I don't think you have the right to speak on behalf of others and generalize. I know so many niqaabi sisters that wear the veil because they want to, NOT because they're forced!!
You can't base you decision on some 5-10 girls and punish the rest!!
What are you going to do...punish the girls for being modest?? It's okay to exploit females, but it's a crime to cover them and protect them??
Why are the muslims being targeted? Y not the other religious symbols ??!!
I have niqaabis in my classes, and the teachers love them!! They have no problem communicating with them, and they say they're one of the best students in the class!!
A simple piece of cloth doesn't make you become illiterate or backward..anybody who does...needs to broaden their mind.
Banning the niqaab is simply impeding on women's right!
And Jazak Allah khair to everyone that voted NO!
Punish the girls? Letting them have normal conversations with people is not punishing them.
It's not just a simple piece of cloth.. get real !
Nobody is targetting muslims specifically.|Sikhs should not be allowed to carry a dagger wherever they want.
Psyah.. I'm still waiting to hear some practical reasons for the burqa.
Peace sharaabee
I personally believe that burqa is more than the required minimum, however, the purpose of the burqa is to create a barrier between people who the woman does not know from her pride and dignity.
That is to say they will look at her and not judge her looks, her hair style, size her body up, look at her breasts, get jealous of her, attracted to her, and in most cases not harm her.
The practical reason for the burqa is that it minimises perverts from taking advantage. It also means less people will be distracted, which will cause less accidents. The reason why you don't find it 'practical' is because your definition of practical does not include the term 'barrier', of course you and us both say the 'burqa' is a barrier ... so it is fulfilling its design purpose.
Punish the girls? Letting them have normal conversations with people is not punishing them.
It's not just a simple piece of cloth.. get real !
Nobody is targetting muslims specifically.|Sikhs should not be allowed to carry a dagger wherever they want.
That's your opinion! If the girls wearing it don't have a problem, then why r u so concerned?!! Are you one of the oppressors that hides behind the flag of freedom?!!
Mate, all I'm saying is that, the girls should be given the freedom of choice!
Bro, that "not so simple piece of cloth" certainly doesn't hinder the girls in their daily work.
What do you fight for...oppression or freedom?
Yes, Muslims are being targeted!!
Sikhs shouldn't be allowed eh... Well, they are and no one is stopping them!!
I personally believe that burqa is more than the required minimum, however, the purpose of the burqa is to create a barrier between people who the woman does not know from her pride and dignity.
That is to say they will look at her and not judge her looks, her hair style, size her body up, look at her breasts, get jealous of her, attracted to her, and in most cases not harm her.
The practical reason for the burqa is that it minimises perverts from taking advantage. It also means less people will be distracted, which will cause less accidents. The reason why you don't find it 'practical' is because your definition of practical does not include the term 'barrier', of course you and us both say the 'burqa' is a barrier ... so it is fulfilling its design purpose.
Psyah.. thank you for a honest response.. and not just blindly attacking me because I have a different opinion like some others have.
The required minimum you mention is based on your interpretation of Islam. For a non-believer (in any religion) like me you can imagine how that angle doesn't work.
The part about it's required so that people don't judge her based on her looks or attack her etc etc. Aren't we punishing the girl because of men's perversion? Is that really fair? Why shouldn't guys do the same thing? Why should guys have to be judged based on their looks? Or risk other women get attracted to him or cause trouble? We all know women can cause a lot of trouble too :) Not as extreme or voilent like men can (rape, sexual assault etc).. but trouble nevertheless.
It's true.. it does prevent perverts from taking advantage... but I think it's a big sacrifice or punishment for the women to go through all her life..just because there are perverts out there. I am pretty certain burqa clad women have gotten raped too. What's next? Box them in the basement?
Psyah.. thank you for a honest response.. and not just blindly attacking me because I have a different opinion like some others have.
*The required minimum you mention is based on your interpretation of Islam. For a non-believer (in any religion) like me you can imagine how that angle doesn't work. *
The part about it's required so that people don't judge her based on her looks or attack her etc etc. Aren't we punishing the girl because of men's perversion? Is that really fair? Why shouldn't guys do the same thing? Why should guys have to be judged based on their looks? Or risk other women get attracted to him or cause trouble? We all know women can cause a lot of trouble too :) Not as extreme or voilent like men can (rape, sexual assault etc).. but trouble nevertheless.
It's true.. it does prevent perverts from taking advantage... but I think it's a big sacrifice or punishment for the women to go through all her life..just because there are perverts out there. I am pretty certain burqa clad women have gotten raped too. What's next? Box them in the basement?
Thanks for your views either way. Peace indeed.
Who is asking or imposing it on non-believers in Austalia or France?
All it means that women should be allowed to wear hijab or niqab if they want to. Let them decide if they want to show you face or not in conversation.
If you feel it is rude for them not letting you see their faces. Tough! Get your mind checked out by a shrink.
For security reason it should be fine to show face, but other than that it should be their choice.
Psyah.. thank you for a honest response.. *and not just blindly attacking me because I have a different opinion like some others have. *
The required minimum you mention is based on your interpretation of Islam. For a non-believer (in any religion) like me you can imagine how that angle doesn't work.
The part about it's required so that people don't judge her based on her looks or attack her etc etc. Aren't we punishing the girl because of men's perversion? Is that really fair? Why shouldn't guys do the same thing? Why should guys have to be judged based on their looks? Or risk other women get attracted to him or cause trouble? We all know women can cause a lot of trouble too :) Not as extreme or voilent like men can (rape, sexual assault etc).. but trouble nevertheless.
It's true.. it does prevent perverts from taking advantage... but I think it's a big sacrifice or punishment for the women to go through all her life..just because there are perverts out there. I am pretty certain burqa clad women have gotten raped too. What's next? Box them in the basement?
Thanks for your views either way. Peace indeed.
No one is attacking you. You just have to realize, it's one thing to give your opinion, and it's another to impose it on someone! Simple!! :D
TJP and Diwana..my last comment was regarding the discussion on the practical uses of the burqa.. your "this is how it is in Islam.. let them do it" adds nothing to that discussion.
Psyah.. thank you for a honest response.. and not just blindly attacking me because I have a different opinion like some others have.
The required minimum you mention is based on your interpretation of Islam. For a non-believer (in any religion) like me you can imagine how that angle doesn't work.
The part about it's required so that people don't judge her based on her looks or attack her etc etc. Aren't we punishing the girl because of men's perversion? Is that really fair? Why shouldn't guys do the same thing? Why should guys have to be judged based on their looks? Or risk other women get attracted to him or cause trouble? We all know women can cause a lot of trouble too :) Not as extreme or voilent like men can (rape, sexual assault etc).. but trouble nevertheless.
It's true.. it does prevent perverts from taking advantage... but I think it's a big sacrifice or punishment for the women to go through all her life..just because there are perverts out there. I am pretty certain burqa clad women have gotten raped too. What's next? Box them in the basement?
Thanks for your views either way. Peace indeed.
Peace sharaabee
A person who is serious about their religious affiliation should know their 'requirements' whether they fulfil them or not is not a matter for me to decide, nor for the government to impose.
I was just saying that some Muslims consider niqab+burqa a requirement, but this is considered by most Muslims as above the minimum requirement for Muslim women, however, it is allowed to be done if the woman so chooses.
You ask about punishing the 'girl' because of 'men's' perversion. I think it is protecting the girl from the perversion. On the other hand men are instructed to lower their gazes and not stare at women by doing the contrary we create a culture which increases perversion. Men are also required to cover much of their bodies in Islam. Both are required to cover sufficient amounts so as not to attract sexual attention. This will obviously be less for men than for women.
Yes burqa clad women have been sexually attacked, usually this is when they are by themselves and vunerable and there will always be perverts, but the ideas in Islam are to curb and address the majority of society not the fringe elements. These elements are to be dealt with by other means such as the penal system.
TJP and Diwana..my last comment was regarding the discussion on the practical uses of the burqa.. your "this is how it is in Islam.. let them do it" adds nothing to that discussion.
Read my post again.
Did I even refer to Islam?
I merely talked about the freedom of choice. So no need to keep bringing religion as far as I am concerned.
Secondly, who cares what you feel about practicality or not.
If they choose to do it and happy with it then why you worry? :)
