Sorry chachoo I am not here to convince you. In fact you don;t count. There were many reasons, like looking for WMD, saving the lives of the Iraqis and the best reason…after Kosovo, the precedence was there to do things unilaterally because of the ineptitude fo the UN. So in the end I am pretty happy with the decision, the implementation could have been better but this is a long term play.Kind of like funding a pharma start up. Americans need to look at the bigger picture, made Libya come around, made N Korea go and ask china for intervention..all these will comeinto play at their own time like Viagra did for you with Pfizer. :k:
A lot of pathetic people everywhere. I also think Imdad asks a legit question, the Arab/Islamic world does not have its institutions or academia who can discuss or condemn such actions. This has led to such pathetic people running operations in name of Islam and hijacking it. If they themselves do not fight this rising monster in their fold, they shall eventually be consumed by it.
These people are sub-humans and they deserve each other, both the American GI's and these two bit cowboys. Beheading some contractor on video is an act of religious people? Give me a break. It has more in common with Chucky the doll.
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if this means that the perps are lynched or fried, thats a-ok by me.
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i guess then that lynching and frying/roasting of US soldiers is justified then...
definitely makes more sense of justice,
i wouldnt be surprised if these people who butchered this guy were somehow related to Iraq, maybe one of their family members were butchered similarly (i can believe anything of the US and Brit army after what i have seen) maybe they were trying to get revenge,
at least they gave him time to give his name, not like US style where they just bomb the women and kids with missiles right? and if we're going to start looking at it in the casual 'its wartime, expect it' sort of way like many did towads the deaths and abuses in Iraq then im sorry but this is just another number on the tally chart
just bcos theyre muslims dont expect them to bhevae like angels when someone they know has been tortured to death, at least they didnt humiliate him like the iraqis were in hundreds of cases, in the end in which they tried to commit suicide proving death is better than the humiliation they were faced with
WTF?! damn, damn damn… we are barbaric dumbasses, huh?
Now that article is from the FT, British. Gives a lot of detail, clearly. This is the number one most sent and most read article at Yahoo, I just glossed over it and it didn’t even register with me what it meant until I opened it and read it halfway thru:
U.S.: Berg Had Been Advised to Leave Iraq](Yahoo News: Latest and Breaking News, Headlines, Live Updates, and More)
An American civilian who was beheaded in a grisly video posted on an al-Qaida-linked Web site had been warned to leave Iraq but refused, U.S. officials said Wednesday. The masked men who butchered him claimed they were angered by coalition abuses of Iraqi prisoners.
/* That’s the lead. That’s all people see when browsing thru the list of stories.. doesn’t look like something worth reading? */
According to his family, Berg, a small telecommunications business owner, spoke to his parents on March 24 and told them he would return home on March 30. But he was detained by Iraqi police at a checkpoint in Mosul on March 24.
Berg was turned over to U.S. officials and detained for 13 days. His father, Michael, said his son wasn’t allowed to make phone calls or contact a lawyer. On April 5, the Bergs filed suit in federal court in Philadelphia, contending that their son was being held illegally by the U.S. military. The next day Berg was released. He told his parents he hadn’t been mistreated. His family last heard from him April 9 but it was unclear when and where he was abducted.
/* 6 paragraphs in, after demonizing fluff about who cut off his head and how (which remains speculation), this finally pops up.. but is still cautious about making US officials look anything other than angelic */
The Bush administration said those who beheaded Berg would be hunted down and brought to justice.
“Our thoughts and prayers are with his family,” White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan said. “It shows the true nature of the enemies of freedom. They have no regard for the lives of innocent men, women and children.”
Although Berg was working on his own, U.S. officials fear the savage killing might prompt more foreigners working on international reconstruction projects to flee the country.
Since the security situation deteriorated last month, about three out of 10 Americans and other non-Iraqis involved in reconstruction projects financed by the U.S. Agency for International Development have fled Iraq, the USAID director Andrew Natsios told The Associated Press.
/* Directly following the last section was this.. W is pissed and aint gonna let it happen again! Hmm.. ok. So this guy died and we should vote Bush? That’s how this damn article is turning out… it goes on, but it goes on dragging along the latest RNC talking points a la Inhofe.. worse than Pravda really.
Wasn't this guy in US custody 1 day before 'al akyeeda' got him and chopped his head off, how did that happen exactly?
His father appears to be blaming the Bush aministration too.
Hmmm.
The sad fact is that the US is promising a mass hunt and severe punishment for the offenders. In real terms, that means a whole community or city will be wiped out.
Thousands of Iraqi civilians are being slaughtered day in and day out, but you never seem to hear of it. When the value of one American is perceived to be ten fold compared to that of Iraqis, it is no surprise that a lot of Iraqis couldn't give a toss about the execution.
It just gets from bad to worse and out the frying pan and into the fire!
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When the value of one American is perceived to be ten fold compared to that of Iraqis, it is no surprise that a lot of Iraqis couldn't give a toss about the execution.
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Yeah, we do need to track down these idiots and others like them, but like you said, when we do it so seemingly indiscriminately, so sloppily like Falluja, it sure does seem like one Yank is worth 10 brown skins. And we wonder why they keep coming?
**Geo TV just aired the video; they let the audio run while they paused the video at a certain scene, well! The audio made such an impact that I wonder about the video?
“Allah o Akbar” were the sounds resonating among the painful screams of the victim.
Taking Lords name in vain!!! By God these people are not among us(Muslims).
On behalf of all Muslims I take this opportunity to extend my deepest condolences to the victims family.
As for the people who committed this crime may they rot in hell.**
It was my understanding that Islam prided itself upon the treatment of its POW.
Where the **** has that gone?
^ Just because these animals call themselves muslims doesn't mean they represent islam.
it was a shameful act, and the sad part is it was done in the name of Allah (SWT)... I have not seen the video but from what I have read about it, it is just despicable... these people will be punished if not here then on the Day of Judgment....
I am against the war and against US occupation and the death and suffering they have inflicted in that region but nothing can justify such horrific crimes…. Two wrongs don’t make it right… This is just insane…
This is as sick as those pics we saw and r seeing about Iraqi prisoners. And then this sort of incident comes quite handy to "justify" and "verify" why America still is in IRAQ.
A point to be noticed!?
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It was my understanding that Islam prided itself upon the treatment of its POW.
Where the **** has that gone?
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exactly.
im sure it was a setup from the american side, and i wouldnt be surprised if it was either - very convenient timing
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*“Allah o Akbar” were the sounds resonating among the painful screams of the victim.**
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That is TRULY, utterly sick. Not even animals would stoop to such a level. War has made monsters of us ALL.
To say something as beautiful as "Allah o Akbar" while beheading an innocent human being - how low can a human being get.
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i guess then that lynching and frying/roasting of US soldiers is justified then...*
Xara, avoid selective reading and quoting..here is the complete sentence of which u only quoted a part..
As far as whats next. Heck it happened in Iraq, falls under Iraqi jurisdiction, investigations, hearings, punishments should be handled by Paul Bremmer as he is running the country. if this means that the perps are lynched or fried, thats a-ok by me.
Now, as far as the perps go, yes, the specific people who are guilty of this crime should be lynched or fried after being put through a trial.
as far as US soldiers go, sure, the specific ones who took part in the barbaric actions, or those who supported, promoted these things or turned a blind eye to them should also face the law, and pay the price.
I am not advocating, or supporting vigilante "justice" by terrorist thugs, or undertrained weekend warrior yahoo soldiers.
whether its iraqi casualties, or american casualties, lives are lives. We can not be selective in saying whose life is worth more, some idiots do, but that is wrong. an innocent contratcor being killed by thugs is just as bad as an innocent Iraqi being killed for no reason.
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*Originally posted by Xara: *
i guess then that lynching and frying/roasting of US soldiers is justified then...*
Xara, avoid selective reading and quoting..here is the complete sentence of which u only quoted a part..
As far as whats next. Heck it happened in Iraq, falls under Iraqi jurisdiction, investigations, hearings, punishments should be handled by Paul Bremmer as he is running the country. if this means that the perps are lynched or fried, thats a-ok by me.
Now, as far as the perps go, yes, the specific people who are guilty of this crime should be lynched or fried after being put through a trial.
as far as US soldiers go, sure, the specific ones who took part in the barbaric actions, or those who supported, promoted these things or turned a blind eye to them should also face the law, and pay the price.
I am not advocating, or supporting vigilante "justice" by terrorist thugs, or undertrained weekend warrior yahoo soldiers.
whether its iraqi casualties, or american casualties, lives are lives. We can not be selective in saying whose life is worth more, some idiots do, but that is wrong. an innocent contratcor being killed by thugs is just as bad as an innocent Iraqi being killed for no reason.
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but its not fair, how come the max. punishment is just 1 year up to prison? they should bring back capital punishment
Bloggers doubt Berg execution video
Gimme a friggin break. Everything has its conspiracy theory. Surely this isn’t the work of Muslims, it is all the work of the the video wizardry of the CIA. This blame displacement is soooo old. Arab media and governments don’t have room on their agendas to condemn this. At least Saudi Arabia, Jordan and UAEdecry this barbaric act without the usual excuses and conspiracy theories.
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but its not fair, how come the max. punishment is just 1 year up to prison? they should bring back capital punishment
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Americas justice system is more humane than that. While these crimes were horrid giving out the death plenty for them would be a crime itself.
I also saw this airing on ARY yesterday, they paused it when the actual death occurs but you can hear it...OMG I am seriously unsettled, i felt my soul shake...his shriek was really overwhelming.
This footage made me even firmer in my belief that violence is innately wrong and that America and the terrorists are in a deathlock in which neither side can ever win. A plague on both your houses.