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@SID_NY

You ask me to think from a "normal French citizen's perspective" - what is that exactly? Does that include Muslims in France? If not then you are asking me to look at the perspective of French non-Muslims. Does it include those non-Muslims who do not believe that Islam is represented by those terrorists? So really you are asking me to look at things from the perspective of the right-wing French.

Now there is very little I can do to stop anyone doing an act in the name of Islam. Such people could be Muslim, they could be non-Muslim acting to smear Islam.

I agree with you that the FACT is that terrorism is happening - the fact is not that it is necessarily being done by Muslims and on evidence as I provided earlier - the "Muslims" doing it are not even religious. Now it is displeases me that Muslims are told to look internally by the right-wingers from among the non-Muslims who already harbour anti-Islamic sentiments. And some of us a getting back-footed by their rhetoric and accept we Muslims have a problem. We will not be able to find such "Muslims" in our communities because they operate in isolation and are probably already pushed out and disassociated with us.

Standing up and proclaiming "we won't allow anyone to use our religion" is to be honest - as good as farting in the wind. Ineffective. What we need to do is investigate causes academically. Study the pattern of how people become radicalised. Look at their histories and come closer to vulnerable people - not further away - People who might start to show such traits. This is my observation on the matter.

There are three classes of terrorist:
1) The black operator
2) The converter
3) The peon

I'll explain this later, for the time being focusing only on the peons. Usually they are secular, fun loving, self-absorbed Muslim-by-name hedonists. They will contain some element of a desire to be accepted by others - because that drives their personal sense of security. They will have violent tendencies - bad boys/girls ... in to music, drugs and suddenly are exposed to violent material where Muslims are being attacked by oppressive regimes. These people will have an emotional hold on the label of being Muslim. They will be groomed by "The converters" who will convince them of channeling their energies towards helping Muslims and Islam by exacting revenge. Although it is not really revenge - because there are rules and common sense issues that are overlooked. These peons are unable to assess material for being right or wrong, truthful or false. They will accept the rhetoric of their groomers, because their groomers do one thing that they seek ... They seek to be "accepted" ... and have thus gradually moved away from their own friends and cannot create an affinity with the core body of Muslims and hence are easy prey.

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Re: "getting kicked out of America", a non US citizen (green card holder or illegal immigrant) can be deported if they are convicted of a felony or other crime of moral turpitude. A naturalized citizen cannot be "deported" or stripped of their citizenship unless it's proved they obtained citizenship by fraudulent methods. Their are checks and balances and certain unalienable rights guaranteed by the US Constitution. A Muslim (or person of any other religion) doesn't need to "snitch" on their fellow congregants to ensure they don't get "kicked out" of the country.

U.S. citizens cannot be deported. However, the government can attempt to take away the citizenship of a naturalized citizen if they can show that his/her naturalization application was "fraudulent" or contained certain omissions or mistakes (for example, if a person failed to disclose an arrest or conviction).

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What are you talking about Psyah? When i say think from a average french citizen’s perspective and you are asking their religion, next you ask their sect and so on and so forth, then you assumed i’m talking about right win french people, that itself shows a lot of confusion in your mind.
I dont know how many types of terrorists there are, i’m no expert in that. Its 3, 5, 7 or n number as an average person with a little knowledge here n there I just dont care. What i’m seeing is that why only people on the name of Islam doing all these barbaric acts? Especially when they are given place by others in their homeland? And if its happening, as you admitted it is, why cant we as muslims do anything to stop it?
Now going back to same excuse that hey these paris attackers didnt go to mosque etc, yar I would care least about that but more about the killings they did on the name of a religion. You think they are chanting jihad on west and we worry about whether they did roza namaz or no? Comeon man, lets not be that naive.
And Paris attack was NOT the first by terrorists on the name of Islam. What about all wut taliban have been doing? Wait, lets dig whether they were namazi or no, later we’ll ponder about their killing etc.

So please stop finding justifications and excuses and lets make a statement that wherever we’ll see anyone spreading hatred and inciting violence among us, we’ll take action, report them to authorities and make sure they dont cause any harm.

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@SID_NY

You have asked the Muslims to stand up and denounce the terrorists. We are doing that. Is it helping to stop them? No … And ask yourself who is benefiting in this situation? Only those people who wish to see war and conflict increase. Muslims who are living in the west are not in charge of the governments. There is little that we can do that we are not already doing. So the message to take away from this is chill and be a good person to all. Show them that you are not afraid - that is what the terrorists want you to be and same with the fascist people they want you to be afraid too. Don’t let them win rather we need to be nice to others. That is the message I am giving here. If we keep doing the same thing in reaction to these crimes on humanity and expect a different result … that would be madness on our behalf. Rather we do something different. The terrorists will not stop, so lets look at how terrorists are made and prevent people from getting converted to their cause. The best way of doing this is to study them and to provide the youth who are vulnerable a strong shoulder of support so they will come to us instead of those who are grooming them to convert into terrorists. That is a better response than standing up and denouncing them.

Terrorists want to polarise people they force people to take sides when most people just want to live their lives in peace. Don’t let anyone who wants to polarise you succeed. The way to do this is not to flee from the people doing this but to study them and find ways on how to bring them in to your circles effectively protecting them from the hands of the evil puppeteers.

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In most of the incidents, hackers/"terrorists" came from Arab/Muslim countries. They dont learn hacking and Salfism from the mosques in Europe/ America. And West has been fighting active and proxy wars against Muslims of Palestine and doing atrocities against Muslims in many countries. Put the invasion of Iraq by US into equation for example and then discuss.

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P@G, who on GS would you deport (to cafe) if you had the authority?

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look who is back :hugz:

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I'm sorry for your loses and I hope you won't face anymore tragedies. Btw, nothing will change unless Saudi petrodollars stop flowing into radical mosques and madrasas around the world that are brainwashing and turning kids into homicidal terrorists. Personally, I'm for banning hardcore Islamists and their beliefs (that includes Whahabbis/Salafis and more lighter version of nutters debondis).

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Where is the "like" key when you need one

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Sometimes i think in South Asian/Arab countries we glorify death in the name of Islam to the point where people would rather than not follow Islam/sunnah properly. Yet at the mere mention if religion .. everyones blood is boiling, foaming at the mouth. I think of how minorities are treated in Pakistan vs ISIS and their treatment of minorities. It all stems from somewhere.

I think Muslim countries have either forgotten or choose to gloss over the the fact that our Prophet (pbuh) was a compassionate and kind man.. he was the epitome of both. It's rarely taught. We teach about jihad and shahadat .. the outcasts only hear that and wahey, excellent way into Jannah .. idk... just something i feel like i see a lot of.

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I thought that wahabbis go to the "source" and reject bid'datis like the imams and sufis etc?

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State does not have the power to ban refugees. Once the refugees are in, in any state, they can freely move around in the US. State Governors are just picking up conservative voters by rambling all their BS which has no true effect.
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It can only affect state benefits like in indiana, but the family was flown to Kentucky. Obama is going to the courts and they might decide the whole thing ultmately.

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Define a Wahhabi so that he/she can be easily identified. Nothing is more convenient than cookie cutter approach to identifying people.

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^ Looks like you are one.. :p

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Now will people listen ??

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Wahabi fatwa in favour of ghulams and kaneez

عورت ملازمہ رکھی اوربعد Ù…یÚº اس سے اتفاق کرلیا کہ وہ اس Ú©ی لونڈی ہوگی - islamqa.info](عورت ملازمہ رکھی اوربعد میں اس سے اتفاق کرلیا کہ وہ اس کی لونڈی ہوگی - اسلام سوال و جواب)

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I don't care what some a** on some website is writing. There is nothing in Islam that says we are to bound people in Slavery. If anything, all the verses in the Quran are about how to set slaves free, and how much sawaab there is in such an act, and how it's good to marry your slave and make her / him your own family member, thereby dissolving their status as a slave and make them into a free believing person.

So I don't care what fatwas there are making excuses for sex slaves and slavery in general. These are sick people who can't read basic Quranic ayahs and interpret plain English/Arabic/Urdu, or whatever language the Quran is translated in. There are a gazillion talks on this additionally by real scholars who know what they're talking about.

Not to mention the ***** obvious history where we saw Arabs in that part of the world in 600 A.D. virtually eliminate the practice of slavery and absorb the slaves into their own families. Their kids went on to become major figures in early Islamic history.

That glaring part of history escapes the notice of people on this **** piece of sorry excuse for a website.

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ISIS and Alqaeda before them and others are takfiri groups, khawariji, NOTHING to do with wahabism or salafi, stop listening to right wing fear/disinformation mongers and fox news…

If you care so much about the topic, stop posting/speaking and start listening:

Most of the above studied in Saudi and last one is Ahle Hadith/wahabi…

Of course, serious topics demand serious research and that requires serious time and work and it is much easier to come here and write few lines and vent about some *sect *which you may or may not know anything about. The problem at hand is much more than just some sect and it is not even about that sect at all or their teachings.

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Pfft! They're not going to deport us. They're going to put us in internment camps. It's happened before to other minorities and it might happen again, especially if the next president is a Republican.