The elimination of Pakhtuns from Karachi altogether or crushing their strongholds in certain areas as the min., by sparking an armed conflict with them, shutting the international community up by calling them Taliban (something semi don/mayyyor mustaf kamal has been working on).
if you think thats the case, and they've been working on this for all this time, you would agree that they would want the violence to continue?
I think its the opposite. I think they have a bigger stake in trying to keep the city in status quo, and will hopefully reign in their nuts soon. I think while they'v been trying to exploit the talebanization of the city politically and giving it an ethnic colour, they are political agents who would like to remain in the establishment as much as possible. This is the worst thing for them.
time will tell.
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The elimination of Pakhtuns from Karachi altogether or crushing their strongholds in certain areas as the min., by sparking an armed conflict with them, shutting the international community up by calling them Taliban (something semi don/mayyyor mustaf kamal has been working on).
ill be back after a while to answer any further questions.
MQM has already elminated other visible minorities like Sindies. The Sindi Ghots were systematically destroyed in the name of encroachments. Punjabies were also outnumbered and forced to leave and now they are trying the same on Pathans. Lets see what happens...Pathans are not as less in numbers in Karachi as the punjabies and Sindies
I bet you MQM is not going to get away with it...they have to behave this time
This round started after 2 MQM workers were killed by pashtun land/drug mafia by firing from pahar ganj hills. As news spread, things got worse and innocents from both sides were killed.
In one case a pashun mob killed a man wearing jeans and t-shirt thinking he was mohajir - he was actually baloch.
^ The police chief and the Sindh IG have already stated to the PM that the MQM is behind this. Now the MQM is playing its usual politics and are demanding those two be sacked.
In one case a pashun mob killed a man wearing jeans and t-shirt thinking he was mohajir - he was actually baloch.
MQM is in power in Karachi. Even if this have happened it was the duty of leadership to pecify and calm rather than instigating workers to kill other innocent people. Pakhtoon and other ethinicities are part of Karachi now and MQM has to accept this reality and believe in live and let live ideology. As I already said sanity should prevail over madness. Since MQM is in power, safety of all people living in Karachi is its responsibilty.
This is all very unfortunate. I remember the common belief back in the 90s was, when you go to Karachi "have a plan" because people were scared to death about who might rob them/kill them in broad daylight.
I believe this is happening in many cities now, I used to think Karachi was almost always the worst hit with such cases but now 'gimme-ur-mobile-otherwise-I-kill-u' is reported in much part of the country.
I recently heard a minister of PPP call for an operation in Karachi, saying that it might be the one solution and maybe used to disperse/catch the criminals. This was said on a talkshow with a representative of MQM present as well.
How many people actually favor an operation?
I'd favor such operation, but that has to be backed by non-corrupt police who can catch actual terrorists, punish them or hand-them over to military for some really good chitrol, catch all 'mobile-snatch' gangs.... the operation must not be just against a party but all criminals regardless of their party affiliation.
MQM is in power in Karachi. Even if this have happened it was the duty of leadership to pecify and calm rather than instigating workers to kill other innocent people. Pakhtoon and other ethinicities are part of Karachi now and MQM has to accept this reality and believe in live and let live ideology. As I already said sanity should prevail over madness. Since MQM is in power, safety of all people living in Karachi is its responsibilty.
I don't disagree, but the underlying tensions of pushtun land grabbers and criminal activities largely affecting other ethnicies has been going on for a long time and the police and rangers (who are not under direct control of MQM, remember it's a partnership with PPP in Sindh) have been unable to do anything about this. Just like in the north of the country, the security services are pretty powerless in the face of threat. They haven't been able to stop the lyari gangs for decades.
But what this has to do with killing of innocent people on any side? Land mafia should be controlled by mayor or governor who are incharges of Karachi. If they need any help should should open up and give specific examples and ask for help if needed not by provocating voilence.
Does Karachi really need more strikes and confrontation? I do agree force has to be dealt with force but it does not deal with the problem. All this constant aggression will do Karachi walas of whatever origin no favours. A successful Karachi needs peace and all bits working well together.
My personal view of May 12 is that it could have been avoided and the MQM should have been more neutral but the ANP-PPP are far from angels. Some of workers from The ANP-PPP were also seen to have guns and firing. Whey are they crying just because they got their backsides kicked? If you carry weapons be ready to be shot at. May 12 happened 2 years ago, why mark it?
On the higher level ANP-MQM are very chummy but on the lower levels they cant trust each other and should not do so too. I have to agree with Khekheshan on his point of linking ANP with Pashtun criminals in Karachi. The ANP are using the Pashtun card/May 12 to gain popularity (irnonically they forgot about the CJ after Mush went). They were unknown in Karachi before. They started using criminals and the transport mafia to get some leverage within the Pashtun community. Of course the criminal warfare will end up becoming ethnic and political.
If the Pashtun community grows in Karachi the ANP may end up becoming Karachi's largest political party. I doubt they would as Pashtuns have fluid voting patterns whilst MQM have a very loyal support base.
I think most people here have probably never been to Karachi and only experience it through newspapers, tv - people should visit and experience the harmony when peace is in the air.
The MQM has to stop using blackmail, violence to get what it wants. Its a Pakistan for all. MQM workers must realise that not so long ao they were welcomed into Sindh now they should have the grace to be able to repay the compliment. They tehmselves has created the Pashtun ghettos by driving Pashtuns out of the areas they dominated.
Its ironic the 2 groups battling it out are par tof the state ie MQM, ANP
You see it is very simple, guns in the hands of mohajirs defending themselves means mohajirs are terrorists and RAW agents. Guns in the hands of pashtuns is necessary because it is their "zaywar" and "culture".
I didn't expect MQM affiliates would finally come around and defend the unalienable rights of the people of FATA and Swat...Dair aye droost aye...
The right to conduct suicide bombings and conduct war in other countries and in your country? And don't confuse ordinary people in the area with talibs. Your comparison fails the very first test of logic.
I'm most surprised a taliban sympathizer would talk of unalienable rights, a very western and secular concept.