Re: Wahabis must open Makkah and Madeena to Non-Muslims (minus the hujj season)
Listen, the "Jews" killed Jesus. But Christians open their doors to Jews (and anyone else) who want to attend a Church service or find out more about the religion. So what is the problem, Mr Faisal? Whats wrong with letting those of other faiths have the experience of Islaam?
Re: Wahabis must open Makkah and Madeena to Non-Muslims (minus the hujj season)
oh yeh there is nothing wrong with that. i have non muslims comin to my house and i sho them Islaam. but residing in my house? or mecca or madina? no way jose!
The Prophet(saw) said
"Expel the mushrikeen (polytheists) from the Arabian peninsula"Bukhaari 2932 and muslim 3089)
It is not permissible allow the kuffaar to take up residence in the Arabian Peninsula. The scholars differed at to the definition of the boundaries of the Arabian Peninsula, but they did not differ as to the fact that Madeenah is part of it.
Ibn Qudaamah said:
It is not permissible for any of them (the kuffaar) to live in the Hijaaz. This is the view of Maalik and al-Shaafa?i, but Maalik said: I think that they should be expelled from all the Arab lands, because the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ?Two religions cannot coexist in the Arabian Peninsula.? Abu Dawood narrated with his isnaad from ?Umar that he heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: ?I will certainly expel the Jews and the Christians from the Arabian Peninsula,, and I will not leave anyone there but Muslims.? Al-Tirmidhi said: this is a saheeh hasan hadeeth. And it was narrated that Ibn ?Abbaas said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) left behind three instructions. He said: Expel the mushrikeen from the Arabian Peninsula, honour the delegations the way that I do, and he kept quiet about the third. Narrated by Abu Dawood.
Al-Mughni, 9/285, 286.
Secondly:
It is permissible for kuffaar to enter Madeenah for the purposes of trade, without staying there. They should be given enough time (to complete their business) then they should be told to leave. Ibn Qudaamah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
It is permissible for them to enter the Hijaaz for the purpose of trade, because the Christians used to trade with Madeenah at the time of ?Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him). An old Christian man came to him in Madeenah and said: ?I am an old Christian man and your agent has taken the tithe from me twice.? ?Umar said: ?I am an old monotheist (haneef) man,? and ?Umar wrote to the agent and said: ?Only take the tithe once in a year, and do not allow them to stay for more than three days.? This is what was narrated from ?Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) and they should leave after that. Al-Qaadi said: Four days is the limit after which a traveller must offer prayers in full.
Al-Mughni, 9/286.
Re: Wahabis must open Makkah and Madeena to Non-Muslims (minus the hujj season)
and drop this "Wahhabi" term by Allah you will be questioned on yr ignorance!
Re: Wahabis must open Makkah and Madeena to Non-Muslims (minus the hujj season)
If Muslims are so adament about spreading their religion then allowing non Muslims to perform Hajj as though they were Muslims would be an excellent way to further that goal.
Denying non Muslims entry into the Mecca and Medina only makes Islam look intolerant and exclusionist, which is runs counter to what Islam was intended to be. Islam was meant to be a unifying force not only for Muslims but for non Muslims aswell... It was the adoption of a comman faith, that being Islam that brought the pagan Arabs from their loyaly beginings in Arabia to the regional superpower that trounced the Byzantines and evryone else who got in the way.
So why not in the spirit pf Islam, welcome no Muslims to participate in the Hajj so they can experience what it means to be a Muslim...
Re: Wahabis must open Makkah and Madeena to Non-Muslims (minus the hujj season)
every religion has some places where outsiders are not allowed. non-Hindus cannot enter some temple sanctums; similarly some parts of churches and synagouges are out of bounds. So what's the big deal about mecca and medina?
if the primary reason why people go there is to do with Islamic holiness, non-Muslims wouldn't feel that init? so why would they want to?
this is such non-issue
Re: Wahabis must open Makkah and Madeena to Non-Muslims (minus the hujj season)
are you blind to the words of the Prophet? are you seriously? do you seriously find it hard to understand the mushrikeen are not allowed in the 2 MOST holy places if Islaam.
"allowing non Muslims to perform Hajj"
do you really think there hajj will be accepted as kafirs? do you really think Allah will accept even the good deeds of a kafir who rejects the finality of the Prophethood?
Remember the words of the Prophet
"By the one who's hand my soul is in, there is not a jew or christian who hears abt me and dies without believing in my message, but he will be of the hell fire" (Bukhaari hadith 240)
and yr sayin they shud do hajj.
i have an idea......read the qur'aan and understand the message.
fear Allah!
pakpatriot your name said it all. it should be Islampatriot, sunnahpatriot, muwaahidpatriot.
subhan'Allah i cannot believe what i hear these days.
Re: Wahabis must open Makkah and Madeena to Non-Muslims (minus the hujj season)
antiobl, i think u need ur own Quran and ur own religion…
Islam just isnt going well with ur thoughts…
what next? let shaikh george bush be the amir-ul-hajj as well… 
Re: Wahabis must open Makkah and Madeena to Non-Muslims (minus the hujj season)
I'd like a more clear explanation of "mushrikeen" and "kafiir"...if I'm correct, these terms refer to POLYtheists, those who worship "many Gods". It does NOT refer to christians and jews who worship the very same God/Allah that Muslims do and all three religions make up "children of the book". Is this incorrect? (in YOUR opinion!)
Re: Wahabis must open Makkah and Madeena to Non-Muslims (minus the hujj season)
^
Quran 9:30
And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah
not shirk????
Re: Wahabis must open Makkah and Madeena to Non-Muslims (minus the hujj season)
^^ Mamaof3! That is correct. Mushrik is a pagan. Kafir is someone who worships someone other than Allah. Surah Kafiroon gives a clear description of who a Kafir is.
You are correct that people of the book (Ahle kitaab) are the followers Musa es, and Eesa es. They believe in God who sent Torah and Injeel (Bible). So they can't be Mushrik or Kafir.
Re: Wahabis must open Makkah and Madeena to Non-Muslims (minus the hujj season)
To reject Allah (SWT) as the sole God and Muhammad (SAW) as the final prophet is kufr. That is what I know to the best of my knowledge.
The Jews and the Christians do not recognize Muhammad (SAW) as the final prophet.
I did get a fatwa on it a while ago. I'll try to post it here, insha'Allah. Also, can others also post Islamic verdicts on it as well?
Re: Wahabis must open Makkah and Madeena to Non-Muslims (minus the hujj season)
^^ I respect the fatwa, but Sura Kafiroon is clear in terms of the definition of a kafir.
Re: Wahabis must open Makkah and Madeena to Non-Muslims (minus the hujj season)
read Surah 98,
Those who **are Kaafirs, among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists
Re: Wahabis must open Makkah and Madeena to Non-Muslims (minus the hujj season)
Kafir is a subject based on the verb Kufr.
kafir means to deny or to reject.
This word has been used in the Qur'aan
do the jews and christians reject the qur'aan? yes they do what does that make them??? Kafir!
A Kaafir is a person who disbelieves in Allah, does not worship Him exclusively, and refused to embrace the ideology of Islam. A person who believes in the existence of God is still a Kaafir, as believing in Allah is not enough to make one Muslim: you must also believe in, and act upon the six pillars of Eemaan.
All Jews, Christians, Sikhs, Hindus, Buddhists, Atheists and non-Muslims are Kuffaar (disbelievers). Doubting this is an act of apostasy (kufr
Re: Wahabis must open Makkah and Madeena to Non-Muslims (minus the hujj season)
I don't think you'll hear many complaints from the kaafir camp.
By contrast, I assume that 90% or more of the muslims participating in this thread waited a looooong time for the visa that enables them to live in the west. Not a very strong vote of confidence in the shariah system.
Re: Wahabis must open Makkah and Madeena to Non-Muslims (minus the hujj season)
Ha Mullahs are quick to call everyone apostate. Sunnis are apostates and so are Shias. Bralvis too. Heck why to leave behind deobandis. Deo-bandis especially are bad because they are the ones who have put genei (deo) in a small room (band).
Lumping Jewish and Christians with Kuffar is oh so Mullahtic. Do you ever wonder how Allah mian allowed Muslims to marry Ahl-kitab (people of the book)?
So Muslims may marry the jews and christians, eat at their homes, according to Allah mian, but Mullahtics would continue calling them kuffar. Whatttttta logic!
Re: Wahabis must open Makkah and Madeena to Non-Muslims (minus the hujj season)
Kaafir (pl. Kuffaar, Kaafiroon or Kaafireen)
A Kaafir is a person who disbelieves in Allah, does not worship Him exclusively, and refused to embrace the ideology of Islam. A person who believes in the existence of God is still a Kaafir, as believing in Allah is not enough to make one Muslim: you must also believe in, and act upon the six pillars of Eemaan.
All Jews, Christians, Sikhs, Hindus, Buddhists, Atheists and non-Muslims are Kuffaar (disbelievers). Doubting this is an act of apostasy (kufr).
Kafir is a subject based on the verb Kufr. One who commits Kuf’r is Kafir. To deny or to reject.
do they reject Allah and his messenger(saw)?? yes they do, so it makes them Kafir! yes brothers KAFIR!
Re: Wahabis must open Makkah and Madeena to Non-Muslims (minus the hujj season)
ok, we decided on a time-out people, we're having kebabs and chicken. eat, be merry and be thankful for the food in your refig, the clean running water you have, the electricity etc etc. Many are going without these luxuries so lets all take the time to be thankful for our bounty.
Re: Wahabis must open Makkah and Madeena to Non-Muslims (minus the hujj season)
لَقَدْ كَفَرَ الَّذِينَ قَالُوا إِنَّ اللَّهَ هُوَ الْمَسِيحُ ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ...
"They are Kaafir, those who say that Jesus is Lord…" (EMQ 5:17
Re: Wahabis must open Makkah and Madeena to Non-Muslims (minus the hujj season)
explain how?