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Saudi Arab fanboys and fangirls should be the last people to lecture anyone on humiliation. Refugees are also from Yemen we all know who's doing the aerial bombing there.
The refugees from Syria are also Iraqis who fled Iraq War to come to Syria. Who provided the air base to all evil America to completely flatten Iraq - dear Saudi Arabia. The enemy and fitna within the Muslim world.
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Saudi Arabs fanboys and fangirls should be the last people to lecture anyone on humiliation. Refugees are also from Yemen who know who's doing the aerial bombing there.
The refugees from Syria are also Iraqis who fled Iraq War to come to Syria. Who provided the air base to all evil America to bomb attack - dear Saudi Arabia. The enemy and fitna within the Muslim world.
actually, IS has benefited from world's disunity over policies on Syria which meant that countries such as Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey were able to suppy weapons and fighters for anti-Assad rebels that eventually found it's way to IS that has become a dominent force in area. Europe esp. US UK and France kept a blind eye to this support for several years 'coz they want Assad's removal.
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And I think they are equally guilty for this. They should have used their influence earlier instead of supporting rebel groups. France too supported then, in past she has invited many rebel leaders to Paris. This policy is somewhat responsible for present crises.
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‘White people’ ^^ LOL. Which part of Islam tells us to be racist btw? 
And Last i checked Obama wasnt a white so is it ok if people want to be in the good books of Obama or Ben Carson? Just asking 
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No Psyah Sorry that wasnt the only thing Hareem was saying. But i know despite your relationship i address both of you separately. Now what you have said above is actually right in terms of starting a new narrative. But for that first thing we need to do is come out of conspiracy theories. Believe the facts that are in front of us. And the fact is that there are bad guyz within us who are trying to be violent and produce more harm than good. These people should be marked and thrown out from ourselves cuz they have done nothing but the damage of the worst kind.
What i’m against is labelling anyone as wahabi/salafi etc rather its just that bad guyz are bad, they dont belong to any particular part of religion cuz they are using, actually abusing religion and thats it.
For example, when Charlie habdeau attack was done, it was the first sign that the terrorists are out there. We all have to condemn that attack. Give credit to France and Germany that despite that attack they still admitted refugees. And then the train attack happened where the US ex-service man became the hero with attacking the terrorists. And now this. So if someone thinks we should keep hiding somewhere without finding the black sheep among us, its absurd. We’ve to get out and say that we are against violence of all kiind, our religion is being hijacked and used by bad people and we’ll find those bad guyz and help govts in punishing them as well. Whats wrong in this narrative?
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If gulf states were racist they wouldnt allow so many Indians everywhere. Seriously, still no comments on US states banning Syrian refugees?
And what rights are given to the immigrants in gulf vs. the west?
Btw, the governors can give opinions but can't really interfere with a federal refugee program.
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Please discuss the issue without indulging in personal attacks.
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Peace SID_NY
We cannot let the media dictate to us … We are quick to take blame or give it out, but I’m saying we need to take on the duty of checking, verifying and finding root causes all before we condemn anyone.
Perfect example … People want to blame Salafism … But after reading about the parents of the Paris bomber being more concerned about selling drugs and that he never went to mosque and another site saying that sold his share in a bar … I am quizzed with why religious Muslims have to take the blame for this when you can’t exactly know who are the terrorists in the mosques, because the real ones are probably doing a drug deal a few streets down.
Two Suspects Sold Bar in Brussels Not Long Before Paris Attacks - WSJ
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It's not that we are doing what the media tells us. It's about doing what's right.
Exposing people who are misusing our religion to give us a bad name = right thing to do. You're saving lives and you're saving the reputation of Muhammad (saw).
When someone makes a cartoon just depicting Muhammad (SAW), they are offended.
When people smear crap on the image of Islam in the public eye by committing mass murders and terrorizing innocent people, then they are not offended??
So who or what do you worship? A name of Muhammad (SAW)?
Or his teachings and Allah's Word in the Quran?
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It's not that we are doing what the media tells us. It's about doing what's right.
Exposing people who are misusing our religion to give us a bad name = right thing to do. You're saving lives and you're saving the reputation of Muhammad (saw).
When someone makes a cartoon just depicting Muhammad (SAW), they are offended. When people smear crap on the image of Islam in the public eye by committing mass murders and terrorizing innocent people, then they are not offended??
So who or what do you worship? A name of Muhammad (SAW)?
Or his teachings and Allah's Word in the Quran?
So PCG ... Which people do you personally know that you can expose? If you don't know anyone and yet still expect there to be some then that is exactly falling into the media trap. I mean how on earth do the media "know" these things anyway? They have even less exposure to these alleged black sheep than the remaining Muslims ...
The media is involved in the biggest smear campaign on Islam and if you really want to expose anti-Islamic ideas start with the media and then walk far off to the fringes of our community where you might meet some drug dealers and alcohol consumers, multiple sexual partner perverts sitting in a bar who happen to be born in Muslim families, have never been to a mosque, but get radicalised and climb the bandwagon of jihad in order to fuel their already violent temperaments. But to say we will find such people buried deep within the core Islamic community merely demonstrates that such people who think this are themselves unaware of their own Muslim community. Sooner believe the media than go and open their eyes and see their own community members.
I assure you ... you will not find one person you know as a candidate for being a terrorist and if you do know one then follow them around and see that you might be wasting your time.
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Its very less about media than acknowledging the reality.
How long will we keep blaming media for everything?
What happened in Paris and before that, was not fiction, not a gossip, not a hollywood movie. It did happen in real.
And I’ve already that i’m into labelling anyone as salafi/deobandi/barelvi etc
Now think from a normal French citizen’s perspective. He doesnt care if the terrorist went to a mosque or no. He wont even pay attention to that. All he knows that time after time a certain number of people attack somewhere on the name of only one religion. So all he knows now is that, there is something wrong with this religion.
Now what? Now everyone is vocal against Islam. And all peace-loving immigrant muslim families are either prone to the vandalism or hiding waiting somewhere for this storm to end. Nobody, absolutely nobody else has hurt muslims as much as they have hurt themselves. Time to acknowledge this fact and time to standup and say we wont allow anyone use our religion and do the most inhuman acts.
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Hareem when did I say all wahabis. I was talking about the majority, there are always exceptions to every rule. Muslims fighting each other is not something new. It has been happening since the time of Prophet Mohammad (saw).
When it became a matter of life amd death, mecca was conquered. Then abu sufyan accepted islam. When Abu sufyan went to prophet for allegiance, Prophet turned away his face from him. Abu sufyan and the likes accepted islam but there hearts were full of hatred and jealousy. Which is still evident. Then in the next generation, yazid fought with Imam Hussain, that was the war between the good and the evil, the virtue and the vice, the truth and falsehood. Wahabies are notorious to no end. Its time for sunnis to wake up.
I didn't realize Yazid was a student of Ibn Wahhab. And as far as I know, a majority of Saudi citizens follow the Hanbali school of thought and fiqh. Imam Ahmed bin Hanbal being one of the greatest scholars of Ahlus Sunnah. Doesn't that make them "sunnis" too? I'm just trying to get clarity.
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I'm more interested in comments by US guppies about half of US states banning Syrian refugees.
A governer has no lawful means to dictate a federal immigration policy. States do not have the Constitutional right to over rule the federal government on a matter such as this.
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@hareem01 Mayor Rawlings: It’s ‘the spirit of Dallas’ to help resettle Syrian refugees | | Dallas Morning News
I can't figure out how someone can be against the US but pro-Saudi/Gulf countries.
It makes no sense.
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Onky the rethug party leaders (not all) for the most are against Syrian refugees. President Obama has stated Syrian refugees are welcome. Senator Elizabeth Warren tore into the trolls that were against the Syrian refugees.
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Krispy Christie bellowed against the Syrian refugees.
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I'm more interested in comments by US guppies about half of US states banning Syrian refugees. Not too long ago how everyone was up in arms against Saudi for not lptaking Syrian refugees which was a false news anyway.
Yeah give away the muslims in the mosques and that may guarantee you not beng kicked out of America.
State does not have the power to ban refugees. Once the refugees are in, in any state, they can freely move around in the US. State Governors are just picking up conservative voters by rambling all their BS which has no true effect.
Meanwhile, Saudia Arabia is still not taking any refugees
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I'm more interested in comments by US guppies about half of US states banning Syrian refugees. Not too long ago how everyone was up in arms against Saudi for not lptaking Syrian refugees which was a false news anyway.
**Yeah give away the muslims in the mosques and that may guarantee you not beng kicked out of America.
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and I would gladly give away muslims in mosques if they are spreading and ensuing hate speech against anyone or plan on harming anyone. And no, we are citizens and there is a rule of law ... you have to be guilty beyond a reasonable doubt to be prosecuted and probably jailed or hanged rather than being deported.
Saudia deports because they don't give citizenship no matter how much blood and sweat you give them. So those people are the ones that would get deported
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Saudis are not sincere to anyone. The salafies of the gulf states look down upon the salafies of India and Pakistan. This is because, the indian deobandis were heavily influenced by syed sufis who migrated from Persia to india. The deobandis of India and Pakistan are little better than their middle eastern counterparts, who are complete savages