So I have noticed that there is a lot of pushback and resistance from many religious muslims [both men and women ] against multiple marriages for men
makes me wonder whether we follow islamic morality in this respect or a victorian pseudoislamic model?
There are many more moralities and just not the two you mentioned, most muslims do not agree on what might be the Muslim morality.They are whipping women in Afghanistan for a bit of hair showing but ignore child molestations SMH. In my opinion the only thing required to be a Muslim is the Kalima and after that one should behave with humility and kindness, some rules were valid for certain times, wars and defence required manpower as opposed to mukka, dichha, takar, chakhoo, talwaar, dandaa we now have automated weapons and dont need rapid breeding to conquer infidels, also women were dependent on males. In todays world men are becoming redundant as most professions dont require physical strength and women are better socialiser. In my opinion as per my understanding of Quran men had superiority as they were providers, now that women can make their own monies and have better skills they should be considered the dominant gender. In west women are byfar the dominant gender. I treat both my beautiful wealthy wives with deference.
If anything population control is now required for welfare of Ummah.
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this needs its own reality TV show
I’m so jealous bro but I guess I will never have that eyebrows or glasses
because we live in a social world quite different from the one at the dawn of islam
I would like to ask the same question about slavery and concubines , why do muslims of today and esp women [hijabis included] find it so repulsive
while hypocrite pseudoscholars are writing books [like johnathan brown] distort its image and to justify it
Ive noticed in the west muslim scholars all of a sudden are so concerned about how we treat women ? why ? like u said money, its the girls that work like 90% of the time and most of them are the nucleus of the family not the old tribal way in which men were dominant.SO what do our mullahs do they change their tune to keep their clients happy
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this needs its own reality TV show
I’m so jealous bro but I guess I will never have that eyebrows or glasses
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Han ji this is almost our bobz pai with 2 down & 2 to go
Pehle eik se galian khatay thay. Ab duji se vi jootian khate hen
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Han ji this is almost our bobz pai with 2 down & 2 to go
Pehle eik se galian khatay thay. Ab duji se vi jootian khate hen
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Second treats me like a god, she just had major surgery and insisted on still rubbing my feet. Her over attention makes me uncomfortable and I run away to my downtown condo and alone time is the best
Agreed. A big fan of East Asian culture and philosophy!
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Agreed. A big fan of East Asian culture and philosophy!
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So true, I personally don’t box myself in any religious or cultural identity and pick and choose from any and all. West has many good principles but they subscribe to individualistic culture but evolving from Apes our DNA is group and social culture built in and this leads to many issues
I like the family focus on east but I like the fact in west where individuals are required to bear consequences of their actions, regardless of relationships
There are several cultural reasons for that push back.
1- Muslims who have grown up in countries where polygamy is forbidden by law haven’t witnessed any concurrent marriages in their community so they don’t really grasp the concept. Historically speaking, monogamy has never existed in human societies. Societies with absolute prohibitions are a historical anomaly, not the norm.
2- More important thing is, since it is outlawed in the countries where these people live, therefore, considering its benefits only increases cognitive dissonance so why support something one couldn’t benefit from anyway.
3- Many men in a position to get a second wife find it much easier to divorce their first wife so they are not bothered by her later on.
In my opinion, FWIW, the real choice is never between monogamy and polygamy, rather it is between marriage and extramarital relations. We all know of men who are married and develop mutual interest with another woman. Countries where polygamy is outlawed, there is no option for those men but to divorce the first wife to be able to marry again. Or continue onward forming extramarital relations.
When I was in Pak my Uber rich friend was sleeping with a different married woman every week, funny how men there think that they can do whatever and women won’t repay the favour
I don’t know why you always refer to the past, women are way more powerful than men in western societies. People need to look at present and the future.
The institute of polygamy was established to limit the number of women a man could marry, Arab men used to marry countless women befir Islam. Islam established regulated this institue with laws of Ehsaan and spirit of Taqwa. I am not polygamous and don't intend to be but I respect this institution and so does the women in my family who aren't oppressed women but are Alhamdulilah well accomplished in their lives:
Surat No 4 : سورة النساء - Ayat No 3
وَ اِنۡ خِفۡتُمۡ اَلَّا تُقۡسِطُوۡا فِی الۡیَتٰمٰی فَانۡکِحُوۡا مَا طَابَ لَکُمۡ مِّنَ النِّسَآءِ مَثۡنٰی وَ ثُلٰثَ وَ رُبٰعَ ۚ فَاِنۡ خِفۡتُمۡ اَلَّا تَعۡدِلُوۡا فَوَاحِدَۃً اَوۡ مَا مَلَکَتۡ اَیۡمَانُکُمۡ ؕ ذٰلِکَ اَدۡنٰۤی اَلَّا تَعُوۡلُوۡا ؕ﴿۳﴾
If you fear that you might not treat the orphans justly, then marry the women that seem good to you: two, or three, or four.If you fear that you will not be able to treat them justly, then marry (only) one,or marry from among those whom your right hands possess.This will make it more likely that you will avoid injustice.
we need negative population trends in many if not most muslim countries
Our “religious” muslim women in the west are the BIGGEST problem just look at these clowns
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_Sarsour
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashida_Tlaib
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilhan_Omar
dangerous rabble rousers and armchair [twitter] terrorists
we need more sane balanced leaders like this man
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuhdi_Jasser
I hear you I have perfected divorce as a very useful tool, one wife at a time is the best
**Bobby1 Bhai you have a very Mechanical Logic when saying “Islam needed rapid Population growth” That is such an Uneducated statement!..
At the time of our Holy Prophet PBUH it was The Prophets personality and his Dawah to All Mankind to join the ranks of Islam!..during the time in Medina in this period and soon after Fatah Meccah all of Arabia converted to Islam! 
mind you they were ALL Idol 
Worshippers and within one generation All became Muslim!
Even to this day Islam is the Fasted growing religion on our Planet because of Converts or Reverts and not because Muslims have a higher birth rate …
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So I have noticed that there is a lot of pushback and resistance from many religious muslims [both men and women ] against multiple marriages for men
makes me wonder whether we follow islamic morality in this respect or a victorian pseudoislamic model?
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I do not understand the concept of polygamy, unless it serves a purpose, which in this day and age it doesn’t. Remember, 4 wives was a way of trying to limit the number of marriages a man can commit to.
I can’t think of any reasons why a man needs to have more than one wife. Unless, he has parted ways with his first. In which case, everyone deserves a second shot at married life and companionship.
Why is it so hard to commit to one person and then try to make it work?
why should a man commit to one woman when Prophet [saw] has made it halal to marry multiple ones and have slavegirls , plus that is the example of the Sahaba [r.a] and Tab’een [r.a] as well
Can you name some source that says polygamy was only for a specific time and now its not valid ? or slavery for that matter ?
ofcourse we cannot have slavery in this day and age because of international laws but polygamy can exist so why should it not be practiced?
why is it so hard to commit ? well you get bored that is why. I mean my fav food is nihari but if i eat it every day I will be very bored of it too
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why should a man commit to one woman when Prophet [saw] has made it halal to marry multiple ones and have slavegirls , plus that is the example of the Sahaba [r.a] and Tab’een [r.a] as well
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Again, it was to limit the number of women you could marry, not an encouragement.
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Can you name some source that says polygamy was only for a specific time and now its not valid ? or slavery for that matter ?
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First and foremost, sunnah is not fard. Secondly, I did not claim that polygamy was prescribed for a particular period of time. All, I’m saying is that in this day and age, we can never live up to the expectations of other people, let alone deal with them justly.
I will quote directly from the word of Allah.
“but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one”
[al-Nisa’ 4:3]
We live in an age where personal desires trump all. Considering that, do you think you have what it takes to be just between multiple women that demand your attention? Let’s be honest, nobody is man enough to admit that they can’t.
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ofcourse we cannot have slavery in this day and age because of international laws but polygamy can exist so why should it not be practiced?
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Because there is no benefit to doing so. Yes, marrying a widow or an orphan would be considered an act of kindness perhaps, but lets be honest, lets assume you are in your 20’s, would you marry a widow who is in her 50’s?.
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why is it so hard to commit ? well you get bored that is why. I mean my fav food is nihari but if i eat it every day I will be very bored of it too
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No offense, but I feel bad for women that marry men with such mentality. Whatever happened to being loyal to one? Why are you using deen as an excuse, if you can’t keep your d**k in your pants?