Ahmad G,
you call yourself a stufent of islam and this is your attitude?To dwell on hearsay and rumour and it's a petty issue to begin with.You have a thread about speaking without knowledge.what are you doing here?
And what better are you than those sunni/shia fighting people as you are indulging in the same sort of thing albiet targetting wahabis.Viruses among muslims have existed for a long time.Long before this wahabi thing.And they exist today in place where wahabis are not to be found.So please stop being so petty and instead of indulging in sectarian issues focus on islamic issues and knowledge.The real virus is such fighting among muslims.
Hope you understand and don't take it the wrong way.
Ahmad G, [Let me know if you differ on these points that Abdul Wahab said were wrong in the light of QURAN and sunnah]
SOme of the things that Abdul Wahab said were wrong in the light of QURAN and Sunnah:
- Making graves paved…Construction over graves, covering and decorating them etc.
- Going to graves and calling the dead to pray for them…
- Celebrating Milad-un-nabi…
- Making Dhikr and salawath before pronouncing the Adhan.
- Verbally pronouncing the Niyyah (intention) particularly before Takbir Tahrim.
The Shaikh quoted the hadith of Abu ‘l-Hayyaj al-Asadi whom Ali ibn Abi Talib asked:
“Should I not commission you with a duty with which the Messenger of Allah had commissioned me-to leave no statue but to crush it, and no grave raised above the surface of the ground but to level it down?”
Ahmed
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Originally posted by Ahmed:
Ahmad G,
And they exist today in place where wahabis are not to be found.So please stop being so petty and instead of indulging in sectarian issues focus on islamic issues and knowledge.The real virus is such fighting among muslims.
Hope you understand and don't take it the wrong way.
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La Hawla wala Quwwata Illa billah.
I did not post these articles because they came from nowhere!! And I do have references, if you don't know of them, than it's your duty to find that out!. I'm not here to argue. I'm here to have a good discussion with the brothers and sisters. And everyone seems to be ok! Alhamdulillah.
I said more than once, I have met these people several times! and whatever I wrote about them I found in them and in some of their books. I have been spending so much time talking about unity and unity, why would I just come from nowhere and alege things to a sect that is known since their existence which is about 300 years ago?!..
All I was doing, is clearing the lies. These people say it's shirk to visit the grave of the Prophet, just visiting him!! who should we visit than?! Muhammad bin ^abdilwahhab's grave?!! How did I know that? not only I read in their books! But my brother, Mother and sister in law went to Hajj last year, My brother is a sheikh, he went to the grave of the Prophet where there was 10's of people waiting, he stood there and said: "Assalamu ^alaykum Ya Rasoolallah" and than made Du^a', Allahum-Ghfirr lee warr-Hamnii wa^foo ^anni Bijah Sayidina Muhammad, Allah irzuqnee shafa^atahoo. A wahhabi came to him and hit him with a little hay rug they cary and told him: "You are a Mushrik, stop the shirk"?! Allahu-Akbar.
I don't care of what name it is, even if sunni or Shi^y people say these things, that it is shirk to make Du^a' by the Prophet's grave by the virtue of the Prophet, He is not from the Muslims! If one said it's haram to recite al fatiha to the dead Muslims this is not form Islam. What is al Qur'an for?! these people say these things. I don't care if some deny it but if anyone says such things, He is not from Islam.
Hassbiallah wa Ni^mal wakeel. I'm not here to argue. Why can't we just learn the Islamic Knowledge from Al Qur'an and Hadith.
If one believes that he is a wahhabi, but does not believe in these Kufur issues and others, but just a have a name, than that's not OK. I have put a book that the Sheik of Al Haramayn wrote about al Wahhabia, he knows them better because they occured there, why don't you read it and see what they did. He did that because it's a must to warn people from the ones who disunite and inovate in Islam, as the Prophet warnned from the one who cheated in food.
Islam needs the unity. In order to do that we must arm ourselves by Islamic Knowledge and we do have to warn about the innovaters just to protect Islam not for any personl desire.
I ask Allah to grant us the extreme love of the Prophet and to grant us Paradise.
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Ahmad G,
I am still waiting for you to answer my questions.
Also, no wahabis do not say its shirk to go to prophets grave. It is ok when you go there and say dua which Allah or prophet inscribed for us when we would go to graves.
It is shirk when you go to prophets grave and "CALL him with supplication "oh mohammad do this for us and do that for us" that is shirk and haram!
Man, you keep on talking about you have read their book, its in thieir book, yet you fail to provide any page # volume # or anything about those books?
Come on, we don't want your opinion mixed with "its in their books and "this hadiths says that" we don't want this.
We want those hadiths and verse and clames that you clame with references.
Other wise you are just greating another mess on gupshup with more damage to ummah than unity.
I believe sects are not part of Islam and even Allah probits them> Surah 30(ar-Rome) Verse # 32.
Take it easy.
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*Ahmad G,
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Brothers and Sisters, this is a big reply to reveal the lies and secrets of Al Wahhabiah, it’s totally disturbing and uncomfortable to read the what wahhabies say from Kufur, but the reason I wrote this article, is because out of the whole GupShup forums, only 2 people came to defend Al Wahhabiah. And they insisted on me putting references about The wahhabies’ thoughts and deviated beliefs.This might be disturbing to some(it is to me), but I had to face these guys and tell them who they are talking about, and could not leave people talking about Islam things never mentioned in Islam. I would rather be talking about Islamic information to help in keeping our love for each other But La Hawla wala Quwwata Illa Billah.
After reading this, if you, who requested this, are a wahhaby or a defender and you don’t repent from the ^aqidah that you have, than do not read any of my posts after that or the posts of the rest of the brothers as we saw you arguing over and over.. As Pristine said in other post, the habit of Wahhabies is to lie, deny that they are wahhabies, argue, claim Sunnah and love to the Prophet and sahabah..
You asked for References?.. I can get as much as you want but than I would be wasting time talking about the wahhaby beliefs and would waste time on re-reading their books, and than waste time arguing if you are not willing to accept the truth.
I will bring more references to you just to let you know that we are mentioning this for the sake of the security of Muslims as a whole in ^aqeedah and faith.
Look how Wahhabies and jews are related to beliefs.
The Jews say in their book "safar Youhanna al Is-hah" (4) number (9) jews say: "and praise to the one who is sitting on his throne al Haiyy.." So they believe Allah is in the sky sitting wal ^iyathoubillah.
Wahhabies say in their book "Majmoo^ Al Fatawah" 4th book, p/374 for ibn taymiah and he is their imam as they call him the master of Islam!! they say: "Allah seats Muhammad the on the chair with Him"!!! Which is clear Kufur to say such. That is not Islam.
Jews say in the same book number 26-27: "God said, we will make human on our look and format".. Look like God!!
Wahhabies say in the book called “Ahl Al Iman fi khalq adam”.. Authored by Hamood bin ^abdillah at-Tuwayjariyy.. Page 40: Wahhabies say: "Allah created humans looking like him (^ala Surati wajhihi)" A^outhubillah!! Allah said in Al Qur'an: [Nothing resembles Allah]..
Jews say in the same book page 4: "the lord is the father living in the sky"
Wahhabiah say in the book called "Rad al-Darmy ^ala bash-shar Al Mircy" and it is one of the their references p/82: Wahhaby author says: "Yes, He (Allah) is on his throne on top of the creations on the highest place"!! I seek refuge by Allah. Imam ^aliy said: "Allah existed and there was no place and now he exists as he was" that is without a place because Allah does not need the place. Allah does not need any of his creations. He exists without place does not look like any of his creations. Although some translated the Qur'an in some verses alleging their meanings wrongfully saying that Allah sits on the throne, that’s impossible, because Allah existed before the throne and he was without any place.
This is a very few of what Al Wahhabiya say.
Al-Albaniyy (Big leader of the wahhabies, died recently Al Hamdulillah) says: it's Kufur for the Palestinians to stay in Palestine"!! Look at Al-Liwa' Newspaper date 7/7/93 and book: "Fatawi Al Albaniy" p/18... Why did he say that? Ask them.
Also Al wahhabiah say that the believers other than them(!) are Kuffar and they are worthy of being slayed and their property and women and children are halal to be taken even though they praise the people of Shirk and the jews and the Mushriks of Quraysh who faught the Prophet Sallallahu ^alayhi wassallam and opposed him such as Abi Lahb and Abi Jahl, for, they are believers to wahhabies and they claim that they are most pious and sincere to Allah more than the ones who make tawassul and tabarruk to the Awliya’. Not only they had that belief, but they also wrote it and put in a book called “How do we understand Tawheed” Authored by Ahmad Bashmeel and it was distributed in Ridad year 1987.
And they declared blasphemy to the leaders of the four Madahib (As-Shafi^iy, Abu Hanifah, Malik and Ahmad bin Hanmbal) and to the followers of the four Madhahib. Yes they had the guts to say such ugly things. Look in their book “Ad-Deen Al Khalis” p/140 printed in Beirut/Lebanon.!!! Allahu-Akbar. Why? Ask them. Check the reference.
Want more? I don’t, but I shall give you more until you know who wahhabies are.
Al Wahhabiah say that lady eve is Kafirah!! And so they said that all humans are Children of Zina – Adultery!!! look into the same book p/160 Al wahhabiah say: “the truth that Shirk started from Lady eve (Hawwa’ wife of Prophet Adam).. I can not say more!!.
To them if you say “Astaghfirullah” (O Allah Forgive me) is haram!! Look at Magazine “Al Aman issue# 70 year 1980 p/20.!!
And they even went ahead and made takfeer (Blasphemed) a sahabiyy, a companion of the Prophet Aby Ayouub Al Ansaraiyy because he put his face on the grave Prophet Muhammad because he was visiting the grave of the Prophet excitedly to the Prophet. And that wahhabiy who made that takfeer teaches in Jordan. A man once told him why:? Why do you do that?! Al Wahhabiy said: “even if Muhammad (He means Prophet Muhammad the son of ^Abdullah) did that than the Prophet Blasphemed”!!!!! Allahu-Akbar, Allahu-Akbar, Allahu-Akbar. Astaghfiruka Rabiyy wa Atoobu Ilayk. A^outhu Billah.
And they say about Al Asha^irah and Al Maturidiayh (Whom are the Top Scholars of Ahlus-Sunnah) they say: “They are Kuffar.. “…!
If you want to know the truth about Muhammad bin ^abdilwahhab and his people, just read what his father and his brother and the people of his country say about him. His father was a true scholar as well as his brother and his father used to say “this child (about Muhammad bin ^abdilwahhab) will be a great danger to Muslims”..
And His brother Sheikh Sulaiman Bin ^abdilwahhab, may Allah have mercy on them because they were great scholars, Sheikh Sulaiman made a book called “ AL Sawa^iq Al Illahiyyah to refute the wahhabiayh” and in it he said to his brother and his followers: “However you have taken things by your own opinion and thoughts and you have opposed the Ijma^ and declared all of the Ummah of Prophet Muhammad as Kuffar”. Look into that book page 17. They blaspheme everyone who opposes them and they try to kill him. And that’s because of the orders that Muhammad bin Abdilwahhab got from his teacher Hempher the British spy!!.
As Hempher mentions in page 77 that the first bill between the treaties that happened between him and Muhammad bin ^abdilwahhab is: “To Blaspheme all Muslims, and to bid killing them and to take their money and to commit whatever unlawful with their women and to sell them..” Second bill: “to destroy Al Ka^bah claiming that it’s from the signs of the Idols…” Read the Book: “Hempher the British spy”..
And to prove that they are Wahhabies and that the name fits them is what was mentioned in a book they wrote by the name “Muhamad Bin ^abdilwahhab, his Salafi creed” .. it says: “when he met with the wahhabies in Makkah”.. and he says: “but the Wahhaby belief..” and: “They use Islam as a religion on the Wahhaby creed..”..
Another leader named Muhammad bin jameel, a wahhabiy lecturer in our holy Makkah says: “Wahhabiy from Wahhab, and it’s from the names of Allah..” and there he lied because wahhabiy from Muhammad bin Abdilwahhab the deviator.. Also they named a book called “The wahhabiy movement”
So, Al wahhabiyah are the enemies of Muslims and the lovers of the jews and blasphermers. I can not say more.
This is disgusting to say that these people claim that they are salafi and love Prophet Muhammad. It hurts the tongue to say what the wahhabies say.. If you are going to say no or so.. read the references.. Now, what I excpect from you (whoever believes in these Kufur beliefs), is to repent for the sake of Allah by saying the Shadah with the intention of embracing Islam because the Muslim scholars mentioned that whomever has a belief or saying or commited an action that opposes Islam he must repent by embracing Islam.
Brothers/Sisters, I hope this will clarify to wahhabies that Muslims are not the same as Jews. And that we believe in Allah as he mentioned in Al Qur'an the only one who deserves to be worshiped and that Allah does not resemble any of his creations. Allah exists without a place, does not need any of the creations, he creates the good and the evil, but ordered us to avoid the evil. And that Muslims worldwide love Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu ^alayhi wassallam, the seal of Prophets and messengers, the best of Allah’s creations, and that we go and visit the Prophet in the grave and yes we do ask Allah blessings from by the virtue of Prophet Muhammad and the ‘Awliya’, and no, we do not ask Prophet Muhammad nor ‘Awliya’ to do this and that for us because they are only humans but with high very high rank. I hope that will also tell the wahhabies, that Muslims celebrate the Birth of Prophet Muhammad worldwide for the endowment that Allah endowed onto us by bringing Prophet Muhammad to the world and guiding us to the light of Islam. We do not worship Muhammad nor scholars and whoever does that is not Muslim. We love prophet Muhammad because he is our leader and role model.. Whom do we love than? Abdilwahhab? Ibn Taymiah? Ibn Baz? Al-Albany? Al-Qaeadawi? The Jews? No, not even in their dreams.
Brothers/Sisters I hope that this will make an effect on the ones who oppose us, Muslims.
Allahum-Aghfir lana warhamna. O Allah we ask you to grant us Paradise by the virtue of the Prophet and the ‘Awliya’ and saleheen, and to unite us under the banner of Prophet Muhammad. Ameen.
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Originally posted by The Watcher:
**Ahmad G,
I am still waiting for you to answer my questions.
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Also, I have tons of references for every singel thing I say. But what I had should be a good start for you. Now I Am waiting for you to accept the truth.
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Originally posted by The Watcher:
**Ahmad G,
I am still waiting for you to answer my questions.
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Also, I have tons of references for every singel thing I say. But what I had should be a good start for you. Now I Am waiting for you to accept the truth.
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Originally posted by Ahmad G:
** These people say it's shirk to visit the grave of the Prophet, just visiting him!! who should we visit than?! Muhammad bin ^abdilwahhab's grave?!!**
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hmmmm,
All I know is that no one has ever been stopped from visiting the prophet(pbuh)'s grave.
Al wahhabiyah are the enemies of Muslims and the lovers of the jews and blasphermers. I can not say more.<<<<
u have posted nothing to prove this. all u have posted are “STORIES” of past wahabi aalims and what they have done.
u agree that whatever it is that you write about wahabies not every wahabi follows it. To me there is no clear distinction between wahabi muslims and sunni muslims. ur stories of old wahabi aalims and their acts dont prove jack didli.
To me a Ahl-e-Wahaab muslim is a sunni muslim but WITHOUT the shirk of “worshipping graves”, “taveez ganda” and other well known activities of munafiqeen. and i am sure you are well aware of all of them.
so instead of trying hard in digging up dirt on past muslim scholors etc. try teaching our fellow muslim brothers especially in the subcontinent who are still struggling to get rid of their ancestors idol worshipping days. i can show you millions upon millions of such “sunni” muslims who worship graves, do taveez ganda and commit shirk everyday in their lives. Take a trip down to bari imaam, or any of the other shrines and you will see our fellow muslim brothers committing shirk out of ignorance. You will see a culture of “halwa khor” molvies who have twisted Islam and have turned muslims against muslims. we have sunnies killing shias and sunnies killing qadianies and vice versa.
The Ahl-e-Wahaab folks I have met in Pakistan and here in US are great muslims who are trying to revive spreading of Islam something all the other sections of Islam have put on their “waiting list”. If you can try going to Rai wind one of these days… you will see people from all over the world and all over Pakistan there… and its a proof of their hard work.
Its hightime that we cleansed the sunni version of Islam especially in the subcontinent and the kafir practices followed by our sunni muslim brothers. i have yet to see a similar bidaat followed in Ahl-e-Wahab in the name of Islam… when you find one please let us know along with some proof. Untill then lets worry about the facts and the state of muslims that exists today rather than worrying about which aalim did what in the past. cos anyone can make up stories. and they dont convince anyone.
Ahmad G, there is differences between being opinionated and convinecing everyone and being truthful and conviencing people with the truth. You fall into opinionated net. I posted this before, tell me if you agree or disagree. ok? thanks.
SOme of the things that Abdul Wahab said were wrong in the light of QURAN and Sunnah:
- Making graves paved…Construction over graves, covering and decorating them etc.
- Going to graves and calling the dead to pray for them…
- Celebrating Milad-un-nabi…
- Making Dhikr and salawath before pronouncing the Adhan.
- Verbally pronouncing the Niyyah (intention) particularly before Takbir Tahrim.
- Taveez ganda
many many more…
The Shaikh quoted the hadith of Abu ‘l-Hayyaj al-Asadi whom Ali ibn Abi Talib asked:
“Should I not commission you with a duty with which the Messenger of Allah had commissioned me-to leave no statue but to crush it, and no grave raised above the surface of the ground but to level it down?”
Mundaya,
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Originally posted by mundyaa:
*>>>>Al wahhabiyah are the enemies of Muslims and the lovers of the jews and blasphermers. I can not say more.<<<<
so instead of trying hard in digging up dirt on past muslim scholors etc. try teaching our fellow Muslim brothers especially in the subcontinent who are still struggling to get rid of their ancestors idol worshipping days. *
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I don't disagree with you when you said about teaching the bro/sis about Al Islam. Digging dirt? well I'm only digging the dirt of Al wahhabiyah that they painted with colors of Islam. The reason I had that post, is because I was asked for it and for proves and references about it and there they are! you can't say they are not true. I don't care about anything else but the ^aqeedah of Muslims. When A Muslim who loved the Prophet and went to visit the Prophet Sallallahu ^alayhi wassallam in his grave and recited al fatiha and because of that he is declared as a Mushrik by these wahhabies?!! I don’t care if they are not all the same, or if they deny it, but Wahhabies originated all of these innovations and that’s not acceptable.
Listen to this: once a sheikh went to visit a person who died, so they went there and sat. At the end the sheikh stood up and said Al fatiah: (Meaning let’s recite Al fatiha), the brother of the dead man was a wahhaby so when he heard the sheikh he stood up and said NO No, that is shirk to recite Fatiha! Don’t do it! So the sheikh and the people sitting got shocked! Than the sheikh said to him why not? The wahhaby said because it’s bid^ah why should we read Al fatiha? What good will that do to a dead man? So Sheikh said ok we won’t recite fatiha than, but instead he started swearing to dead guy and cussed him, than the wahhaby said why? why are you saying that? The sheikh told him: “now, the cuss and swears will reach him but the faiha won’t”?!! So these people also said that you can’t recite Al fatiha!. How am I supposed to teach Islam, while there are people who are destroying it? I have to warn from falsehood, and we fear non but Allah.
But I will end my discussion here because we know how wahhabies are and I don’t want to waste more time. I have in the long article enough info to tell you what Wahhabies are made from, and they are now, as their leaders were always making takfeer to the millions of Muslims.
Grave worshipping? Everyone knows that it is kufur to worship other than Allah, but not everyone knows about the disguise of the wahhbies under the name of Islam. Millions of Muslims though go to the graves of the Muslims and recite Al Fatiha andal Qura’n and they also seek madadd from Allah by the virtue of the Prophet and Saleheen, some sit and recite the whole Qur’an, if you call that Shirk, than you are same as the wahhabies and that is brought from no where, not from Qura’n, not from Hadiht, and not from true qualified Scholars of Islam. If you want to agree with us on that good if not, I have no more discussion with you.
Walhamdulillah. And Allah knows best.
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Originally posted by The Watcher:
**.......SOme of the things that Abdul Wahab said were wrong in the light of QURAN and Sunnah:
- Making graves paved...Construction over graves, covering and decorating them etc.
- Going to graves and calling the dead to pray for them...
- Celebrating Milad-un-nabi...
- Making Dhikr and salawath before pronouncing the Adhan.
- Verbally pronouncing the Niyyah (intention) particularly before Takbir Tahrim.
- Taveez ganda many many more...
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"If you are going to say no or so.. read the references.. Now, what I excpect from you (whoever believes in these Kufur beliefs), is to repent for the sake of Allah by saying the Shadah with the intention of embracing Islam because the Muslim scholars mentioned that whomever has a belief or saying or commited an action that opposes Islam he must repent by embracing Islam. "
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These facts are most important and secretive. I will not let you change the subject on me. I know you asked about that, I will answer after you declare the truthfulness of these references and these beliefs of the wahhabies and after telling how you see them as a wahhaby or a defender than I will reply to your requests, and to everything you need. If you are not, than forget about it and don’t argue and be defensive for falsehood, while seeing the truth.
Still waiting.
What, which references? I asked you simple question, do you approve of the things which Abdul wahab said were wrong in the light of QURAN and Sunnah?
I expect a answer in: yes or no.
.......SOme of the things that Abdul Wahab said were wrong in the light of QURAN and Sunnah: [do you say that these things are ok in the light of quran and sunnah]
1. Making graves paved...Construction over graves, covering and decorating them etc.
2. Going to graves and calling the dead to pray for them...
3. Celebrating Milad-un-nabi...
4. Making Dhikr and salawath before pronouncing the Adhan.
5. Verbally pronouncing the Niyyah (intention) particularly before Takbir Tahrim.
6. Taveez ganda
many many more...
Do you approve of those things?
These are the things which abdul wahab said were wrong in the light of Allah and these are the things which wahabis tell you not to do but you say we will and that is why you hate them. I am not trying to change the subject, the subject is still your dear ol'friend wahabis.
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Originally posted by Ahmad G:
**Someone requested from me some of what the Wahhabies say.
I have had debates with Wahhabies several times and I still do. Here’s a BRIEF answer.
Some of what they say:
(And some of them deny it, some believe in part of it)
1- To them it’s Haram to say (Ya Muhammad)
-And there's Hadith called the Hadith of the blind man, Prophet Muhammad taught a blind man to say Du^a' and in it ".. Ya Muhammad.."
2- They say, it's shirk (Kufur, Blasphemy) to visit the grave of the Prophet in Al Madinah.
-The Prophet said that “whomever visits me, I will intercede for him on the day of Judgment”.
3- They say it's shirk to make tabarruk and tawassul to the Prophet.
-Tabarruk and tawassul, seeking blessings from Allah by the virtue of the Prophet is permissible. Sahabah taught us to do so in different ways. Not worshiping graves and rocks as they claim.
4- They say whhabies are the only true Muslims, in the book of their leader Muhammad bin ^abdilwahhab, he says "humanity blasphemed..)
-Prophet Muhammad said that there will always be people of Haq on the face of earth and they are the majority.
5- They say that doing Mawlid or Milad-un-Nabiyy is haram.
-Muslims worldwide make Mawlids consisting: Recitation of Qur'an, Islamic Chants, Speech about the biography of the Prophet. I don’t see anything haram in that. The first man who initiated Mawlid, was Al Mudhaffar Hakim Irbil, He was a great leader and scholar thousands of Muslims including scholars came to Mawlid and approved it.
6- They celebrate the birth of their foundation. That’s when their Madhab was made up.
Subhanallah, To them Prophet Muhammad is not worthy.
7- One of Their leader came to destroy the tomb of Prophet Muhammad, and that’s when he got blinded.
-Some of the wahhabies that negate the fact that they are wahhabies:
Ibn Taymiah, was before them.
Bin baz, Died Alhamdulillah.
Al Albaniyy, claims he is a scholar.
Al Qaradawi, trying to be poplular
Abdur-Rahman Dimashqiah, trying to be poplular…
8- They say it’s haram to recite Al Fatiha to the dead Muslims!!!!
-Subhanallah, maybe that’s why they said all humanity blasphemed. Al Hamdulillah that Prophet Muhammad taught us to recite Al Fatiha and Yasseen to the dead..
7- Prophet Muhammad said “May Allah bless Sham (Jordan, Syria, Lebanon…) and Yemen”
Sahabah asked, and our Najd ya rassullallah?
Prophet said “May Allah bless Sham (Jordan, Syria, Lebanon…) and Yemen”
Sahabah asked, and our Najd ya rassullallah?
Prophet said “May Allah bless Sham (Jordan, Syria, Lebanon…) and Yemen” three times and said the from Najd, lots of calamities and fitan will occur. Muhammad son of ^abdilwahhab was a major fitnah.
8- They say Allah is in the sky as the jews believe.
- Allah does not need anything, angels are in the skies. Allah exists without a place.
9- Ibn Taymiah says that Helfire and Paradise are not real all sensual feelings.
That’s is brought from nowhere.
10-……………
They say too much to be put in words. As you can see, their beliefs are similar to the Christians and jews, and these Only Islam is accepted by Allah.
Our creed is that Allah is the only one who deserves to be worshiped. Allah existed eternally and there was no place and now Allah exists as he did without a place. That’s what Imam ^aliy said, and others. Allah does not need any of his creations, Allah does not resemble any of his creations As Allah mentioned in Surat As-Shurah Ayah 11 [Absolutely nothing resembles him and he is attributed with hearing and sight].
Prophet Muhammad is a human being from flesh and bones, he is not light nor does he know everything that there is from knowledge (All Ghaib), He knows what Allah revealed to him. He is the best of all Prophets, the seal of all Prophets and messengers. Visiting him at his grave is an honor. Asking Allah by his virtue is a blessing and is permissible.
That’s in brief about these people Al Wahhabiya. They are very few comparing the number of Ahlus-Sunnah wal Jama^ah. They have a lot of money, they try to control media and broadcasts, and mostly Mosques!! They send their imams to mosques to through their poison using the name of Islam. They make colorful books and spread them for free so people can embrace their deviant Madhhab.
Basically, they are not accepted by the Muslim scholars, in general by Islam.
We ask Allah to keep us steadfast on the ^Aqeedah of the Sahabah Al Kiram, the creed of the Prophet, We ask Allah by the virtue of Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him, to facilitate us to visit Al Madinah and to visit the Grave of Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu ^alayhi wassallam.
Wassalam.
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I'm talking abou that above. Re-read it and give me an answer and far from Islam that stuff is. And I will tell you what the sunny point of view of your questions.
Ok. STill not references except “they say this” and “they say that” which doesnt really show the reader if they really say.
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Could you show me from quran if Allah in any verse refers to Mohammad with :“ya Mohammad”? Could you show me from hadiths of Mohammad was refered by Sahaba with “ya Mohammad?”
It is not kufr to go to his grave, but when most of you go there you start to pray and weep to him for his help. Same practices that you do at home with local graves, you go ahead and continue when you go to his grave. You can go there, and make dua like you would to on a grave. SOme people just start to say “oh mohammad do this for us and do that for us” which is asking a dead person which cannot hear you for help. WHich is wrong and is wrong in the light of QUran and Sunnah.
Your 3rd clame, could you present some references from hadiths book and quran. Thanks, I am not familiar with such practice.
They do not say they are true Muslims in the light of books of abdul wahab, that is just your clame. They and abdul wahab was follower of books such as “Bukhari and Muslim” he wrote hsi books on those basis. He asked people to stop the practices such as:
Going to graves,
Taveez ganda
Peer-faqeer
Saying something before ever azaan
Celebrating the birth of Mohammad…many more that were later invented into religion and were not part of islam and never were practice by Mohammad or his sahabah.
About Milad, could you show me from hadiths book and quran if its ok and was a practice done by Mohammad and his companions?
Milad was added into Islam after 600 years of Mohammads death.
I have no knowledge of wahabis celebrating anything besides the 2 eids. Never heard and I don’t think what you said is true. Its just to make them look bad, which you are doing all along, with self-created lies. Again, your clame is false.
Could you show me in hadiths where Mohammad said you should build tombs on the graves? He said in hadiths to level all the graves to the ground. I quoted a hadiths read it!!!
Could you show me in hadiths where surah fatiah was recited by Mohammad or his sahaba? [you wrote a hadiths, but no references.]
Read the quran, allah says he is on his throne.
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You wanna ask Allah for help from virtue of MOhammad, read “darood-sharif” before you pray, don’t call on to Mohammad, he is dead and ONLY call onto ALLAH alone!!!
PLease bring some references, this will not work: You keep on posting “they say” or “that hadiths says this” I don’t think this will work, name the books, bring the complete references please. Other wise it makes you look as if you really hate someone and are trying to do everything to make them look bad, which a good muslim should not do.
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You answer my question now, do you approve of the things which Abdul wahab said were wrong in the light of QURAn and SUnnah?
I mentioned above read em and answer. Yes or no, if you can explain with reference it will help allot.
Take it easy.
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Masha Allah brother Ahmad G. Keep doing ihad against Wahabis and dont get bothered by their babbling. Masha-Allah you are doing a wonderful job of unwrapping the Wahabi filth.
Good points brother. Masha-Allah
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*Ok... You wanna ask Allah for help from virtue of MOhammad, read "darood-sharif" before you pray, don't call on to Mohammad, he is dead and ONLY call onto ALLAH alone!!!
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Is that how you show your respect to the best of Allah's creations, Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu ^alayhi wassallam?!. I will teach you insha'llah what you have missed out on. But just because you don't the evidence on why Muslims celebrate the birth of Prophet Muhammad, and that Prophets are alive in their graves praying, and that it is permissible to say Ya Muhammad, just because you don't no, nor do your wahhaby friends, deosn't mean it does not exist. I will teach you assuming that you are willing to accept the truth not arguments. Insha'llah as soon as I finish my work. Keep waiting, I've got all of the answers. :)