Village Court awards hand of girl aged two to 40-year-old

[Roman]

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But having kids married off at an early age is common in India and Pakistan.

Please, and Arabia too.

[Agent_Smith]

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@queer

Very disturbing to see people here actually rationalize and justify this incident. Firstly, how is it even an acceptable form of justice to settle disputes by trading girls?!

It hasn’t become an incident yet. When she will turn 14 and if they will force her to marry that guy then it will become an incident. I thought Mad_S already explained that.

[mAd_ScIeNtIsT]

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@minah_pa

Still did not explain how it becomes a two year olds fate to pay for the sin of an adult.

In effect a two year old just got a life sentence for being born to the wrong family. What happened to the man whos sin she is paying for? If the man whos wife cheated on was any kind of man, he should have rejected the child being offered to him like a commodity or payment.

I didn’t say that the system was good. What I said it that the system works within the framework of the law of a civilised state. There’s no way to implement any law that would prevent the formation of village courts such as these, without becoming draconian and oppresive.

No country has any laws that can prevent a group of people voluntarily setting up their own courts, and voluntarily adhering to its judgements.

Such a court could easily be formed in the USA by a rural village. It could issue judgements that would be non-binding and have no legal standing under US law, but as long as the people affected by the judgement voluntarily went along with the judgements, and the judgements did not break the law of the land, then nothing could be done.

Similarly in Pakistan. These village courts frankly are not a good thing, but so long as they are not issuing illegal actions as punishments, then nothing can be done in cases like this where people voluntarily follow the judgements.

[Roman]

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@Agent Smith

It hasn’t become an incident yet. When she will turn 14 and if they will force her to marry that guy then it will become an incident. I thought Mad_S already explained that.

Great logic genius.

[suroor_ca02]

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disgusting and pathetic practice. normally common in villages and very poor areas of the country.
reminds me of the shahrukh khan movie, in which he works for NASA. forgot the name. they showed a very poor family living in the village who had already arranged the marriage of their 5 year old daughter n they barely had roof over their head.

[Surya]

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So technically, the court giving an order to marry a 2 year old to a 40 year old man, against the wishes of her mother or relatives and because of the crime of others is an arranged marriage. Then technically, the court giving orders to rape a woman against her wishes and that of her relatives, because of others crime let alone hers, is just normal intercourse and technically if the court gives orders to kill someone against their wishes and wishes of their relatives, because of others crime let alone theirs is just normal death, not bloody murder.

[Roman]

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What I said it that the system works within the framework of the law of a civilised state.

Hahahaha! Great civilization indeed.

[mAd_ScIeNtIsT]

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@Roman

What I said it that the system works within the framework of the law of a civilised state.

Hahahaha! Great civilization indeed.

Like I said, the way these courts work, they would function in any country that did not have harshly oppressive laws. The courts themselves make judgements that people voluntarily adhere to.

[mAd_ScIeNtIsT]

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@Surya

Then technically, the court giving orders to rape a woman against her wishes and that of her relatives, because of others crime let alone hers, is just normal intercourse and technically if the court gives orders to kill someone against their wishes and wishes of their relatives, because of others crime let alone theirs is just normal death, not bloody murder.

Stop being a drama queen. Village courts ordering rapes and murders are a clear violation of the law of the land, and therefore all involved in pronouncing and carrying out such sentences should be executed.

[suroor_ca02]

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well how about instead of making fun or being sarcastic, why dont u tell us how can one change these stupid laws of the country? or is there any organization within the country who is challenging such idiotic rulling of the court?
what exactly is being done about it?

[mAd_ScIeNtIsT]

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@suroor_ca02

well how about instead of making fun or being sarcastic, why dont u tell us how can one change these stupid laws of the country? or is there any organization within the country who is challenging such idiotic rulling of the court?
what exactly is being done about it?

What can be done? The village court has done nothing that is against any law in Pakistan.

[minah_pa]

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Agent Smith - I think it is the thought of a court actually having the option to give a child away that way that bothers people (ok.... me), not that she would be married at 14. This should not even be an option to have a family hand over a child as payment for another persons digression. What happened to the person who commits the sin/breaks the law being punished as opposed to an outsider?

Instead a two-year-old is treated like a trinket to appease a sin (is it against the law to cheat? or just a moral transgression?) or as payment for wronging someone. What about the wishes of the child's parents? How wrong is it that their child is given away because of somethingthey had no control over or fault for.

M_S - then there is something wrong and maybe a change in the law? What if it happened to your child.

[Surya]

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M_S, so by your logic giving the rights of a toddler (basically selling her) to a 40 year old man, against the wishes of her mother and relatives and for the crime of another is technically correct..

[Roman]

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@mAd_ScIeNtIsT

Like I said, the way these courts work, they would function in any country that did not have harshly oppressive laws. The courts themselves make judgements that people voluntarily adhere to.

Yes, they would work in any chu****** jahil country and culture.

[Surya]

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repeat.

[mAd_ScIeNtIsT]

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@Surya

M_S, so by your logic selling of a toddler to a 40 year old man, against the wishes of her mother and relatives and for the crime of another is technically correct.

Selling a toddler is clearly against the law of the land as well as being wrong, since Pakistan does not allow human beings to be bought and sold.

[Roman]

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@mAd_ScIeNtIsT

What can be done? The village court has done nothing that is against any law in Pakistan.

That’s a tragedy in itself, isn’t it, you genius.

[mAd_ScIeNtIsT]

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@minah_pa

Agent Smith - I think it is the thought of a court actually having the option to give a child away that way that bothers people (ok… me), not that she would be married at 14. This should not even be an option to have a family hand over a child as payment for another persons digression. What happened to the person who commits the sin/breaks the law being punished as opposed to an outsider?

Instead a two-year-old is treated like a trinket to appease a sin (is it against the law to cheat? or just a moral transgression?) or as payment for wronging someone. What about the wishes of the child’s parents? How wrong is it that their child is given away because of somethingthey had no control over or fault for.

M_S - then there is something wrong and maybe a change in the law? What if it happened to your child.

Specifically, what kind of law can prevent this? You cannot simply outlaw village courts - the honour system still pervades Pakistani rural communities, they will create a wall of silence about the existence of such courts if outlawed. If anyone from a village tries to go public about the existence of such a court in their village, the rest of the inhabitants would not only keep quiet, but accuse the whistleblower of lying.

There are no simple solutions. All that can be done is to make sure that village courts never issue judgements that break the law of the land.

[minah_pa]

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Selling a toddler is clearly against the law of the land as well as being wrong, since Pakistan does not allow human beings to be bought and sold.
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M_S - basically, that is what happened, she was handed over in payment for something an uncle did

[mAd_ScIeNtIsT]

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@Roman

That’s a tragedy in itself, isn’t it, you genius.

What do you propose to change the law? Outlawing arranged marriages?