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you guys are still on it :( ...
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So,...... in other countries foreigners become citizens, and in Pakistan, citizens become foreigners???
No its country of all and all cities are for everyone Pakistani.
That was just a discussion about past.
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^^ as long as it is not endorsed by the bhai of london.. it is irrelevant and conspiracy against ... bhai
Re: Violence in Karachi [all threads merged]
you guys are still on it :( ...
No difference for us.
Teay majboor bandon ki nah yeh dunia na woh dunia
تیرے مجبور بندوں کی نہ یہ دنیا نہ وہ دنیا
Re: Violence in Karachi [all threads merged]
What do you think where the Deebal (the main port of Sindh at the time of Arab conquest in 712 AD) situated. Wasn't that a port under control of Sindhi Army. It was our present day Karachi my dear Khoji.
You don't grasp the idea that history is relative, and if you go farther in history then the boundaries cease to exist.
Karachi did not even exist at that time. But it is possible that what is now Karachi was a Sindhi area. BUT NOT ANYMORE. And that's the point.
Someone said here earlier that Karachi is not anyone's "jaidad". And I say that too. Karachi is nobody's jaidad, including those from Larkana. The city belong to the city people (of all ethnicity).
Re: Violence in Karachi [all threads merged]
you guys are still on it :( ...
You are right. There is no point continuing in this thread.
It is now becoming a time-waste.
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Confessions of an economic hitman: Why is Orangi the last battleground for Karachi?
**KARACHI: ****Zafraan Bahraam didn’t complain about the gaping gunshot wound in his left leg. His only regret was that he was unable to rescue his 20-year-old nephew Arif who was killed late Thursday night when bullets were fired upon their house in Qasba Colony. He didn’t even have any attendants with him at Jinnah hospital’s ward No. 3 since his relatives were unable to make it because of the violence. When asked whether anyone from Sind Club, where Zafraan works as low-level employee, had come to ask for him, he said: “Nobody cares for you in times of need.”
**Bahraam is one of the countless victims who have been pouring in from Orangi Town. SP Orangi Khurram Waris says his town is the only area in the city where the “mother of all battles” are not only staged, but also where it all ends. But why Orangi? Also, are there any stakeholders that could possibly benefit from this conflict?
Anwar Rashid is one of the pioneers of the Orangi Pilot Project and has been associated with the programme since 1982. **“The violence we see today in the town is wrongly being portrayed as an ethnic clash. Actually, it is not a fight between two groups,” he believes.
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According to Rashid, Orangi, which is one-tenth of Karachi’s size in terms of population, has over the years become an ideal breeding ground for mafias working in land grabbing, drugs and gun running in the city.
**Towns like Orangi are a strategic asset for criminals since it provides the best escape routes. “The town is located at a strategic location, connected by land routes to Balochistan via the Mai Garri road and touches the Northern Bypass through a 12-minute drive from Maymarabad,” he says. And to add insult to injury, the same criminal elements have taken refuge in different political parties. Given these affiliations, the law enforcement authorities wouldn’t dare enter their narrow streets.
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The more violence Orangi sees, the more business the arms mafia gets. Rashid alleges that even the law enforcement authorities like the police are beneficiaries of this bloody conflict, since the same mafia also grease their palms.
There is no treasure hidden in the hills of Orangi, quips Rashid. However, the material from the hills are being used to make cement. **“There is one …] cement factory in the town that exploits the resources of the hills this way,” he says. Orangi is also the hub of the cottage industry.
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Criminologist Dr Fateh Mohammad Burfat says that the law enforcement authorities haven’t been able to control the violence in the city, specifically in Orangi because they lack a “free hand”.
**“Sindh Police officers have been posted in peacekeeping missions in Sudan, where they have been very successful. So if the same officers can maintain peace there, don’t you think they can handle Orangi?” **he asks. The Karachi University professor blames the government for failing to establish its writ since the criminals are being backed by all mainstream political parties. “This way the government too has a stake in the violence.”
Burfat, who was posted in Orangi during the 1980s, recalled that the first sparks of ethnic violence emerged there because of the infamous Bushra Zaidi bus accident. **Although the mindset of ethnic hatred that began in 1986 because of General Ziaul Haq’s policies remains the same, Burfat believes today the balance of power has somewhat shifted between two ethnic groups since they are all heavily armed. “Back in the 1980s, I recall one political party leader chanting the slogan ‘TV baycho, bandook lo’ [sell your tv, buy guns],” he says, adding that it is an irony that the same group which sold its arms and ammunition was now being targeted by the same people who bought them.
Confessions of an economic hitman: Why is Orangi the last battleground for Karachi?**
Re: Violence in Karachi [all threads merged]
Someone said here earlier that Karachi is not anyone's "jaidad". And I say that too. Karachi is nobody's jaidad, including those from Larkana. The city belong to the city people (of all ethnicity).
That's like a good boy. I again found the nice person. btw, if Larkana refers to Zardari & Bhuttos, then I'm eager to agree you. Karachi kia Pakistan bhi Unki Jaidaad nahin. They are our elected servants, they have to serve us instead of increasing their bank balances and 'Jaidaads'
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Yes Karachi is for every Pakistani. It is for every Pakistani to murder, land grab, steal and commit other crimes in. They come here and after making money, not paying tax and looting the city they go back to their cities like Mardan and Larkana. They use Karachi as a prostitute.
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Yes Karachi is for every Pakistani. It is for every Pakistani to murder, land grab, steal and commit other crimes in. They come here and after making money, not paying tax and looting the city they go back to their cities like Mardan and Larkana. They use Karachi as a prostitute.
And some fly to London after doing this all.
One comes from London , takes oath and flies Dubai after resign,
There will be many elders alive, I prey to god for their health and long life, I request you to ask them a question and please be honest to post the reply here.
How was Karachi and its people before 1986?
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^ @ 1947 Plz don't try to give impression that all the problems are due to ppl coming from other cities. PPL living in the city for years (so called waaris of the city) may also be party to the problems pointed out in your above post.
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true muq ... y just blame ppl who come from other cities??
Re: Karachi problem is bw Taliban and Muslims. It is not bw Urdu speakers and Pashtun
There may be large numbers but not more as many living in a single area. As I said above in the post right above this one.
**Urdu speakers overwhelmingly support MQM, and MQM is the worst enemy of Taliban extremists. **And you would be naive to think that shias and barelvis are not targeted by them.
**Give me any reason why MQM would want to destabilize the very city they represent. It is stupid to think that MQM would have the policy to kill anyone, Pashtuns or others, and create chaos in the city. **It serves NO purpose of MQM.
MQM are worse than the Taliban. More people are killed in Karachi than a whole province.
Maybe you need to htink outside of your box - the MQM will lose their hold on Karachi and Urdu speakers will become the second largest ethnic group after Pashtuns. The facist MQM party believes it has rights over Karachi. When they are no longer the largest ethnic group it will be of no help to the MQM at all.
Look at the history of the MQM - it is full of bloodshed.
Considering MQM rig their votes quite openly there is no evidence to suggest Urdu speakers support MQM overwhelmingly. When there are free and fair elections then one can make such bold statements.
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And some fly to London after doing this all. One comes from London , takes oath and flies Dubai after resign, There will be many elders alive, I prey to god for their health and long life, I request you to ask them a question and please be honest to post the reply here. How was Karachi and its people before 1986?
You mean how some fly to Dubai and Saudi Arabia after looting billions from the country? How was Karachi before millions of Afghanis came there and filled it with their guns and tribal ways? How was Karachi before Urdu Speakers were discriminated and could not hold government jobs or join the army?
Re: Karachi problem is bw Taliban and Muslims. It is not bw Urdu speakers and Pashtun
MQM are worse than the Taliban. More people are killed in Karachi than a whole province.
Maybe you need to htink outside of your box - the MQM will lose their hold on Karachi and Urdu speakers will become the second largest ethnic group after Pashtuns. The facist MQM party believes it has rights over Karachi. When they are no longer the largest ethnic group it will be of no help to the MQM at all.
Look at the history of the MQM - it is full of bloodshed.
Considering MQM rig their votes quite openly there is no evidence to suggest Urdu speakers support MQM overwhelmingly. When there are free and fair elections then one can make such bold statements.
Urdu Speakers will always be the majority in Karachi. Pashtuns can as much babies as they want but they will never become the majority. They have all of KP and FATA for themselves and even parts of Balochistan. Them increasing has just caused more violence, poverty and illiteracy.
I love how people say MQM forces people to vote for them or rigs the votes. Get this through your head, majority of Karachiites love MQM. MQM is the only party that is from the educated middle class and opposed terrorism and feudalism. Only party that isn't blood politics and anyone can become a senior member.
You claim that they rig votes, so they rig votes in all of Karachi. They rig votes in AJK, Hyderabad, Sukkur Mirpur Khas etc?
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**aajkal kii soorat e Haal pe yeh kahna munaasib hogaa, ba-qaul-e-'allaamah Iqbaal, k:
yuN to Saiyad bhii ho, Mirzaa bhii ho, AfGhaan bhii ho
tum sabhii kuchh ho, bataao k musalmaan bhii ho?****
iskaa Hal bhii 'allaamah Iqbaal ne tajveez kiyaa. farmaate haiN k:
munfa'it *EK* hai is qaum kii, nuqsaan bhii *EKEK*** hii sab kaa Nabii [saws], deen bhii, iimaan bhii *EK*
Haram-e-Paak bhii *EK, Allah bhii, Qur'aan bhii *EK**
kuchh baRii baat thii hote jo musalmaan bhii *EK*
firqa-bandii hai kahiiN, aur kahiiN zaateN haiN
kia zamaane meN panapne kii yehii baateN haiN?****
we mus ALL think about this. **
Re: Violence in Karachi [all threads merged]
Is foreign ‘concern’ over a domestic issue warranted?By Kamran Yousaf
Published: July 9, 2011
ISLAMABAD:
**The United States Embassy on Friday expressed ‘deep concern’ over the ongoing bloodshed in Karachi and urged the parties involved to refrain from further violence.
The unusual statement issued by US Ambassador to Pakistan Cameron Munter commenting on a domestic issue is contrary to diplomatic norms.**
Opposition parties have immediately termed the American envoy’s remarks as ‘interference’ in the internal affairs of the country.
While involvement of the US in Pakistan’s domestic affairs is widely speculated, a public statement issued on such matters is rare.
“The United States Embassy is deeply concerned about the escalating violence in Karachi. We call on all parties to refrain from further violence and work towards a peaceful resolution of differences,” said Ambassador Munter.
“The loss of over 60 lives, including women and children, in the last three days is a tragedy. We extend condolences to the families and friends of the innocent victims,” he added.
Repeated efforts to reach the foreign ministry spokesperson on telephone were futile as she did not respond to phone calls.
Violation of diplomatic norms
A government official, who requested anonymity, acknowledged that Munter’s statement was clearly in violation of diplomatic norms.
The US embassy has issued statements condemning suicide bombings and other acts of sabotage in Pakistan on a number of occasions in the past but the statement on Karachi’s situation is a first of its kind by the American envoy, the official added.
“Ambassador Munter has not only expressed concern over the killings in Karachi but has also asked the parties involved to refrain from further violence – that has never been the case before,” he said.
“He is not supposed to issue such statements.”
The official, however, was not sure if the issue would be taken up with the US embassy.
The US embassy spokesperson tried to downplay it.
“Anytime there is a loss of life, we do express our concerns,” said Courtney Beale.
‘Interference’ in domestic affairs
The statement has drawn strong reaction from the political parties.
“Such statements are unwarranted,” said Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) senator Pervaiz Rashid.
He said the entire nation, including the government, is responsible for the failure to take care of its own affairs which has provided an opportunity to outsiders to interfere in domestic affairs.
Published in The Express Tribune, July 9th, 2011.
Re: Violence in Karachi [all threads merged]
You mean how some fly to Dubai and Saudi Arabia after looting billions from the country? How was Karachi before millions of Afghanis came there and filled it with their guns and tribal ways? How was Karachi before Urdu Speakers were discriminated and could not hold government jobs or join the army?
I love how people say MQM forces people to vote for them or rigs the votes. Get this through your head, majority of Karachiites love MQM. MQM is the only party that is from the educated middle class and opposed terrorism and feudalism. Only party that isn't blood politics and anyone can become a senior member.
Corruption of PPP & PML(N) is not to be taken as NOC for MQM or other party to do the similar things.
Allah Pak hum sab ko Respect karne aur darne main faraq karne ki tofeeq farmae! (Well said by Transporteres " MQM ka Youm e Sog bhi strike hota hai")
Re: Karachi problem is bw Taliban and Muslims. It is not bw Urdu speakers and Pashtun
.......Karachi gets severely low level of resources than what it requires for its huge population. This is in contrast to other cities in Punjab and elsewhere............
any source or comes directly from the propaganda cell? Can you compare Karachi and Lahore, Hyderabad, Faisalabad's population and their development budgets?
Re: Karachi problem is bw Taliban and Muslims. It is not bw Urdu speakers and Pashtun
Urdu Speakers will always be the majority in Karachi. Pashtuns can as much babies as they want but they will never become the majority. They have all of KP and FATA for themselves and even parts of Balochistan. Them increasing has just caused more violence, poverty and illiteracy.
I love how people say MQM forces people to vote for them or rigs the votes. Get this through your head, majority of Karachiites love MQM. MQM is the only party that is from the educated middle class and opposed terrorism and feudalism. Only party that isn't blood politics and anyone can become a senior member.
You claim that they rig votes, so they rig votes in all of Karachi. They rig votes in AJK, Hyderabad, Sukkur Mirpur Khas etc?
They have been caught rigging elections. What more proof do you want?
If KP is the home of Pashtuns then I am sorry to say that Karachi is the home of Sindhis and Baloch.
The violence has not been caused by Pashtuns but by the MQM and its ethynic chauvinism. It is the prime terrorist organisation within Pakistan. The population of Urdu speakers is not growing as fast as Pashtuns in Karachi. This is Pakistan every Pakistani should be welcome everywhere! Urdu speakers have been more than welcome to Peshawar , Lahore Multan etc
By the way The floods have encouraged more and more Sindhis to move to Karachi too.