Virtual Fateha

Cool idea. Now people can offer Fateha over the internet.

“Our graveyard is so pretty that it is to die for,” said Syed Mohammed Alam Zaidi, caretaker of the Wadi-a-Hussain cemetery near the southern Pakistani city of Karachi.

“It sprawls an area of 12 acres, and we have capacity for 57,000 graves which is enough for the next 100 years.”

But this final resting place has more than just beautiful facilities and lots of space to offer.

It also provides an interactive website - the first in Pakistan - enabling a mourner to attend the funeral of a loved one virtually. Live or recorded video streaming can be accessed using an internet terminal anywhere in the world.

The wonders of modern technology allow friends and families not able to visit the graveyard in person the opportunity to see this otherwise typical Muslim cemetery, with its rose petals, incense sticks and candles.

Allah is not dependent on the internet… but if someone needs a point of focus then there is no harm using the picture of a grave

Faiz Siddiqi
Muslim scholar
Mourning online - send your views

The technology does not stop at funerals via video streaming. The interactive website has a grave search engine, where it is possible to find graves by name or allotment number.

Once the search is done, a mourner can have all the details of the deceased including a picture of the grave.

“And then”, says Mr Zaidi the caretaker, “one can offer ‘Fateha’ - a religious offering usually read in front of the grave.”

‘Criminals and addicts’

The virtual cemetery idea was developed in 1999 with the financial support of two brothers, Shaikh Sakhawat Ali and Shaikh Yawar Ali. Now this facility is managed by a trust.

The cemetery is better managed than state-run graveyards, say its owners

“In Karachi most of the state-run graveyards are badly managed or used by criminals and drug addicts. That is precisely the reason why security and illumination are among our top priorities,” says Mr Zaidi.

All over the world, other religions offer high-tech funeral facilities but Wadi-a-Hussain is among the first virtual graveyards used by Muslims, who appear to have “faithfully” embraced the new digital technology in more ways than one.

Zeshan Haider, a student of King’s College, London, has a grandmother buried in Wadi-a-Hussain, and says it is well run.

“I am happy to know that if my great-grandchildren would like to go visit my grandmother’s grave, there won’t be someone else buried there,” he told the BBC.

Barrister Faiz Siddiqi, a Muslim scholar and principal of the Hijaz Islamic Collage, Nuneaton, UK, takes a more circumspect view.

There is no precedent for this kind of thing in Islam and it’s completely outrageous

Abdullah, Lahore
“Allah is not dependent on the internet to accept our homage to the dead,” he said, "but if someone needs a point of focus then there is no harm using the picture of a grave to offer Fateha. "In Islam we do have the concept of funeral prayers offered by people who are absent, in the same way as they did in Yasser Arafat’s case.

“Those attending virtually will be able to offer Gaibana Namaz-e-Janaza [funeral prayers in absence] - but it has to be said that nothing beats being there to say prayers in person.”

‘Thank you’

Despite all the latest facilities, the price for an individual grave at Wadi-a-Hussain is competitive at around $75 (5,000 rupees). This price includes glazed tiles and an epitaph with writing.

For about $20 more, it is possible to access web video streaming on demand.

“Yesterday’s science fiction is today’s everyday practice,” said Ghayyas Uddin Siddiqi, chairman of the Muslim Parliament of Britain. "We have learnt this much from history.

Funerals available on computers have stirred up controversy
“At present some of us might feel a bit odd but I’m sure we will become more familiar using modern technology in these sort of things, as in other areas of life.”

The virtual graveyard provoked contrasting responses from readers who wrote to the BBC to comment when news of its use first emerged on the BBC Urdu website.

“There is no precedent for this kind of thing in Islam and it’s completely outrageous,” said Abdullah in Lahore.

Others had no problem with using new technology - they argued that mosques were already using loud speakers to broadcast their message.

Adnan in the US said online cemeteries would be a great help to those living far away.

“I live in a foreign country, so I know that some people have to spend huge sums of money to buy last-minute plane tickets to see their loved ones for the last time,” he said.

“In some cases people can’t even travel because they’re students or have immigration difficulties, and for them it’s very good news. I would like to thank the people who started it.”

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Sounds ridiculous to me, what is this offering Fatiha for the dead thing anyway?

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Sounds ridiculous to me, what is this offering Fatiha for the dead thing anyway?
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Offering Fateha is pretty common practice here in Pakistan. However UK aloo store residents are free to skip the "Dua" part and go right into dissing the dead.

Sheesh anti... you are brutal.

Pretty neat idea, I must say. For those relatives who could not attend the funeral etc. People miss the departed ones in many different ways, and this could just be something that is helpful to a lot of people.

Maybe someday we can perform hajj over internet. :insha:

:lahol:

Oho.. sussti ke dher. Ticket kharedo aur ja kaa praparr hajj karo, meray bhai. Virtual ki umeed pe na baithna.

taking bid’ah and shirk a step forward…

:k:

How can praying be bidat or shirk? You're not worshipping anyone. How do you define shirk anyway?

Fateh is just some verses from Quran, how can that ever be wrong?

Is it permissible to read Qur’aan at the grave?.

Answer :

Praise be to Allaah.

Reading Qur’aan at the grave is not prescribed in Islam because there is no report that says that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did that.

The Standing Committee for Issuing Fatwas was asked: Is it permissible to read al-Faatihah or anything from the Qur’aan for the deceased when visiting his grave, and does that benefit him?

They replied:

It is proven that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to visit graves, and he would recite du’aa’s for the dead that he taught to his companions and they learned them from him. For example: “Al-salaamu ‘alaykum ahl al-diyaar min al-mu’mineen wa’l-Muslimeen, wa inna in sha Allaah bikum laahiqoon, nas’al Allaaha lana wa lakum al-‘aafiyah (Peace be upon you, O people of the dwellings, believers and Muslims. If Allaah wills we will join you. We ask Allaah to grant us and you safety).”

But there is no report that he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) recited a soorah of the Qur’aan or any verses thereof for the dead, even though he visited them often. If that had been prescribed, he would have done it and would have taught it to his companions, seeking the reward and out of mercy towards his ummah, and fulfilling the obligation to convey the message. For he was as Allaah described him (interpretation of the meaning):

“Verily, there has come unto you a Messenger (Muhammad) from amongst yourselves. It grieves him that you should receive any injury or difficulty. He (Muhammad) is anxious over you; for the believers (he is) full of pity, kind, and merciful”

[al-Tawbah 9:128]

The fact that he did not do that even though there were reasons why he might have done it indicates that it is not prescribed. His companions (may Allaah be pleased with them) knew that and followed in his footsteps, and they limited themselves to learning lessons and making du’aa’ for the dead when they visited them. There is no report that they read Qur’aan for the dead. For them such reading was an innovation (bid’ah), and it was proven that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever introduces anything into this matter of ours * that is not part of it will have it rejected.” Agreed upon.

From Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 9/38

And Allaah knows best.

Islam Q&A (www.islam-qa.com)*

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YUSUFALI: Nor are alike those that are living and those that are dead. Allah can make any that He wills to hear; but thou canst not make those to hear who are (buried) in graves.
PICKTHAL: Nor are the living equal with the dead. Lo! Allah maketh whom He will to hear. Thou canst not reach those who are in the graves

Only two things benefit the deceased. Dua and charity
done by aulad for the deceased.

As for people who are not with us anymore , CANNOT help us.

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How can praying be bidat or shirk? You're not worshipping anyone. How do you define shirk anyway?

Fateh is just some verses from Quran, how can that ever be wrong?
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sabah baji, go take some lessons in fiqh....
i think tawheed will come up in the very first class....

reading Quran in toilet is also not allowed....
its alo just READING QURAN.... but its wrong....
whats wrong is wrong....

Without getting into this whole bidda' and innovation debate... lets put it simply.

Those who think visiting graves of loved ones or offering fateha is bidda' will not even go to even a real grave-yard, so for them having a virtual access to pictures of these graves is a moot point.

Those many who do not subscribe to this interpretation of Islam, on the other hand, and who wish they could go to the grave of their loved ones and offer their duas and fateha, may find this new service very useful.

at the end of the day, it all comes down to money. i bet the idea of shirk and bidah never crossed their minds. Such things are pushed aside when it comes to making a buck or two.

I don't think so. Grave yards around the country allow people to come in any time and offer fatiha or put garlands over graves. This is all considered an accepted part of our culture. No one is made to pay anything to visit the graves of their loved ones. Its all free. So allowing people to offer fatiha (that some consider as biddah) has nothing to do with making money.

However, if they are providing online pictures of graves and other assorted add-ons (streaming video of funeral etc), there is obviously a cost involved in that, and who ever is providing the services will want to make a profit as well.

So, IMM, these are two separate issues.

Well put :k:

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Without getting into this whole bidda' and innovation debate... lets put it simply.

Those who think visiting graves of loved ones or offering fateha is bidda' will not even go to even a real grave-yard, so for them having a virtual access to pictures of these graves is a moot point.

Those many who do not subscribe to this interpretation of Islam, on the other hand, and who wish they could go to the grave of their loved ones and offer their duas and fateha, may find this new service very useful.
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Interpretation kis cheez kee. Koi sense tu banee.
There is no evidence for this. So Its NOT INTERPRETATION
of Islam In Anyway.

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Those who think visiting graves of loved ones or offering fateha is bidda'...
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Who said "visiting graves of loved ones" is a "bidda"?

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Who said "visiting graves of loved ones" is a "bidda"?
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Oh you have to know some of the Waha-booboo wahabis on this board. It is nothing new. Pakistan has these "anti-gravers" fighting intellectual battles with the "gravers". It is OK to have this fight until one group starts sending the other to graves rather prematurely.

Quran and Hadees can be bent in any direction (as usual) by either the gravers or their opponents. No solution is in sight during the 21st century. Let's hope we'll get out of such petty discussions in the year 2101 (won't that be kewl?).