Re: Wahabis must open Makkah and Madeena to Non-Muslims (minus the hujj season)
I have a feeling that his books are not quite as important as the books and examples and the words left by Mohammad bin Abdullah.
Re: Wahabis must open Makkah and Madeena to Non-Muslims (minus the hujj season)
Ask those permanent residents of Gitmo!
In case you are having trouble, go check out any firebrand Saudi Mullah.
Re: Wahabis must open Makkah and Madeena to Non-Muslims (minus the hujj season)
nope because you are not takin it as an act of worship.
Islaam is a simple religion.
When it comes to acts of worship no acts are allowed unless you have evidence that it has been legislated by Allah or His Messenger(saw). if you do an act of worship that was not prescribed by Allah or His messenger it is a bidah. Anything that was not part of the Religion at the time of the Prophet cannot be part of the religion now.
when it comes to everyday life everything is allowed unless there is evidence to show its prohibiton.
there is a detailed debate you can study sumwhere on the religion section. check it out.
Re: Wahabis must open Makkah and Madeena to Non-Muslims (minus the hujj season)
^^ ok last question: if a self-proclaimed muslim is practicing bidah, and is an adult and does not change his ways even after warnings and advice from those following the sunnah....(acts of worship) does that turn him into a kafir? and thus apostate and thus he/she deserves the punishment of death?
Re: Wahabis must open Makkah and Madeena to Non-Muslims (minus the hujj season)
your arguements are weak and baseless and certainly not funny. go study the Qur’aan. you’ll be surprised at what you find.
Re: Wahabis must open Makkah and Madeena to Non-Muslims (minus the hujj season)
^^ if you don't wear a toap, or a demagh-choos, it is a Bidaa.
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good question. i have the answer for this in a book at home. i dnt want to answer as i mite cause fitnah by giving the wrong answer. generally it doesnt but it will defo lead u astray and into the hell fire. but there are some innovations which can make you kafir. Insha’Allah i will read it up…what am i thinkin. go and check out the following thread. its on there.
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=190964&highlight=bidah
its quite long but but b sincere. read it all. feel free to ask me more questions.
Re: Wahabis must open Makkah and Madeena to Non-Muslims (minus the hujj season)
what is a toap first of all?
Re: Wahabis must open Makkah and Madeena to Non-Muslims (minus the hujj season)
yes your rite brother i never would say such a thing but some find it hard to understand a statement of the Prophet so we shud guide them to the scholars who can explain.
Re: Wahabis must open Makkah and Madeena to Non-Muslims (minus the hujj season)
It is precisely Quranic verse that helped start this thread. You don’t want to listen to Imam Hanifa either. So what’s your point of bringing Wahabism in the middle?
Oh Baboo! Wahabis are the ones responsible for setting up Iron Curtain around Makkah and Madeena.
It is like asking Jeffrey Dahmer about cannibalism. What’s he gonna say? Eat more chicken?
Re: Wahabis must open Makkah and Madeena to Non-Muslims (minus the hujj season)
imam abu haneefah. where did i say i do not want to listen to him hey? i follow imam abu haneefah, imam shafai, imaam malik and imaah ahmad ibn Hanbal. iron curtain bro what books do u read they sound weird to me. anyway what were you sayin abt imam abu haneefah(ra)
Re: Wahabis must open Makkah and Madeena to Non-Muslims (minus the hujj season)
What will non-muslims gain by seeing Mecca and Madina themselves?
Re: Wahabis must open Makkah and Madeena to Non-Muslims (minus the hujj season)
lol, it’s always been clear to me that Islamist fundamentalists and thinking are on opposite ends of the specrtrum. Thanks for confirming this belief.
Re: Wahabis must open Makkah and Madeena to Non-Muslims (minus the hujj season)
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The word ‘Wahabi’ is nothing more than a derogatory term used against orthodox Muslims. Therefore, please refrain from using such words.
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Let’s not get off topic and on tangents. Topic on hand is the permissibility of at least allowing ahle-kitaab in Mecca and Medina other than during the season of Hajj and perhaps Ramadan when the place is packed as is. Sensible answers and opinions would do without any unnecessary mudslinging.
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Could someone please post the definition of kaafir? To the best of my knowledge and understanding, ahle kitaabs are called ahle kitaabs because they believe in at least one or two of the previously revealed books. However, what makes them kaafir is the fact that they do not worship Allah (SWT) Alone and they do not believe in Muhammad (SAW) as the final prophet.
Please correct me if I’m wrong:
Kaafir - someone who does not worship Allah (SWT) Alone or does not recognize Allah (SWT) as the sole God and does not believe in Muhammad (SAW) as the last prophet. In addition, kaafir is someone who is aware of Islam and delibrately rejects Islam. I wonder if this would apply to the ahle-kitaab, as according to the Quran they have the signs in their books that speaks of the arrival of Muhammad (SAW).
Mushrik - a polytheist, one who associates partners in the worship of Allaah (Source). I think it’s those who don’t believe in any of the devine books and reject Islam, Allah (SWT) as the sole God and Muhammad (SAW) as the last prophet. Please correct me if I’m wrong. I’m not too sure about this one.
I gotta try and find the fatwa that I once received, albeit it wasn’t the clearest.
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Re: Wahabis must open Makkah and Madeena to Non-Muslims (minus the hujj season)
you’re joking right? I guess kaafir is a term of endearment in your eyes?
Re: Wahabis must open Makkah and Madeena to Non-Muslims (minus the hujj season)
Stu, I don't think kaafir is a derogatory term. Just like Christians would perhaps call Muslims as non-followers/non-believers, kaafir is a similar word, but is in Arabic instead. Feel free to correct me.
Anyway, here's the fatwa I was referring to that I posted in another thread earlier:
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Jazakumullahu khairan for the clarification. However, if they are forbidden from entering two sacred places, then why are they allowed to visit the mosques? Many non-Muslims in Canada are invited for dawah purposes, while others are just as welcome to come and explore and to see what a mosque and Islam is all about? Please do clarify it for me, insha'Allah. WasSalaam, sadiyah
Answered by: Sheikh Sa`d al-Shuwayrikh
The Muslims who lives in the unbelieving countries should try their best to call people to Allah’s religion. The people there are in ignorant of Islam.
If an unbeliever wants to enter the mosque for a legal benefit as to call him to Islam or that he might embrace Islam, then it is permissible. The Prophet (peace be upon him) detained Thumâmah b. Ithâl in the mosque, though he was non-Muslim at the time.
This permissibility is adopted by many scholars.
If there is a chance that an unbeliever could embrace Islam or he enters the mosque to be familiar with Islam then it is permissible for him to go inside the mosque. Such an unbeliever should be dealt with courteously in a way that encourages him to embrace Islam.
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Re: Wahabis must open Makkah and Madeena to Non-Muslims (minus the hujj season)
Seems like Fatwa says it is OK for non-Muslims to enter Bait-Allah and the Musjid Nabawi.
BTW this sheikh sahib needs to take some Egnlish lessons. He used the word “detained” that may be the litteral translation. However the context shows Messenger saw “allowed” Mr. Ithal in the mosque.
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Stu, I don’t think kaafir is a derogatory term. Just like Christians would perhaps call Muslims as non-followers/non-believers, kaafir is a similar word, but is in Arabic instead. Feel free to correct me.
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yeah right, and the word nigger is just a term that refers to black people. The two words are used in the same de-humanizing way.
Stating that wahabi is a derogatory term (while kaafir is not) is laughable and pitiful.
Re: Wahabis must open Makkah and Madeena to Non-Muslims (minus the hujj season)
^^ kaafir, sitam-gar, zaalim etc. are in fact terms of endearment throughout Urdu / Hindi poetry.
While wahabi has never been used by any poet while addressing his / her lover.
Off course many people may not be saying "shair" on this board.
Re: Wahabis must open Makkah and Madeena to Non-Muslims (minus the hujj season)
'Wahabi' is more than a derogatory term used against orthodox Muslims. It is universally used to describe the movement within Islam that started in the 18th century with Mohammed ibn Abdul Wahhab and used by Abdel Aziz ibn Saud to unify the Saudi Arabian tribes in the 20th century. Why deny the term or movement? They have a set of beliefs that they follow as a group and still are a powerful, distinct movement within Islam.