very strange possibly never heard of situation…please help

My family is in the states and has been for the past 20 or so years. My parents are quite traditional, still with family values from back home. My sister came here when she was about 13-14 and grew up here in the states and got a proper college education. When it came time for marriage, several rishtas went by, and finally she settled to what was basically my parents choice. She agreed and went with it. The guy was someone my family knew from Pakistan, the guy was not educated but because she had to marry within the “bradri” according to customs, that’s what she got.

The guy was from Karachi and was a complete a*hole, manipulative type. Came to the states expecting my parents to do everything for him. He treated my sister like a slave, refused her from working, even seeing her own family as a means to blackmale my parents to get them to give him money. She went with it because she didn’t want to lose him. In her eyes he was always right and he brainwashed her to hate her own family. The marriage was always rocky but my sister just wanted it to work. She did everything for him and he would beat her as well. My parents were never aware of this because she kept it from them. Once he became a US citizen, he filed for divorce and also left his daughter and has never once attempted to contact her.

It has been ten years since her divorce and she has made my parents life a living hell. She is approaching 41 and her daughter is 16 in high school. My sister lives in my parents home, has not spoken to my mom in over ten years (literally, never even though they live under the same roof) because she blames her for all the problems in her life and for shes suffered. Even when her maternal grandmother passed away, she didn’t say a word to my mom. She refuses to take any responsibility for her actions (she is incredibly stubborn, and has the mentality that she is always right, she even told me she wants to break up her parents home as revenge). She refuses to remarry or even look for a guy as a means for punishing my parents to ensure that they will have to take care of her. She does not speak to any members of the immediate family or extended family including elders because she blames all of them for her life. She does not clean up after herself and leaves the dishes dirty and my mom has to take care of it. It has been ten years and she continues to act this way. The only person that she talks to is my dad and he gives her all the money, attention she wants, thinking that she will improve with time. He does occasionally yell at her when he can’t handle it anymore telling her what she is doing is wrong but it has no affect. She refuses to talk about the situation to anyone and if they speak to her about it, they become bad to her. I know that she has gone through a lot but it is no excuse to not take care of her own daughter and treat her family with disrespect when they tried their best to improve her situation but she hid things that would allow them to do so in fear that she will lose the guy.

Now I cant see my parents suffer anymore, they wont be around forever. They have apologized to her many many times for what happened but she can’t get past it and ignores everything. She has never taken care of herself but she is perfectly capable to get a job. Her daughter is approaching college age and will probably go off to college soon. She is being affected the most because she is the sweetest thing ever. All she wants to do is hang out with her cousins or see her aunts, uncles, etc. but her mother refuses all interaction with outside family. She even refuses her from seeing my brother and his family. Many many many people have tried talking to her but she only listens from one ear and out of the other—she ignores everything. Even her 16 year old daughter has been very frustrated and even told her mom that reality is that her parents wont be around forever and that she needs to get a job and take care of her own daughter because its her responsibility. Nevertheless she ignores it all and doesn’t respond. The ironic thing about all this is, that she spends most of her time doing religious activities at home—reading the Book, praying, educating herself on religious matters. The other times, she watches tv, uses the computer, takes her daughter to school, etc. but that’s it…for 10 years. She does not neglect her daughter. She has a handful of close friends who are also divorcees but they are all independent and taking care of their own finances, kids, working, etc.

We are really in a bind. Because she is my parent’s only daughter and they have a granddaughter to take care of, they are afraid to take any drastic measures and remove her from the house even if it would mean that she would have to start supporting herself. Please advise.

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in before it gets locked..

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PS: dude can you like make these a bit shorter? Too long is not good for trolling :nono:

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I hope your family has learned a good lesson of not marrying children blindly because its baradri.

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Probably help if an intervention is staged and she sees some counselor. This is something not usually considered in desi communities but could be of help. Otherwise if she is not open to it, ..she is 41, your folks should just give her an allowance which is enough for basics, get her a rental apartment and be done with it. She will either sort herself out or she will not.

I did not get the sense that she was forced into this, but that it was a selection which she agreed with. probably in mid 20s when she got married, by which time someone has an ability to evaluate and make decisions.

if I am incorrect and she was actually forced into the marriage, while it would have been wrong, its over...she did not seek support from family and hid the maltreatment by an abusive husband, at some point personal responsibility comes in. She is in victim mode and needs to snap out of it, and has not been able to. Thats why external expert intervention is probably needed.

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trust me i wish i was trolling but I am not. This has been an ongoing issue for them and we've tried interventions but the person has to at least be open to it, or willing to talk or even listen. I told my parents years ago that she needed to be out on her own and even though they understand, they dont have the heart or will to do it becuase its their only daughter. It's very very sad from all aspects. She doesnt understand that she's ruining her own life because she thinks she is right in what she is doing.

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does ur sister talk to u?

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I think its time to practice some tough love :(

Set her up with her own place to help her out if you guys can. Give her 6 months of full support, 6 months of half support and then cut it off.

She's 41 and I don't think this is going to get any better unless something drastic is done about it.

Things will get worse before they get better.

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I'm sorry that your family has been in such a sad situation for this long, and that your sister's life has been in a limbo for 10 years.

I agree with Reha, someone needs to practice some serious tough love. Your parents need to get over the fact that they don't want to do such and such because they don't have the heart for it. She needs to understand that whatever happened wasn't forced on her, and was no one's fault- esp. not your parents (I say that because you said she left the decision with your parents)

You, or any of your other siblings need to have a regular talk with her. It's not going to take a few days, but maybe weeks or months. But have her understand that your parents did what they could out of love. She needs to snap out of the sadness and be a responsible adult. She needs to know how hurtful she has been to her parents. I cannot believe that your mom has been tolerating this for 10 years, mA she must have the patience of a saint!

She needs to be independent, ASAP. Tell your dad to calmly explain to her why this is important. Emphasize that it will build confidence in her child and is important because they won't be around forever. Explain that her life didn't end with a divorce, bring in religion and try to connect to her that way since she's religiously inclined.

Have a talk with one of her close divorcee friends and have them explain it to her at the same time. My ideas are all over the place but InshAllah I hope one of these things will get through to her. Best of luck!

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I hereby declare OP racist. :@:

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She has friends who are divorced, any way you can reach out to them and have them try to talk some sense into her? Sometimes what a friend tells us can hit closer than what a famliy member does.

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he is brown so he should have brown maled your lot :D

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What's happening with the ex husband? If he has any contact with your sister indirectly , then perhaps your sister keeps on remembering what happened to her and she relives those moments in her head. That if she did that then, then this (her divorce) wouldn't have happened. You can separate her from your parents. It's hard but in about six months time, she'll begin to understand. I think your sister feels that right after divorce everyone coddled her saying everything will be fine but it never did turn out fine so she's hating and blaming on your parents that she didn't get to learn from her mistakes.

very strange possibly never heard of situation…please help

Your dad needs to stop giving the attention and money. Its only encouraging all this because she knows she can manipulate him and get away with it. He is the achilles heel. No one else matters.

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So sorry to hear about your situation.

Do you talk to your sister?

I think there is a lot more behind this story...most probably some disturbing events happened in your sister's life which she simply cannot cope with. Your sister sounds like she is suffering from serious depression and is battling with recurring bad memories which isn't something that can be cured easily. Also you don't just stop talking to your Mum or the rest of the family for 10 years over one issue...there is much much more to this story.

Has your sister tried to get professional help? I feel sorry for her daughter.

May Allah Ta'lah swt help you all.

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To be fair if the guy was picked or known by the parents in the first place how many (esp the more traditional ones) would take a stand and tell their daughter to leave or even offer actual practical support? Majority seem to just say 'have patience, he will change' :(

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^^

Totally agree with you. Many parents would rather not want the stigma of the divorce affect their family name. Sometimes I wonder if the family name is more important than the happiness of the child. While not encouraging the children to divorce at the drop of a hat, it is the moral duty of the parents to get the child out of an abusive relationship.

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you need to talk to your parents too, please tell them to stop feeling guilty, they are supporting her out of their own guilt. No parent wish anything like this happened to their child, if she would have told her what was going on while she was with that guy, may be they could do something to improve the situation.

Long story short, they have supported her for 10 years, thats LONG, she needs to be independent or atleats be sober and behave responsibly. Your parents need to move her out of their house and get her to be independent, reha gave a very good solution above.

Good luck, I hope things improve, you/or someone else thinking to do something about it is the first step.

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I'd probably be just as livid at my parents, she's been through a lot. She needs an intervention and then counselling. It's not easy getting over that kind of emotional trauma, especially when there's been physical abuse involved.

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^Same..

I don't find her behaviour that strange considering what happened..

Many ppl struggle after divorce even under 'normal' circumstances and here there was culture, family customs and so on to deal with (as well as the obvious fact they prob caused that situation in the first place)..