Video Seems to Show Beheading of American (Merged from General)

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but its not fair, how come the max. punishment is just 1 year up to prison? they should bring back capital punishment
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Xara but the its not fair thing can apply vice versa too, laws and puinishments may seem to light to some, and yes i think these are too light. but the laws were on the books before this happened..one can protest that the laws are not strict enough.

in some countries laws are such that they may seem too tough to some, e.g. death sentences for drug traffickers..which seem harsh by many, although I think thats fine, unless the carrier is some unwilling pawn who just got conned into carrying something.

The first early reports on the identity of the animals.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Al Qaeda supporter Abu Musab al-Zarqawi probably was the one who beheaded American Nick Berg on a video shown this week on an Islamist Web site, a U.S. official said on Thursday.
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=ERUPQHIA0L3GECRBAEOCFFA?type=topNews&storyID=5135197

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*Originally posted by TUMS: *
I also saw this airing on ARY yesterday, they paused it when the actual death occurs but you can hear it...OMG I am seriously unsettled, i felt my soul shake...his shriek was really overwhelming.

This footage made me even firmer in my belief that violence is innately wrong and that America and the terrorists are in a deathlock in which neither side can ever win. A plague on both your houses.
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Only one side is doing the mindless killing for the sake of blood, and it ain't America. Every American is a legitmate target for the terrorists, including yourself. If the terrorists had WMD, they would use it as soon as they could without any hesitation.

how do they explain the facts that the arabic accent wasn’t jordanian, or that Al-Zarqawi (if not dead already) came to iraq for treatment of wounds suffered in afghanistan and has a prosthetic leg? or that some munition experts claim the version of AK-47 shown in the video is actually the Israeli adaptation

another simple question.. when every al-qayda outfit has been hounded and razed to the ground by authorities how come a chosen few ‘al-qayda’ websites continue to flourish to provide al-qayda missives just when the administration badly needs them..

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Only one side is doing the mindless killing for the sake of blood, and it ain't America. Every American is a legitmate target for the terrorists, including yourself. If the terrorists had WMD, they would use it as soon as they could without any hesitation.
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Where have u been he couple of months years.....OPen your eyes, sir! This is a CIRCLE of voilence. The game they play is an eye 4 an eye. Wonder if u understand this when u start living in some other places accept for the US of A1

Only circle of violence is in the mind of jihadis. They have long declared war on america and that they want to kill EVERY american they attacked america. There is a difference between mindless killing and fighting a war to remove a dictator or a brutal regime.

I made the mistake of watching some parts of the video, I swear I am shaken, I didnot sleep properly, it is the most brutal, cruel thing I have seen, thank God the quality was bad, otherwise I would have fainted for sure. These people were animals, only wild animals could do a thing like they did.

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how do they explain the facts that the arabic accent wasn't jordanian, or that Al-Zarqawi (if not dead already) came to iraq for treatment of wounds suffered in afghanistan and has a prosthetic leg? or that some munition experts claim the version of AK-47 shown in the video is actually the Israeli adaptation

another simple question.. when every al-qayda outfit has been hounded and razed to the ground by authorities how come a chosen few 'al-qayda' websites continue to flourish to provide al-qayda missives just when the administration badly needs them..
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It is not so easy to control the internet which is run from servers around the world as you may think. And what does a prosthetic leg have to do with the video? We douln't see anyone's leg. These munition experts must be really good if they can notice the manufacturers of the AK-47 from a grainy video, but if you say so.

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These munition experts must be really good if they can notice the manufacturers of the AK-47 from a grainy video, but if you say so.
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they don't have nothing on the "authorities" who can identify individuals and their affiliations from under ski masks on the same grainy video..

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they don't have nothing on the "authorities" who can identify individuals and their affiliations from under ski masks on the same grainy video..
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Voice analysis doesn't require them to see a face. Just curious, does your conspiracy theory extend to the murder of Daniel Pearl as well?

what is the theory on Pearl, can we get a recap?

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The sad fact is that the US is promising a mass hunt and severe punishment for the offenders. In real terms, that means a whole community or city will be wiped out.

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Sholay,

You exagerate. No way a whole city will be wiped out because Michael Berg was beheaded. Supposedly he was told to leave Iraq by U.S. officials because it was too dangerous.

He was not employed by the U.S. Berg went to Iraq to create his own telecom. business, and Iraq reconstruction seemed a good opportunity...as I understand the story.

In the meantime..Sholay,

How about documenting evidence and details that the U.S. wiped out a whole community or city.

this seems to be connected to the discussion at hand, but wasnt my motivation when reading this.

i visit this site often because it so captures the pigheaded aspect of the right wing that i despise, which seems to have hijacked for itself the words “patriotism”, “liberation”, “freedom” etc.. (Free Republic comes to mind.. this is Patriotic Americans for Blah blah blah H). Also because it figured in the Daily Show with Jon Stewart.

Anyhow, heres the latest gem from pabaah.com, a comment on Berg’s murder.

It’s Time To Stop Playing Games With These People

So that’s how these barbarians want to have it, huh? Thanks to Hollywood, CBS, the Democrats, and the social malcontents of the left, the radical Islamic terrorists have become so emboldened that they feel they can not only murder and burn American contractors, they’ve now resorted to capturing and beheading them. It’s time to stop playing games with these rabid dogs and put them down once and for all.

The rationale offered for beheading Nick Berg is that this was a direct response to the Iraqi prison abuses. Well, here’s the appropriate response to beheading an American: For every town where an American contractor or soldier is abducted or harmed, we should enact a roadblock to prevent any militants from departing said town. After a 24 hour grace period for women and children to leave said town, the United States military will drop a MOAB or tactical nuke on said town. In other words, it’s time to begin systematically destroying the havens of these madmen and send a strong message to all of the world.

Our enemies at home have, by their words and deeds, emboldened our enemies abroad. Enough is enough. Shamefully, these “Americans” have politicized this war to the extent to which they have given the terrorists the idea that if they can shock the American public enough, as in Somalia, we will demand a withdrawal of our forces from Iraq.

It’s time to stop squabbling over political power and deal with the threat at hand in a UNITED and DECISIVE manner. To the Islamic terrorist cowards around the world, it’s time to send them a clear and decisive message: Do Not Mess With America. Obviously these sick and twisted barbarians know only one thing, and that is force. I say, let’s give it to them. If they thought their treatment at Abu Ghraib was bad, they ain’t seen nothing yet.

I hope those bickering Bickersons in Congress will do the right thing. Like the WWII generation, we are at a crossroads in that we are confronted with evil and must deal with it decisively. Nick Berg’s murder should serve as a wake up call, just like 9/11. I pray those who have hindered and obstructed the War on Terror will come to their senses and realize that we are dealing with an enemy as dangerous as Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. Both of those countries felt the brunt of American power and extremists in Iraq need to feel it to. We will never win this war if we wage it as a politically-correct war. Dust off the nukes, it’s time for some BBQ.

Details Surrounding The Beheading of Nicholas Berg: Questions Remain
May 14, 2004
By Omar Al Faris, JUS In Conjunction With Reports Translated and/or Compiled By Muhammad Abu Nasr, Free Arab Voice

Many unanswered questions remain regarding the video clip of the beheading of an American capitve, Nicholas Berg, reportedly an American private contractor in Iraq that Islamic Jihadi websites on the Internet posted photos and a video clip of. Here is what we know.

Nicholas Berg, reportedly an American private contractor in Iraq. A declaration addressed to the Islamic world community and published alongside the pictures and video, stated that the execution was in response to the murders, tortures, abuse, and humiliation to which many of the more than 12,000 Iraqi captives have been subjected by the American occupation authorities and their British and other satellite country stooges.

The communiqué, signed “Abu Mus‘ab az-Zarqawi, the commander of the Jama‘at at-Tawhid wa-al-Jihad (the Group of Unity and Jihad), said that their group had offered to use Berg to ransom some of the prisoners in Abu Ghurayb concentration camp, but the US refused the deal, according to the message. The statement indicated that Berg was executed in defense of the honor of the Muslim prisoners, men and women, held in Abu Ghurayb and other occupation concentration camps in Iraq.

An article published on many of the same Islamic Jihadi websites two days earlier and signed Husayn ibn Mahmud had discussed the recent publication of hundreds of pictures documenting the systematic humiliation, abuse, and torture practiced by the US occupation authorities in their system of concentration camps throughout Iraq. Husayn ibn Mahmud wrote that something must be done to deter the aggressors from continuing to perpetrate such crimes. “Those are prisoners of war,” Husayn ibn Mahmud wrote, “and the Mujahideen also have prisoners of war, and they are obliged to do something to the Americans so as to force them to think a million times before they venture to carry out [abusive] activity. The Mujahideen cannot do what the Americans have done because it is prohibited by our religion – prohibited in and of itself – and anyway this would not affect them because they generally accept such behavior. They do such things voluntarily, with no one forcing them to, and with no shame. Stripping people naked and sodomizing them are ordinary matters for them, things to which they are accustomed. But there are things that the Mujahideen can do, such as slitting the throats of some of the prisoners with knives, and broadcasting their pictures and names. This should be done by video files on the World Wide Web and not on the news media that the Americans control. It should be announced that these actions are merely to avenge our brothers and sisters in Abu Ghurayb prison. The door of innovation is open to the Mujahideen in this matter.”

Case Has Many Loose Ends

The case of Nick Berg has itself has many lose ends. Even the American Associated Press (AP), in addition to chiming in with a chorus of praise for the supposedly well-meaning, idealistic, but naive American businessman, pointed out that his case left “many unanswered questions.”

Prior to his capture by Iraqi Resistance forces, Berg, an American Jew, was stopped at a checkpoint near Mosul by Iraqi puppet police and held for two weeks. Reportedly he was stopped for having been engaged in “suspicious activity.” According to Berg’s family in the United States, Berg was held by the US occupation authorities. The American authorities later denied that, however, claiming that he was held entirely by the Iraqi puppet police. However that may be, during the two weeks he was in the custody of the aggressors and their stooges, Berg was reportedly interrogated three times by the American Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) supposedly to ascertain whether he was indeed an American – something in the age of computers, to say nothing of telephones, that the FBI would have been able to determine in a matter of minutes.

One AP press report indicated that Berg had an “Iraqi in-law” living in the Mosul area, a man who had been married to a now-deceased sister of Berg’s.

Although supposedly a contractor working in the telecommunications field, Berg apparently had no contact with any contracting firms working with the US occupation, making him a contractor with no contract. Nevertheless, according to the AP, Berg “traveled widely and unguarded in areas of Iraq — a dangerous practice rarely done by Westerners.” Yet when offered a flight out of Iraq by the FBI, Berg reportedly turned down the offer because the ride to the airport was supposedly “too dangerous.”

The first news publication in the world to point to Berg’s Jewish identity was the Zionist Yediot Ahronot, published in occupied Palestine. Given that Zionist activity has been frequently reported particularly in the northern regions of occupied Iraq (where Mosul is located), it is reasonable to wonder whether the Zionists in Tel Aviv might not have other relevant information on Nick Berg that has not yet been disclosed.

Berg’s Father and Firm Were On A Right-Wing ‘Enemies’ List

BreakforNews reported that the family firm of the beheaded American was named by a conservative website in a list of ‘enemies’ of the Iraq occupation. That could explain his arrest by Iraqi police --a detention which fatally delayed his planned return from Iraq and may have led directly to his death.

Nick Berg, 26 disappeared into incommunicado detention after his arrest by Iraqi police in March, 2004. He vanished again after his release 13 days later. His body was found last Saturday in Baghdad, and a video of his beheading --supposedly by a radical Islamic group-- was posted on the Internet on Tuesday. On 7th March, 2004, just three weeks before the first anniversary of the invasion of Iraq, an ‘enemies’ list of anti-war groups and individuals was posted on the Free Republic forum. It began: "Here you are, FReepers. Here is the enemy” and listed “Michael S. Berg, Teacher, Prometheus Methods Tower Service, Inc.” Just seven days after “Michael Berg” and “Prometheus Methods Tower Service” had come up on that Iraq war ‘enemies’ list, his son Nick Berg returned to Iraq under the business name of Prometheus Methods Tower Service.

Within two weeks of the list being posted, Nick Berg --back in Iraq on his final fatal trip-- was reportedly detained in Mosul at an Iraqi police checkpoint. The official explanation is that authorities thought his identification might have been forged and were checking his authenticity.

But a more likely reason is that by then authorities in Iraq had discovered that a ‘Berg’ of Prometheus Methods Tower Service was in the country, and issued a detention instruction to Iraqi police because they misidentified Nick Berg as an antiwar activist entering Iraq to work for the ‘enemy’.

That could explain why he was held incommunicado for 13 days, without recourse to a lawyer; why US officialdom was singularly unheeding of his mother’s pleas; why the FBI visited his family to question them; why it took a US court order secured by the family to pressure his release.

There are many other question that remain such as why was the film, which is dated April 25th, not shown until Tuesday and at a time when anger was clearly focused on Westenr abuse of prioners?

For the moment, it appears that the complete story has not yet been told.

i am not saying that this is absolute revelation from Allah and a fact, but it does open new aveneus for thought, because even i had this thought that why would a white skinned american be held by iraqis who are under US command for 13 days. and FBI knew about him too..so something is fishy…

here’s a NewsMax story telling more about Berg.

some more facts to ponder.. how come a 9/11 suspect used his e-mail once and why was he carrying the Qur’an?

Another conspiracy website has made similar observations like many have.. the surroundings in the video look very much like an American prison.. down to the orange jumpsuit and even the white chair!

I thought that was wierd.. in all the pics I’ve seen of detention centers in Iraq, I don’t remember seeing those? I could be mistaken. Even so, I’m not much a believer of conspiracies.

But considering that the CIA, backed by the admin, is claiming that Zarqawi was present in the room at the time (which I’m not inclined to believe, but it’s just a disagreement) why isn’t there more outrage over the fact that Bush refused an opportunity to take him out before the war?? Or have people already forgotten that one?
If you listen to the rabid right wingers they’ll tell you this incident is more an outrage than Abu Ghraib.. sure, if that’s true why aren’t they pissed that it was able to happen because of their Dear Leader’s ineptitude?

Any word of why the timestamps on the footage are incoherent?

Bush Says Zarqawi Killed Berg, Cites Saddam ‘Ties’
Reuters - 22 minutes ago
President Bush on Friday blamed al Qaeda supporter Abu Musab al-Zarqawi for beheading American Nicholas Berg and cited him as an example of Saddam Hussein’s “terrorist ties” before the U.S.-led war in Iraq.

Okay, Mr President, THEN WHY DIDN’T YOU KILL HIM?!

dumb****

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Any word of why the timestamps on the footage are incoherent?
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More than one camera?

utd.. that doesnt make sense to me. there seems no reason to take the picture from two cameras if you

  • have both cameras functioning
  • are shooting from the same angle

the video quality/timestamp fonts etc seems to be the same.

one explanation i read on Free Republic was that apparently Nick Berg's murder was even more brutal than the FReepers had supposed. That he was beheaded with a blunt knife, and since he bled for so long they had to stop filming and resume when he was done.

but that doesnt make sense either, since the stamps jump from 2xx to 13xx .. thats what.. 9 hours? Inordinately long time.

Another thing that people noted was that the screaming is out of synch with the beheading.

Other things flying around on some of the (presumably left wing?) forum links asif2000 provided:

  • the murderers were conversing in russian briefly
  • jumpsuit/chair etc

until we see anyone credible taking up this issue though, i dont think theres much in it beyond WHERE-ARE-THE-WINGS-?? type speculations.