Video of girl’s flogging in Swat was ‘fake’

News published a small piece yesterday, saying that the taleban flogging video was ‘fake’.](The News International: Latest News Breaking, World, Entertainment, Royal News) If true, I hope the NGO in question is named and shamed and prosecuted if they have broken any laws.

The nature of TTP has since the time of this video become clear to everyone. Even at the time, their spokesperson went through different stories, saying no the woman is 34, no this happened before the ceasefire, she was spotted outside with her father in law etc. Fact that the video was fake does not change the nature of the TTP.

However manipulating public opinion through fake videos is wrong, even if for defensible ends. It gives taleban apologists a valid blanket against criticism, and you lose trust in your government.

What is good is that this continues to be investigated by the govt, it wasnt brushed under the rug. This should be reported more widely (so far only News has covered it, and an indian agency quoting news), and the government should be pressured into releasing more details on who created the video, whether anyone organizing Operation Rah e Rast knew it was fake, whether there was collusion with the NGO.

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Those who dare mention it before were labelled ‘lovers of taliban’

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/pakistan-affairs/316944-swat-video-not-real.html

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to be fair, that was true too.

there were murmurs at the time that the video is fake, but the ones articulating that as fact belonged mainly in two categories

a) those who were Taleban
b) those who had a soft corner for them

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You reported 'The News' item about the video being fake. Another guy reported the Swat police chief saying the same thing. I don't see the difference.

I know that the prisoners in Guantanamo Bay are portrayed in the media as evil and dangerous, but I also know that there are many innocent Afghan farmers in there. If I do say that aloud, I am labelled 'Taliban Lover'. One starts believing a lie, if told often enough,

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that wasnt the only thing fake but those who know the truth about whats happening are hounded by the supporters of this genocide

i bet most are already planning for when it all comes out into the open and have a lil enquiry about it, put it on telly, talk about possible charges, you know the drill

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the difference lies in the worldview of people saying these things, which becomes apparent with a little bit of a posting history. if someone for example opens threads on the heroism of the taleban etc etc (search for bitter_reality on this forum, merely an example) that can be taken as evidence of him being pro-Taleban. If most people pushing the idea that the video is fake (at a time when things were much fuzzier) have such profiles it is fair to make the generalization.

Taleban supporters are not accurate barometers of truth. That is it isnt always the case that they are wrong, if it were then we could understand a very complex world simply by believing the opposite of what they did. That does not change the fact that they are likely to highlight a certain set of ideas, some true, some not true, conducive to their worldview.

shardmanny... get a grip. genocide indeed. also could you explain the motivation for the police to be investigating this in the first place?

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same thing happened in Afghanistan where NATO brutally murdered 3 women (2 were pregnant), a teenage girl, 2 men (1 was commander).

At first NATO said it was honor killing (about the women)…

Q: Why would U.S. and allied forces in Afghanistan go out of their way to smear a journalist?

A:** Because he told the truth about a night raid that killed Afghan civilians, including pregnant women.**

Last week, I spoke with Afghanistan-based journalist Jerome Starkey about his reporting on special forces raids that killed civilians and NATOs surprising–and disappointing–response. This video contains disturbing images, and an even more disturbing story of violence, and an attempt to silence a truth-teller. It shows why its absolutely essential that we keep pushing back against the Pentagon’s message machine.

Over the past few months, Starkey exposed two incidents where NATO initially claimed to have engaged and killed insurgents, when they’d in fact killed civilians, including school children and pregnant women. In both cases, when confronted with eye-witness accounts obtained by Starkey that clearly rebutted NATO’s initial claims, NATO resisted publicly recanting.

In the first case, NATO officials told him they no longer believed that the raid would have been justified if they’d known what they now know, but no official would consent to direct attribution for this admission.

In the second case, NATO’s initially made sensational claims that they’d discovered during the raid the bodies of pregnant women that had been bound, gagged and executed. Starkey’s reporting forcefully rebutted this claim. Instead of simply retracting their story, NATO went so far as to attempt to damage Starkey’s credibility by telling other Kabul-based journalists that they had proof he’d misquoted ISAF spokesman Rear Adm. Greg Smith. When Starkey demanded a copy of the recording, NATO initially ignored him and eventually admitted that no recording existed. NATO only admitted their story was false in a retraction buried several paragraphs deep in a press release that led with an attack on Starkey’s credibility.

Under Gen. Stanley McChrystal, NATO’s made a big show of apologizing early and often when civilians are killed in broad daylight. But Starkey’s reporting and ISAF’s reaction to it shows that their natural inclination to escape accountability remains strong and operative when they think they can get away with violent mistakes under the cover of darkness. NATO Tries to Silence a Truth-Teller in Afghanistan After Killing Pregnant Women  : Information Clearing House -  ICH

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Upto now i had maintained and argued with many that video was real. There were several reasons for it, initially Muslim Khan the TTP spokesman also acknowledged that flogging had hapened. Then many leading newspapers printed that there reporters met the girl and her fiance. But this report shows how the whole media just jumps on the bandwagon.

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i dont think we need to go into a shame spiral for believing the video to be true. as you mention Icono, they admitted to it and only disputed details.

what should be done is the news orgs need a thorough reevaluation of themselves. Otherwise how can we even believe this news?

Yeap.

History must be re-written to suit the Islamist's perspective.

And while we are at it, Just rewrite that---

1- There was no khooni chowk (Talibots instead started the canals of milk and honey)
2- No girls schools were bombed (Talibots instead established the first woman-only astronaut university in Swat). In that university, women were flung in all sorts of different directions to prove that even the mighty Earth's gravity can be controlled under Talibot's regime.

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^ typical burqa response

^^ typical response!

A clear sign of of someone who lost the debate and now reduced to mere finger pointing at the other side.

:D

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I will wait to see if any other news organization reports on it and the supposed NGO and the people involved are interviewed. Why hasn't the Taliban lover journalists jumped on it yet? Why is it not being talked about by Hamid Mir, Ansar Abbasi, Imran Khan, Hameed Gul and Qazi Hussain? Why hasn't any Urdu newspaper reported in it?

Your list is good to show who are Talibot sympathizers (aka the new 5th columnist in Pakistan are).

Obviously the dijmwits like IK would love to come out and put a black turban on and run through the streets naked shouting Mullah Omer Zindabad.

They all would love to support talibots.

But right now they are summun bukmun. Allah swt had a bit of mercy on us the hapless Pakistani masses and as a result, IK and Hamida gul-bul-bul are deaf and dumb these days.

The only exception to the local deafs and dumbs are some of the foreign settled pakistanis who are still itching to unleash talibots on Pakistan, while they themselves are safe and sound in the air-conditioned apartments in the US/EU.

Instead of condemning media jumping on band-wagon, condemning people making fake-videos for propaganda purposes all you could spew was irrelevant sarcasm. I hate Talibots too but that doesn't mean that my every single post would be dedicated to them, I have life beyond anti-Talibots but perhaps you don't.

There you go, I was wondering where you is your other love “foreign settled Pakistanis” :hehe: You definitely belong to the same group you condemn “summun bukmun”

i m sure if they do investigation in these cases, they would definitely find indian/US/nato involvement.

sub jhoota drama hai, islam ko badnam karney ki sazish

this is not who we are.
you can do as much propaganda u like

lost the debate, yeh rite

you and likes of you have been proven wrong who blamed taliban what ever after the release of this video. booooooooo!

when you say 'this' is not who 'we' are can you elaborate what 'this' and 'we' is?