It is time Saudis open the holy cities of Makkah and Madeena to non-Muslims. Granted that Hujj season makes the twin cities too crowded. But the rest of the year should be open for anyone to go in the holy cities and visit the place.
It is too $tupid to keep these cities locked up as if people are going to steal somethign from there. Allah is for everyone and so do His house (Bait-Allah).
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^ Do you know why it was closed for non-muslims?
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Ban on entry to both Makkah and Madeena is a misinterpretation of the Quranic verse in the Surah al-Bara'ah :
The Mushrik (who worship more than one God, or pagans from the time of Messenger saw) are impure. So they must not come near "Almasjid al-Haram" the Holy Mosque of Makkah.
Imam Abu Hanifah interprets the verse in a quite different way. He says that it is not the pagans that have been banned by this verse, but the context of the verse suggests that the pagans have been forbidden from performing Hajj and Umrah. Before the revelation of this verse, the pagans of Arabia used to perform Hajj and Umrah. Even in the 9th year after Hijrah, when Abu Bakr (R.A) was made the leader of the Hajj a large number of the pagans of Arabia performed Hajj with him.
On this occasion the Surah of Bara'ah was revealed and their Hajj and Umrah was totally banned with effect from the next year. The Holy Prophet ( Sallaho Alaihai Wasallam ) sent Sayyidna 'Ali (R.A) to announce his prohibition in the plain of 'Arafat where he conveyed the injunctions of the Surah al-Bara'ah to all present in that Hajj. On that occasion he did not announce that the pagans cannot enter the Holy Mosque after his year. Instead, he announced "No pagan shall perform Hajj after this year."
Keeping in view the context of the verse of Surah al-Bara'ah and this historical background, Imam Abu Hanifah has not taken the verse as a prohibition against the entry of pagans into the limits of Haram or into the Holy Mosque, but has confined the prohibition to the performance of Hajj or Umrah only.
source: Darul uloom Karachi with the following changes
Imam Hanifa is the only one quoted here. The reason is simple. In Pakistan majority follows Hanfi school of thought.
Mushrik should be translated as pagan. Non-Muslims are not automatically Mushriks. For example Jewish faith doesn't associate anyone with Allah.
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I think if they allow a certain number of escorted visitors then it should be okay but that is just my opinion. The reason for not totally openning the areas to non-muslims also has some other factors.
I think in Morocco a mosque that allowed some modelling crew in, started to photograph a model in a bikini right in the middle of the prayer area of the mosque.
Making Mecca and Medina open to all during non-peak season and times will allow behaviour, that even by mistake or negligence, should not be allowed. That is the main reason why they now stick to the closure. Why take the chance that will soon create an influx of tourists from the world just wanting to see the place. Mecca and Medina are not broke so that they do not need the tourist dollars either.
And if God is for eveyone then the non-muslims do not need to come all the way to Mecca for their god. They can find god in their own realm.
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^^ Oh man why these people would live in 1000 years old world?
These days every major place has "escorts or guides" to provide "help". These guides can make sure nothing bad happens. Your example of Morroco bikinis is not applicable.
Get rid of your fear man. get rid of this monster.
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Mekkah and Madeena are not your daddy’s garage. It is the sooudis’s country. They can allow or not allow anybody they want in their country. Prophet PBUH was the one who said no non-muslim shall enter the holy places after he passes away.
Mormon Christians in the US do not allow non-mormons in their Utah temple. They can make their rules it is their place of worship.
Makkaah is not Jamaica for nude tourists , people go to Mekkaah for emotional worship.
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100% correct. If non-muslims believe in the same God as muslims, then non-muslims can find GOd in their own temples, churches or synogugues. They do not need to go to makkaah to find God.
Just like a Jew does not go to a hindu temple to find God or a christian does not go to a sikh temple to find GOD. Non-muslims do not need to go to Makkaah to find God.
Stay in your own places of worship to find GOD. Leave Makkaah alone for muslims.
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Ofcourse it is applicable. It shows the disregard and ignorace of tourists and the like.
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Enough said about the topic to explain the point. This is not simply a matter of closing the Muslim Holy Sites for non-Muslims as a matter of prejudice. It ia a matter above and beyond that....... This is not as simple matter as it may seem to you. The nature of mischief played on the part of these "humanly devils" is not that the security cameras and scientific discoveries can detect as these are "Intellectual" mischieves, "ideological" mischieves.......... The criteria for respect and manners of respect of non-Muslims are different than those of Muslims.
By the way, Antiobl, do you know the incidence that happened in the time of Noor ud Din Zangi when the Jews tried to steal the body of Prophet (PBUH) ????? Just because they were allowed to enter the Masjid-e-Nabvi?
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Which verse (Number???) in Al-Baqarah? Please write in here for us?
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It's not surah Baqarah...
It is Surah At Tauba:
9:28 O ye who believe! Truly Mushrikoon (those who assocaite partners with ALLAH) are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque. And if ye fear poverty, soon will Allah enrich you, if He wills, out of His bounty, for Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.
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^ Thankyou.
And I'll do my own reading about the context of this Ayah from different sources before I form an opinion of mine and then I'll write that here. :)
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All problems in the world solved already, that we are solving a non-issue here?
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Antiobl. I applaud your view. When people are invited to see a most holy place, there is typically a great deal of respect given. And it is a lovely thing to invite those of other faiths to see and experience your religion. It will invite others to explore and maybe even convert and will do much to remove the dark cloud over the religion due to ignorance. There will always be the occasion "problem tourist" but there are also the occasional "problem worshippers", yes? The good that it would do, I think, would far outweigh any bad. Invite others to see and experience Islaam and to see that its a beautiful and good thing, not a mysterious unknown and possibly bad thing. Christian churches welcome, with open arms, those of other faiths, to see their churches and their services. They are proud of what they have, what they beleive and what they feel they can give to a person. Its time that Muslims open their doors so that others can see what THEY have to offer.
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Just my opinion but I thought it was a really good point to be discussed.
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ps I dont mean that there should be frankfurter stands and balloons outside with tourists running around wherever they want. Rather, there should be volunteer workers who would escort "tourists", explain all of the customs and prayers involved and escort them from start to finish, translate the prayers, explain the movements etc etc. What a benefit it would be to every Muslim on the planet.
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I really dont think they should be allowed. It is forbidden, and i dont see the purpose of them coming....
Its already really busy as it is .......... There are plenty of Videos and DVDs or they can watch it on Satellite....... Better yet, they should study Islam at their local mosque and think about who and what Muslims are.
Makkah and Madinah are truly special to devout Muslims. They understand its significance in a spirtiual way, something someone else woould not.
I suggest they go to Masjid Umawi in Damascus, it is a very nice mosque, and one of the earliest built. I went there a few years ago, and it is open for all.
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and whats this crap about "Wahabis". .. . al Wahab is one of the names of God. Nobodycalls themself a Wahabi.
The Jewish Faith does associate partners with Allah, if you read the Quran, you would know that the Jews
“They (Jews and the Christians) have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah, and (also) the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him.” [Surah At-Tawbah 9:31]
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Where and how is it forbidden?? Christians worship the very same Allah/God that Muslims do. All "children of the book". There would be nothing wrong with having a couple of "tours" a week where the "tourists" are walked through and shown what exactly Islaam is all about.....it doesnt have to be at prayer time or during Haaj and I'm sure that the overwhelming majority of tourists would be overwhelmed with the peace and serenity of seeing such a Holy place. HOW can that be bad???
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christians and jews are the ones who abused our Prophets and also rejected the words of Allah. i believe the scholars no btr than you mamaof3.