Re: Wahabis must open Makkah and Madeena to Non-Muslims (minus the hujj season)
and the interpretation of Imam Abu Hanifa :rehm: is?
Re: Wahabis must open Makkah and Madeena to Non-Muslims (minus the hujj season)
^^ Read #3 on page 1. I referenced word for word from a reasonable source.
Re: Wahabis must open Makkah and Madeena to Non-Muslims (minus the hujj season)
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for that let me tell you about mushrik first.. jewish faith is based on shirk… they do not worship anyother than ALLAH but then there are Jews who consider Hadhart Uzair:as: as son of God as mentioned in Quran. and also SHIRK is not only worshiping or declaring more than one GOD.
Second thing, Imam ABu Hanifa might have a different opinion about the verse (which I will have to confirm myself) but the start of that Surah ifself is an indication to get Mushrikeen out of the valley.
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perhaps Imam Abu Hanifa's interpretation is fit for the ahl-e-kitaab who really follow the real Books and not these modern versions of them, which r definitely based on shirk....
in that case, eben imam abu hanifa's interpretation does not allow for these jews and christians to enter the holy lands....
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Good for you and your exclusionary practices. I’m not the one arguing that Islam is a tolerant religoin. But praise Allah there is a place like the US that will take in the huddled masses like yourself that hate the very things it stands for.
Re: Wahabis must open Makkah and Madeena to Non-Muslims (minus the hujj season)
Why don’t you confirm first?
Typical fundoo approach is “the other side” is guilty until proven innocent. This my friend will not get you anywhere in this world or the world hereafter.
p.s. Talk to a Jewish scholar and ask if Hazrat Uzair still is the son of God, before making marking every jewish person a “pagan”.
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So Anti, why don’t you talk to some Jews who don’t consider Hazrat Uzair as Allahs son, since you are good in talking to them and let us know, and while you are at it, since you started the request bring in the "resonable source". Once you are there I will bring you plenty of Jews who consider Hazrat Uzair as Allah's son. May be that will clear some misconceptions about jews.
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Amen brother! bring those reference now. What are you waiting for?
At least from the first hand information from Iranian Jews is that Allah is the only one derserving worship. These poor souls were kicked out after revolution in their country. So they have taken refuge in Pakistan. They are all without exception absolutely marvelous folks. They never had any problem mixing with Pakistani Muslims.
So bring your made up stories. We are all ready to hear them.
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Re: Wahabis must open Makkah and Madeena to Non-Muslims (minus the hujj season)
antiobl says on this forum: jews dont think Uzair (as) is the son of Allah
Allah says in the Quran: Jews say that Uzair (as) is the son of Allah
o wise men and women, boys and girls, whose words shud we have more faith in????
antiobl or Allah????
Re: Wahabis must open Makkah and Madeena to Non-Muslims (minus the hujj season)
Why don't you ask a Jew? The ones I have spoken to do not believe him to be the son of God. Perhaps they did in the 7th century when the Quran was compiled (although not according to any Jewish records)
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The one I have spoken to do agree that at certain time some Jews did consdider him the son of God. Now that would be shirk and thats why they are not allowed in the the two holy cities.
Anti, I am still waiting for those "resonable sources" you were going to bring.
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I can understand that some Jews at certain times may have believed that, but why banish a whole people when it is not the prevailing belief? After all, some Muslims put Muhammed on par with Allah and they are allowed.
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Look baboo! read the tafsir. It is really hard to prove that Jews of today consider Ezra (Uzair) “the son of God”.
Why are you trying to drag Quran verses mortal men?
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pointless discussion, the line of jews waiting to visit mecca is even shorter than the christian one. Neither will dispute that they are kaafir either, eom.
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Read baboo read! Imam Abu Hanifa has clearlified the verse. You don’t have to depend on me to teach you the sections of Islam that have been OK for the last 1000 years ago.
Now if you have issues with space travel, I could certainly help you ( because our Shariah couldn’t possibaly cover that topic).
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I looked up tafsir by Ibn Kathir on the initial verse for the sake of general knowledge. Following is what I found: Idolators are no longer allowed into Al-Masjid Al-Haram
antiobl, might I add, Imaam Abu Hanifa is not the final authority. His view is definitely very well regarded. However, others do have the right to come up with different interpretations.
To the best of my knowledge, all four imaams (Abu Haneefa, Malik, Shafa’ee, Hanbal) have said that if their views/interpretations contradict that of the shariah, then disregard it and follow what the shariah says.
I’m sure someone would be able to provide reference for what I have just said about the four imaams (from what I have read in the past).
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Just one comment from my side.
YOU deserve to be the religon moderator. You possess the necessary knowledge and attitude. Accept my compliments Sadiyah. Mashallah
Re: Wahabis must open Makkah and Madeena to Non-Muslims (minus the hujj season)
perhaps you missed the part about reading the WHOLE surah Tauba. Did you do that before anwering to me?
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This link provides the same info as #3, with one difference: it talks about “idolaters” instead of “pagans”.
My emphasis on one particular Imam is because majority of Muslims in our part of the world follow Shariah as interpreted by Imam Abu Hanifa. So he is the final authority for majority of Muslims in Pakistan and other countries in the region.
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^ so now abu haneefa is superior to the Quran??? 