Muhammad worldwide for the endowment that Allah endowed onto us by bringing Prophet Muhammad to the world and guiding us to the light of Islam. We do not worship Muhammad nor scholars and whoever does that is not Muslim. We love prophet Muhammad because he is our leader and role model.. Whom do we love than? Abdilwahhab? Ibn Taymiah? Ibn Baz? Al-Albany? Al-Qaeadawi? The Jews? No, not even in their dreams.

Brothers/Sisters I hope that this will make an effect on the ones who oppose us, Muslims.
Allahum-Aghfir lana warhamna. O Allah we ask you to grant us Paradise by the virtue of the Prophet and the ‘Awliya’ and saleheen, and to unite us under the banner of Prophet Muhammad. Ameen.


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[This message has been edited by Ahmad G (edited November 28, 2000).]

agreed brother ahmed. very true,

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Ahmad G, I have a news for you, most of your stuff is fabricated and not authentic. Its lies created to make the so-called according to you wahabis look bad. Sorry friend, I do not like people who lie to prove their points.

Can you bring me one aya from quran, in which allah referes to Mohammad with “ya Mohammad,” I can bring you tons of them, but Allah is refering to other prophets…Can you bring me one hadiths, in which Sabaha have called MOhammad with “ya Mohammad?”

Would you call your father with “ya?”
You can’t even answer this YET you practice it!!!

<Ya Mohammad is like saying “OO Mohammad” would you call your father with his nam[pretending your fathers name is khalid] saying: "O Khalid???

Even the closest sahabah refer to Mohammad as “Prophet of Allah” - Don’t tell me what I know and what I do not know. >

I am familiar with bukhari books and Muslim hadiths books, I have read quran. And that is what I follow. If you wanna waste your time creating lies about someone else of you have no knowledge of, than so be it. Remember your deeds are for you and my deeds are for my self. Allah will judge between us.

Another news for you, you did not answer my question, but “gool-mool” kar ke jaan churaah li.

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One more news for you: You can act all innocent and presenter of the true thing, deep inside you know what your doing.

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PS: CoolGuy, stop agreeing with your self.

Take it easy.


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Well, looks like you do not like the scandel!! That’s the habit of wahhabies, once they are prevailed to people, they start to lie and fabricate!. You are the one who’s lying and may Allah be my wittness, and you know when you swear like that what it means, that everything I wrote is brought from the books of the wahhabies and I wish that they do not believe is such things indeed I do. But they do believe in them and they did say them and that’s a small part of what they say and pervert. I have put the referneces to you, what book and what page as you kept asking for, and now when you are shocked you are saying: "o, no, it’s not true

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Enough with your fabrications, you think you are the first wahhaby we have met!? huh, I’m expierienced with you people, the problem is that you sitll deny your identity and that you say what you say!!.. Why can’t you just be Sunni not wahhaby no nothing why can’t you be from Ahlus-Sunnah wal Jama^ah? Prophet Muhammad said that his nation will split into 73 sects and wahhabies is a sect one of them.!

Look, I said I have an answer to every question, and yes I do have prooves that sahabah said ya Muhammad. But I will not change topics when you need to escape!! admit to everyone of who you are and that you are defending the wahhabies because you are one of them. Admit that you did not read the references that I have gave you. Look, Allah is your Hasseeb, you are accountable on the day of judgment.

I will move on considering that you have lost in afformentioned points and that you have denied the facts that were seen by the eye.

And now I will answer your request to inform you and to bring you out of your isolation and show you haw much your information is very limited and nullified.
But I will only discuss one issue at a time and by that we will find out which points are true and not, because I don’t like jumping around!!. And I will only speak if you are willing to accept the truth I’m not here to argue and no I don’t hate you I just hate people who allege things to Islam because their lack of knowledge!.

I will have a special post abou that under the name: “To those who oppose, It is Permissible to say Ya Muhammad as for what Sahabah did” so others can read it and know that they have prooves and referneces for what they believe in. Knowing that you have not proven your innocence nor your prooved your facts and that you lost in the afformentioned.


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true brother G Ahmed

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watcher kiddo,
i am not agreeing with myself kiddo. Brother Ahmed G is a liberal sunni who can think intellectually and with an open mind (not a wahabi like you), thats why he is unwrapping the bitter realities and truth about wahabis. it hurts you i know. Read his posts carefully, because his beliefs and language clearly indicates he is ahle sunnah but fortunately a very nice and learned sunni, unlike you wahbis!


Hum husseini hain dunya mein phailay huay!

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http://al-islam.org/peshawar/toc.html
http://www.ezsoftech.com/islamic/Muharram.html
http://www.al-islam.org/short/Karbala.htm
http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/chapter2/6.html
http://www.al-shia.com/html/eng/index.htm

Amazing shias and bid'atis (barelvis) both are united against Haq.

Hey Admin and Moderator: How come coolguy can have links in his signature, but when I had some you asked me to remove them? Hmmmm,

Mansoor, they are blind and deaf. Its good to see someone with like your self with ability to look at things with rational.

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watcher did u even bother to click on those links? these sites are not anti sunni..these are just shia sites and about shia beliefs..ur links had anti shia sites..baba kuch samajh ayee

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sheeraz dear,
yeh wahabi har jaga shikast khatey ja rahey hein. let them be more jealous. i like it

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ahle sunnah brothers are also aware of this wahabi fitna and ahle sunnah also know the facts of karbala, thats why these wahabis are soscared to death

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Hum husseini hain dunya mein phailay huay!

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truth hurts, specially if its bitter. It hurts these wahabis when we shias and ahle sunnah (sunnis) talk about tradegy of karbala and try to unwrap the filth of their yazid father’s characteristics.

Another surprising fact is that Banu Umayya (yazid’s tribe) had most of its followers in Najad. Najad is the main place of wahabis these days, what a coincedence

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Brother Ahmed G is a liberal sunni who can think intellectually and with an open mind (not a wahabi like you), thats why he is unwrapping the bitter realities and truth about wahabis. <<<<

at one hand shias like urself praise khumeni and other die hard muslims and on the other want to see more liberal sunnies etc. which makes me doubt ur sincerity towards sunni muslims.

ahmed you are doing an excellent job in making up stories about the wahabies but for the zilliont time none of the stuff you claim about wahabies is followed ANYWHERE in the wahabi circles. so keep making up stories and misguiding people.

a sunni muslim who does not follow the shirk and bidaats of grave worshipping milaads taveez ganda etc. is but a wahabi muslim. the distinction is needed so that sunni muslims of subcontinent can be reminded of it.

all of your b.s becomes irrelevant. cos you dont even understand why ahl-e-wahab insisted on cleaning up sunni version of islam followed in the subcontinent. u refuse to discuss the core issues where sunnies and wahabies differ and that is "shirk" and its definition. u chicken out everytime someone brings up grave worshipping which is unfortunately common throughout rural and urban Pakistan. Same holds true for shias who commit shirk by asking for help from Hazrat Ali by saying "ya ali madad" and other ignorant remarks. To counter the core issues you guys keep bringing up MADE UP stuff that no ahl-e-wahab here agrees in the first place. So why dont you discuss the beleifs wahabies agree and beleive in rather than shooting baseless acquisitions.

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blah blah blah. same old stuff mundaya , bring something new buddy.

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shias and sunnis(ahle sunnah wal jamaat) are united and will remain united against Haq Nawaz Jhangvi (Lashkare Jhangvi/ Sipah Sahaba)

Insha-Allah

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We sunnis and shias built this countries and you wahbis from deoband opposed even the creation of pakistan (Mufti Mehmood father of fazlurrehman was against creation of Pakistan) and now when the country is there, these wahabis are there to play with our feelings and posing to be the champions of Islam. What a hypocrat nation these wahabis are. Astaghfirallah!


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Fear Allah!.


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[This message has been edited by Ahmad G (edited November 29, 2000).]

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Originally posted by Ahmad G:
**Cool Guy Thank for your comments, but I hope that you are not gaining emotional hatred to anyone because that's not my intention.

Watcher and friend, be prepared the post will be up very soon everyone look for it:
"To those who oppose, It is Permissible to say Ya Muhammad as for what Sahabah did".

No offence, but what I said is coming out of my heart, Cool Guy yes truth hurts for them look at how they reply. Before, Mr watcher was saying Sunnah Sunnah Only Sunnah and now when I brought it to him he saying no, wahhabism only wahhanism as him and his freind clearly said: ".. Wahhaby Muslim"

I tell him and his friend (if so) read the quote below. And I tell them:

  • Wahabies say we: are Wahhaby Muslims,
  • Nufat At-Tawassul say we: are Nufat at-Tawassul Muslims,
  • Salafy-Claimers say we: are we are salafi Muslims,
  • Ahmadies (Qadianies) say we: are Ahmady Muslims,
  • Isma^ilies say: we are Isma^ily Muslims,
  • Baha'ies say: we are Baha'y Muslims,
  • Mu^tazilah Say: we are Mu^tazily Muslims,
  • Mushabiha Say: we are Mushabiha Muslims,
  • Qadaris say: we are Qadary Muslims,
  • Jahamies say we: are Jahamy Muslims,
  • ^Alawies say we: are we are ^alawi Muslims,
  • Durooz say we: are Durzy Muslims,

- Dahries say: we are dahry Muslims,

  • ...

That leaves us wandering: Why did the Prophet say that hadith?!!

But we say: "We are Muslims". Following the Arabic Qur'an, not the translations that could be fabricated. Following the Affirmed and confirmed Ahadiths, not the alleged and belied Ahadiths. Following the true qualified scholars such as As-Sahi^y, Malik Al Imam AL Jaleel Abu Hanifah An-Nu^man, And Imam Ahmad, AlBukhary and Muslim, Al Ijma^ that can never be lied, not the fake scholars whom are there to collect money and reputations and to fabricate to people..

Think about that for a moment. Everyone, remember that you are accountable and you are going to be asked on the day of judgment, Fear Allah!.

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Any derogatory remark against any sect or religion doesnt make sense to me. Normally, derogation of opponents is a tactic used by people who cannot prove their own point, and hence, their best shot is to put down the other party.

I dont care what sect or religion u belong to. Its certainly not upto the standard of Islam to deride anyone who calls him/herself a muslim. You or I dont have to authority to decide who a muslim is, and who isnt. We are not the ones who will conduct the accounting on the day of judgement.

If u think ur way of Islam is the right way, then more power to you. Go ahead and follow it with all ur might, and dont be worried about what someone else does in another corner of the world. All u can do is show them ur point, and accompany it with valid references.

This is a forum meant to share ur beliefs and ideas with each other, not to impose them. You couldnt impose them even if u tried. And if someone chooses not to submit to your belief, that doesnt give u the right to be verbally offensive with them. As far as I know, thats certainly not the Islamic way, and most of us here are Muslims. So why not start from the bottom and align our attitudes alongwith the teachings of Islam, and then work our way up?

Its just as easy for the moderator or the admin to put a lid on such threads, or members. But thats not what the aim of this forum is. Closing threads only helps killing the aim of this bulletin board. This bulletin board survives and flourishes thanks to the participation of all the members, but at the same time, its imperative for us all to use proper judgement and stay within the guidelines of the forum, that have been described, not once, not twice, but numerous times. So for the sake of this holy month, snap back and allow for a decent discussion rather than make it a personal vendetta against each other.