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^ I think she meant, why do divorced men with kids marry more virgins than other divorcees/widows? Its easy for the divorced man to marry a never married woman than it is for a widow/divorcee to re-marry a "virgin" guy..
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^^ I think they marry young women because of women's age, fertility and from what I have heard most girls want to marry guys who are 5+ older than them because they can get the critical guidence and financial, emotional support that they need. In summary, someone mature.
What problem do you see with divorced men with kids marrying virgin girls? Do you think they deserve non-virgins? Why?
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well ure dividing it into virgin/nonvirgin.. someone who was married and had kids is different than someone who slept with thier bfs/gfs.. virginity factor shudnt matter if he/she's a divorcee/widow/er, if that makes any sense..
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What problem do you see with divorced men with kids marrying virgin girls? Do you think they deserve non-virgins? Why?
well YOU yourself opened a thread on how virgins are held to a higher status.
its all a matter of statitics...in our society its a fact that more non-virgin men end up with virgin women, that vice-versa.
i am sticking to the topic. you are speaking of how virginity is held in the society....tell me how many non-virgin men in our society are willing to marry a widowed lady (even though she is perfectly "clean"- had no pre-marital relationships....but is 'stale') on the other hand non-virgin widowed men have it easier finding a virgin lady.
regardless of age....she could be in her 20's and fertile but widowed....she'll have a hard time finding a husband thats not a divorcee or a widow....
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If you read carefully, I did not mention men or women rather than virgins and non-virgins. The question is, if you read the initial post, is whether virginity is a virtue or not? Do you rank people who are virgins high? If yes, why?
I mean what does virginity tell us about that person? That is my question. In reality, it tells us nothing. You can be a evil, mean, un-ethical, liar and everything and be a virgin at the same time. So, the question again is, is it a virtue? Does this tell you anything trait/ characteristic about the person? If yes, than what? If no, than why make it and issue and cry about it.
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^^ again u are assuming widowed=older women. it might not necessarily be the case.
also u are assuming a man who is mature and older means he is a non-virgin and has kids. there are lots of older mature men out there that are not married but would not marry a divorcee or widower woman.
yes marriage is a consent of the two individuals....great ideal...but is it so much of a free choice when the woman can either marry the divorcee with kids or wait all her life for an unmarried man? The fact is she doesnt have a choice in this case.
plus this part of my post was for sara516....
as for virginity as a virtue i already answered that.......no it tells us nothing except what i said previously...that it shows how much one adheres to their faith (assuming their faith tells them to remain a virgin till marriage)...thats it.
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Why do you want a widow or a divorce women to marry someone virgin. I mean she should be marrying someone who can take care of her, emotionally and financially. No?! Does that young virgin guy means he will be able to understand, take care and support her emotionally and financially?
You are taking this topic into a double standard i.e old divorce men with kids marrying young virgin girls and inablity of women to do the same. I mean why bring virginity into this equation when it is not going to tell us anything about the person's characteristic?
I know the religious aspect of it, that's why I specifically asked about cultural impact.
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why Does Virgin man = non-mature non-stable young kid? Why Cant a grown man with a good job be a virgin?
I gave you a fact about our society....since we were discussing the cultural norms... If you disagree with it...lemme know. the fact of the matter is that I dont bring character into the question....if u read my post again it says that society considers widowed women as STALE. while it doesnt have the same view of widowed men. am i saying that a widowed man is a "Bad" person? NO...
anyways sorry if it seems like i went off topic. didnt mean to.
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I don’t know, you know why because it doesn’t mean that he will or won’t be. Why can’t be a grown man with a good job be a virgin? Ofcourse, he can and can’t be but my point is we should be more concerned about his job, education and nature when judging him.
I have an opinion of it but it will be off topic and a very very long discussion. You want to discuss in PM than ok. Otherwise, no problemo 
BTW, I like your views, please continue to contribute if you want. 
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why do desi gals use the "lie deny conteraccuse" principle when it comes to sex? for every paki guy in pak who has had pre-marital sex there is a girl who is not so virgin anymore. so somehow this notion that more guys have pre-marital sex is just wrong.... im no statistician like sweetdreams here but wouldnt u think thats the case?
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More than half of the social problem are coming from the way our womenfolk think. A man may be willing to marry a widow, but his mother and sisters will not allow that. Womenfolk are the first one to label their gender sisters bi$ches and what not. A man might be willing to marry his intelligent but ordinary looking classmate but his family's womenfolk will want him to marry a kum-umar-ke-larki.
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unfortunately women can be each others worst enemies 
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I would rather use “are” above.
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Not all non-halal acts are the same.
Fornication...you get the craped kicked out of you.
Eat non-halal...no punishment in this world.
Let's bring religion into this, 'cause it's much more lively that way.
So, who's your buddy? Let's set up a whipping post and show'em the error of his ways.
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- Virginity is not a virtue.
-** Virginity shouldn't be used as a tool to judge people.**
- People who are not virgins aren't necessarily bad.
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i second the above 2
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niyal, why do you think virginity is a virtue?
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yes that is a valid point too. but are YOU willing to marry a widow by the way? i have a twisted view on such ladies who are enemies of women…to me they are getting BACK at society, venting their frustration…for they were raised in the same society that gives women 10 out of 10 for being a virgin.
lollypop man- why do girls use lie and deny? - do a simple exercise…think of the word “virgin” what comes to mind first? a dainty girl or a boy? virginity is what marks a woman’s worth in our society. not so much for a man. for most of western history as well…how many women a man has slept with is a sign of stature. because “power” is a desirable trait for a man…and u know what they call girls who sleep around..
a long time ago i had a discussion with someone who said its ok for a man to sleep around but not for a woman…their reasoning? a woman gets pregnant and a man doesnt.
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now witchy there’s the problem. a man does not do things on his own.
why is he always dependent on others. there is always a but in his life to keep his butt 
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To you I can never disagree… 
feeling like the admin of GS 