On the contrary they both be considered masterbation unless one is doing it on the phone or webcam with a live person on the other side . No ?
if you are using your virtual memory then yes ....
My bad yes , varoom suggested that. Muta is not allowed
i didnt suggest muta
its an exaggeration of a mind thats been bombarded by over sexualisation. instead of over emphasising sex to your wife by engaging in over the phone or web sexualised activities (thus further creating an over emphasised environment)** just do the new muta*. *edited
i didnt suggest muta
No problem , I think you meant a new nikah ?
Peace bro Mirch
This is funny ... it is not really 'virtual' it is in actual fact just assisted masturbation. So the rules for this will probably follow what the muftis have said regarding masturbation. As for the wife part it cannot be any one else. It would be similar in that respect to foreplay.
Masturbation is not allowed?
Re: Virtual sex with wife.
ohkayyyyyyyy.. 
Masturbation is not allowed?
Peace TeenDabbyWala
The generality of it ... not allowed, but there are conditions in what muftis have discussed, that I care not to derail this thread with.
What is the differnce between 'Virtual sex with wife' and 'Sex with virtual wife'?
Dunno ... but they both sound frustrating!
You will be surprised soon .:) I am not a female look at my avatar. Did you not read the part which says it is just a discussion and thaks Allah that I can keep my annonymity and talk on any subject at GS comfortably. Don't forget to check some of my very innocent threads from my profile.
So back to Teggy's question. Is dirty talk allowed between husband and wife ? Provide references please.
Peace again
Dirty talk? With anyone it is discouraged, but permissibility can really be only with wife. Talking about ones 'dirty' thoughts creates an action which is subject to judgment.
Now I can give no reference because I have given my reasoning not my verdict, for which I am not qualified to give.
Re: Virtual sex with wife.
Interesting topic Mirch, I see it from a different point of view. Once you are married to the right person you don't have sex with them; you make love with them.
Now while having VS with wife is possible but making love is not. I would rather wait for the real thing.
But still an interesting question.
Like a wise man once said... Haripur Hazara - edited] ------ pe guzara.
I think the question is a no brainer. What is ur question?? can husband and wife engage in phone and video sex? well if they can engage in the real thing, I'm sure there are no problems with phone or video. If they both want it, so be it. If its about should or shouldnt, well, you do what you want behind closed doors, why worry about should or shouldnt? no one else cares.
Ah, the plan worked.
So now, can someone tell me why writing stuff in urdu is considered much worse than in english. You can discuss masturbation till the cows come home but god forbid, dont use a word representing masturbation in urdu because that just seems alot more rude and loose I guess. So who wants to open a thread on this??? 
LOL , that is a good observation. I wonder about that too, desi do not get offended if you use english slangs for private body parts but if you use Urdu or Punjabi slangs then it is a big taboo.
Re: Virtual sex with wife.
I just provide avenues of opportunities to you guys to discuss things in more appropriate manner. Welcome to open a new thread… :halo:
just do not use urdu/punjabi terms explicitly - they are considered offensive specially by our female posters 
Then is it not time to segregage men and women forums ? Women will be more than welcome to participate in men forums and threads , if they wanted to but at their own risk.
Just kidding. I know it will not happen and every body is already getting ready to jump at my throat for saying what I said.
Re: Virtual sex with wife.
more men on this thread.
let's change this around for women to do so with men.
how would that be entertained emotionally by men?
any reflective souls~!!!
more men on this thread. let's change this around for women to do so with men. how would that be entertained emotionally by men?
any reflective souls~!!!
Dushi jee it can be a two way street , who said that VS is just for husband ?
Re: Virtual sex with wife.
unethical rubbish ought not to be even shared like this at all.. sorry to see, some got cheesy kicks out of it too.
shameful.
my suggestion, close this obnoxiously demeaning thread.
Relax. This is what we have been discussing in this thread , is it ethical , is it allowed ? It is all for educational purposes, no body here is having any cheap thrills here.
Why I opened this thread ? Because of these threads.
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=286801&highlight=long+distance+marriage
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=287547&highlight=long+distance+marriage
New situations, new technology , new problems, new questions.
If I ask this question to a mufti do you think he will declare me a pervert and kick me out of his room , I don’t think so. How can you doubt sincerity of my intentions , of all the poeple how can you loose your temper and be so judgmental ?
You are the one who asked these questions:
“let’s change this around for women to do so with men.
how would that be entertained emotionally by men?”
and you dared:
“any reflective souls~!!!”
And when I dared to answer you lost control of your temper.
Re: Virtual sex with wife.
laahool wala quwat
phew!
wow guys i cant believe i am really reading this all coming from Pakistani guys…ways to go on open discuessions…
lol KnokoutArtist i came to this thread becuase of you 
…man what were you reading sharm nahi ayeee
Niksik baji i am totally impressed by the way you talk. and obvious i totally agree with you.