VOTE-NO Burka Ban in Australia

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These countries were also "democracies" when the majority of their citizens didn't want their troops to go to war that an other country started...but the troops were sent there anyway...democracy...LOL

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zap.. you do realize that in a democracy not every decision is taken by a public vote.. right?

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Then you should know that these countries aren't democracies but republics...right? So start calling them that.

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zap.. are you proposing that in democracies every decision should be made by a public vote?

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Lobby to ban the vote ... Why should we have to put an issue such as "dignified clothing" to vote? To even suggest that such an issue of "personal human right" is subject to vote is a breach in the equality of human rights.

It is not considered dignified to be naked in public, but society is getting something wrong when it wants to ban the cover and allow semi-nudity. If the burqa is being put to vote then so should the hat and gloves be put to vote. It is absurd to ban something like these based on public opinion.

I say don't vote at all ... Public opinion polls of this kind should always have public opinion counter polls, this is different to say no in the poll, but rather it is saying that you have "no right to put this issue to vote".

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Peace sharaabee

Why do you want the burqa banned?

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psyah.. to summarize.. it causes a lot of women being pressured into it... it causes unfriendly and abnormal social interactions.. no face to face conversations.. but face to curtain ones...

also.. it makes absolutely no sense to me.

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PS - I love the peace greeting.

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So you have three points:

It causes a lot of women being pressured into it

A) The veil is not to be blamed for women being pressured. If anything should be banned it should be those people "who pressure women to wear it". It is not a reasonable thing to do to ban an item of clothing purely because people enforce it, mostly husbands. Rather a law should be set against them saying "if a husband forces his wife to wear the veil he could get a penalty or his wife may refuse on civil liberty grounds without incursion" this is a better and more 'logical' law surely.

It causes unfriendly abnormal and social interactions

A) Again the people who become unfriendly both the wearer of the veil or the person talking to the wearer it is their fault not the fault of the veil. I have seen and had many conversations with women in veil without any problems.

It makes absolutely no sense to you

A) Usually people who are confused about something tend to harbour a 'dislike' for it. Furthermore, when people learn about something they tend to 'understand' what it is about. Again the item of cloth has no fault on your lack of 'sense' that you make for it.

Why is it, do you think, that you have been prevented from 'seeing' the unfairness of the condemnation of a piece of cloth worn in certain way? If biochemistry makes no sense to me, it doesn't mean that it should be banned. Who would give you such thoughts?

PS Peace :)

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Psyah.. my post was just a short summary.. did not include all the reasons or explanations.. but I guess now I must elaborate a bit more..

1) you are right that banning the burqa is not going to get rid of the oppression or pressure muslim girls go through.. but it IS causing a lot of the pressure.. I personally know of way too many muslims girls who either unhappily wear it because of family pressure (not just hubby) or have given it up but face constant taunts about it. my reasoning for point 3 will supplement this.. that the burqa in general does not make sense.. and is causing oppression of women.. i only see negative influence..

2) facial expressions is a major part of face to face communication.. whenever I have had to talk to a burqa girl I feel that the conversation is handicapped.. so this does cause an unfriendly scenario.. maybe a muslim from saudi is used to it.. but 99% ppl in western countries are not.. they find it unfriendly and rude.. it causes way too many complications when these women go to public faces like in a mall when they are in line.. or at the bank.. or any other public office..

3) I have not attempted to understand biochemistry.. so I will stay away from trying to make decisions in that industry.. but this is a social phenomenon.. I am fully aware of the reasons used by people who want the burqa to be there.. and I don't agree with them.. it does not make sense....this is what I meant.. this is not the same as me voicing my views on biochemistry..

Please do not cite religious books or verses... I am not religious.. so that would be a waste.. Can you give me any practical reasons of why the burqa should exist?

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may i know where you're located?

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toronto

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are you sure your talking about niqab and not hijab when saying *"I personally know of way too many muslims girls who either unhappily wear it because of family pressure (not just hubby) or have given it up but face constant taunts about it."
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how many girls is that?

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Astaghfirullah at some of the comments. And where the heck is the link?

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WHAT??? i'm sorry but last time i checked, just coz majority agrees on something, doesn't mean it's a democracy.. democracy is equal rights and freedom for EVERYONE regardless of race, religion or creed..

P.S i suggest u research before talking about something.. in this case, being democracy.. google democracy

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cricket.. yes im not talking about hijab (although the hijabans face similar family pressure taunts etc etc)...

perhaps "way too many girls" was slightly exaggerated.. because im only talking about 8-10... some of them through direct interaction... some through my gf (who is muslim.. hence plenty of niqabi and hijabi friends cousins and relatives)..

also i know how desi families are.. any girl who was raised thinking the hijab or the niqab is a requirement.. if she dares to give it up she will definitely face (although with varying intensity) taunts and abuse..

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no we don't.

exaggeration... thats correct!

no sweetheart.

OP: Can u put the link up on the first post, please?

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^ http://au.news.yahoo.com/polls/popup/-/poll_id/55404

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^ thank you.

I voted No.

And now I'm out of this scary forum.

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sharaabee, I'm sorry to say, but you're wrong.

I don't think you have the right to speak on behalf of others and generalize. I know so many niqaabi sisters that wear the veil because they want to, NOT because they're forced!!
You can't base you decision on some 5-10 girls and punish the rest!!

What are you going to do...punish the girls for being modest?? It's okay to exploit females, but it's a crime to cover them and protect them??

Why are the muslims being targeted? Y not the other religious symbols ??!!

I have niqaabis in my classes, and the teachers love them!! They have no problem communicating with them, and they say they're one of the best students in the class!!

A simple piece of cloth doesn't make you become illiterate or backward..anybody who does...needs to broaden their mind.

Banning the niqaab is simply impeding on women's right!

And Jazak Allah khair to everyone that voted NO!