Assalam O Alaikum
Question…Is it harma for women to visit graves/graveyards???..
None of the women in my family go to graves, since they were told/read (as in my mom’s case) that it’s HARAM…so is this true???
Thanx
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Whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day, let him say what is good or remain silent.
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I have heard over and over again that it is 'NOT' haram for a woman to go to a grave site, but it is haram for a woman to go to the burring. A woman can not go when they are burring someone. Hey thats what I have heard.
Did that make sense? Sorry if my spelling mistakes are too much.
hmmm..
thanx for tryin'...
Whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day, let him say what is good or remain silent.
-The Holy Prophet Muhammad(PBUH)
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This is what I found...hope it helps:
Paying visits by Muslim men to cemeteries is a practice of the sunnah, and it reminds one of his destiny so that he may strive for it. As the Prophet (peace be upon him) said:
"I [once] had forbid you from visiting graves, [and I now enjoin] you to do so, so that the visit may serve as a beneficial reminder." (related by Muslim and others)
and in the version of al-Haakim:
"… for [such visits] soften the heart, bring tears to the eyes, and serve as a reminder of the Hereafter, [but be careful] not to speak forbidden expressions *." (Sahih al-Jaami' 4584)
Concerning visits to cemeteries by women, scholars have varied opinions on this issue:
it is allowed or preferred and their case is similar to that of men
it is makrooh (reprehensible), which is the opinion of jumhoor ul-'ulemaa' (the majority of the scholars)
it is forbidden, this one probably being the strongest opinion, as indicated by al-hadith al-sahih in which the Prophet (peace be upon him) said:
"Allaah has cursed women who frequent graves," related by Ahmed and Tirmidhi and Ibn Maajah and in one version,
"Allaah has cursed women who visit graves and those who build mosques and place lights upon them." (related by Abu Dawood, al-Tirmidhi, al-Nisaa'i and al-Haakim)
This condemnation would warrant the validity of the argument against women visiting cemeteries as the lawmaker (i.e. Allaah) would not condemn something that is permissible or reprehensible—only that which is forbidden completely.
Regarding what would be the reason for this condemnation, the scholars have cited two main arguments:
Firstly, that women for the most part are emotionally weaker in accepting calamities and perhaps being in sight of her dear one's graves may break into wailing and loud weeping, which would be detrimental to her religious character and harmful for her body as well.
Secondly, cemeteries are oftentimes isolated places which may not be safe for someone being alone, possibly exposing a woman to people of corrupt or loose moral character.
In summary, the rationale behind this prohibition is that women are often not as strong emotionally in the face of calamities, and not visiting graves prevents them from the trial and from being exposed to unnecessary fitnah.
Allaah the Most Knowledgeable knows what is most correct and best.
Islam Q&A (www.islam-qa.com)*
Birdy, Majestic meant burying.
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Well I read a book on Islam where it stated that women are not allowed and that Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) forbid woman to do so.
*“na maiN momin vich masiitaaN, na maiN muusaa, na fir’aun!”
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Originally posted by Ali_R:
** Well I read a book on Islam where it stated that women are not allowed and that Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) forbid woman to do so.
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I do remember coming across something similar. I think it was probably a hadith.... not too sure though, but i've heard women are forbidden to visit grave yards
"I put my trust in Allah, my Lord and your Lord! There is not a moving creature, but He has a grasp of its forelock. Verily, my Lord is on the straight path. (The truth)"
(11:55-56)
Thanx guys..
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JazakAllah khair..
Whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day, let him say what is good or remain silent.
-The Holy Prophet Muhammad(PBUH)
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Oopps! u r rite Ali_R thanx
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hmm..sorry Majestic..hehe
Whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day, let him say what is good or remain silent.
-The Holy Prophet Muhammad(PBUH)
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Originally posted by Sadiaa:
** I do remember coming across something similar. I think it was probably a hadith.... not too sure though, but i've heard women are forbidden to visit grave yards
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Yep, it was related to a hadith.
“na maiN* momin vich masiitaa*N, na maiN* muusaa, na fir'aun!”
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There was a time several years ago when I was forced to investigate this matter in “grave” detail.
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The only logical (yes, I believe Islam to be a religion based on a large degree of logic) explanation that I could arrive at was that it is forbidden for women to visit grave sites when they are “vulnerable” (at a time of burial when they may be prone to uncontrollable emotional outburts which would put their modesty at risk) and potentially at times when they are, technically, in an “impure” state (this stems to from the basis that women do not offer salat when they are menstruating).
Allah knows best.
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Ditto what M-baji said.
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why the not? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard!
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stick around.. you'd hear the most absurdest of allegations to the Prophet, which ignorant masses embrace as religion, sending their logic on vacation and pack away their copies of the Qur'an in a Juzdaan as baggage.
The Prophet was NOT allowed to make things Haram or Halaal
(at-Tahrim 66:1) O Prophet! Why bannest thou that which Allah hath made lawful for thee, seeking to please thy wives ? And Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
And for those who are eager to issue 'fatwas' on this is wrong or that is haraam.
(an-Nahl 16:116) But say not - for any false thing that your tongues may put forth,-"This is lawful, and this is forbidden," so as to ascribe false things to God. For those who ascribe false things to God, will never prosper
(Yunus 10:59) Say, "Did you note how GOD sends down to you all kinds of provisions, then you render some of them unlawful, and some lawful?" Say, "Did GOD give you permission to do this? Or, do you fabricate lies and attribute them to GOD?"
[Yunus 10:60] Does it ever occur to those who fabricate lies about GOD that they will have to face Him on the Day of Resurrection? Certainly, GOD showers the people with His grace, but most of them are unappreciative.
May Allah Guide us in the right path and forgive our wrongdoing on our souls for declaring haraam what HE has NOT declared Haraam for us.
These are GOD's revelations that we recite to you truthfully. In which Hadith other than GOD and His revelations do they believe?(45:6)
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Originally posted by PakistaniAbroad:
** stick around.. you'd hear the most absurdest of allegations to the Prophet, which ignorant masses embrace as religion, sending their logic on vacation and pack away their copies of the Qur'an in a Juzdaan as baggage.
The Prophet was NOT allowed to make things Haram or Halaal
(at-Tahrim 66:1) O Prophet! Why bannest thou that which Allah hath made lawful for thee, seeking to please thy wives ? And Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
And for those who are eager to issue 'fatwas' on this is wrong or that is haraam.
(an-Nahl 16:116) But say not - for any false thing that your tongues may put forth,-"This is lawful, and this is forbidden," so as to ascribe false things to God. For those who ascribe false things to God, will never prosper
(Yunus 10:59) Say, "Did you note how GOD sends down to you all kinds of provisions, then you render some of them unlawful, and some lawful?" Say, "Did GOD give you permission to do this? Or, do you fabricate lies and attribute them to GOD?"
[Yunus 10:60] Does it ever occur to those who fabricate lies about GOD that they will have to face Him on the Day of Resurrection? Certainly, GOD showers the people with His grace, but most of them are unappreciative.
May Allah Guide us in the right path and forgive our wrongdoing on our souls for declaring haraam what HE has NOT declared Haraam for us.
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PA, you mean that what I have read is wrong and the author of the book is an Ignorant and so am I?
Do you have proof? Something mentioned about that in Quran or Hadith which makes my post irrelevant?
Note that Hazrat Umer (a.s) was the one who "banned" mutha'a. If I'm not wrong, it is even mentioned in Quran.
What about that?
I know that Shias still consider it, whereas Sunnis don't.
“na maiN* momin vich masiitaa*N, na maiN* muusaa, na fir'aun!”
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Sarah, Please read my post above. When matter has been settle by Allah and his messenger, our job is to obey it and not question it. Thats true obedience to Islam and Allah's will.
Ali, where in Quraan? Mutah was banned by Prophet himself when its need was over. There are plenty of authentic ahadeeths prohibiting Muta'h.
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*Ali, where in Quraan? Mutah was banned by Prophet himself when its need was over. There are plenty of authentic ahadeeths prohibiting Muta'h. *
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Well I think it's in Quraan....I hope some one can provide proof. Okay let's say it was banned by Prophet (pbuh) himself, but that makes P.A even as angry as before.
“na maiN* momin vich masiitaa*N, na maiN* muusaa, na fir'aun!”
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PA, you mean that what I have read is wrong and the author of the book is an Ignorant and so am I?
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Not everything we read is true. History has many versions and the books of Hadith should be treated as History Books.
Allah's system is infallible. He gave us commandments in His Book. If he intended to allow other such commandments by Prophets to overrule and override the commandments in His Book, he'd have promised and ensured that such commands are also preserved with the accuracy of the Qur'an.
Both of us know that's not true. Allah only gurantees the protection of the Qur'an. So that's the only TRUE Book, the TRUE word of Allah that reached us through his Prophet.
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Do you have proof? Something mentioned about that in Quran or Hadith which makes my post irrelevant?
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When someone innovates, the burden of proof is on them. Allah's Book DOES NOT have ANY instruction barring women from visiting graves. Read The Book and absorb the 'spirit' of the Book. It's about equality of sexes, and their defined roles. It's not about being oppressive to women.
Not all women go and weep loudly or create scenes in graveyards. Western women just act like any of the men when they visit the graves.
Commandments alleged to the Prophet hence are debunked on their own when reasonable people find them contrary to nature and more suitable for a 7th century society when they were concocted.
Allah's message is a message for all times and places. It HAS to be a universally appealing and attractive message. And it is.. till the Hadith thumpers bring in unreliable 7th century medieval Arabia historical records and reinterpret the whole Qur'an incorrectly trying to prove Hadiths right.
That is so untrue. Ahadith have their own sytem of compliation, a very strict one. If you are not aware of it then I think you should go and consult someone. The system is so strong that a hadith is not considered if one of the links in the chain of "Rawi" has a slightly doubtful character. All Islamic scholars agree on "Sahah-e-Sitta" and if you don't agree with these compilations then you should first tell why.
It is not possible to be a good Muslim without following what Hazrat Muhammad (saw) said or exhibited. I hope everyone is aware of this verse in Quran, "(O Muhammad (saw)) say if you love Allah then obey me, then Allah will love you". (I can't remember the chapter and verse number, you can confirm that if you want to).
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