CB (Chicken Biryani) or whoever this female Pakistani Hater is…posted offensive, derogatory, hateful comments repeatedly against Pakistanis and Majority Pakistanis on this forum/billboard.
And she still represents GS as a moderator.
**Is this official position of GS/Paklink to hate Pakistanis or Majority Pakistanis?
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Really and seriously. How come a racist behavior is tolerated???
It is against international law to show and express generalized hatred against any race, color, religious or country of origin.
Her racist and hateful posts were liked by Shak09 ( A Channel Manager of this site), Reha and yet unknown ''ghost member " abemuf" who somehow comes and likes posts out of no anyone can see here having absolutely no opinion on the post whatsoever.
**My sincere question is:
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Does GS policy allow racist comments (against Pakistanis and hatred against Pakistanis or even Majority Pakistanis) as Chicken Biryani used it in her subsequent post when countered and questioned for her hateful remarks?
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i think CB is one of the most considerate and caring and loving person. i hold her in High esteem. i dunno what made you to come up with such hatred of your own against her.
btw, you didn't need to make this post...you could have asked Muzna, Teggy, Ehsan or Azkar bhais through PM...kia maqsad hai is post kaa Huzoor e waalaa?
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Diwana, you are making a mountain out of a mole hill.
CB was just expressing her frustration in a general way. Please don't nit pick her words. You know exactly what she meant when she said what she said. As KKF mentioned, CB is one of the most civil and cool minded person of GS. She is a Pakistani, her mom and dad are and husband is. She is as much of a red blooded Pakistani as you are. This is exactly the attitude (of her treating like a non Pakistani, which is obvious in your post) which probably pushed her and people like her to use the words that she used.
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i respect both posters due to sincerity in expressing their opinion and although the query is directed to baray log, my comment (although i am a bad guy here ) is that there is nothing in that post that cant be digested, specially if we have posters like khoji/firenze whose every third post deserve to be reported.
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I also like to add that we dont judge a poster (be it a mod or a non-mod) by his/her posting in just one thread, unless the poster is brand new member.
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So KKF posted first: Your opinion has no meaning here bhai jan. Even though I can spend some more time to answer your each and every word and sentence, but at the end no reason for me to do so. Let's just say you have no idea what you are saying or suggesting has already been done. Thank you for your two, three, four cents. The question is not directed to you or any Indian poster. :)
@ TLK: Making a mole of hill? Really?
I asked a simple question in simple words in English. I backed my position with evidence. Answer can be very specific as well. It is not about CB only, it is about why she is a moderator of this site with those hateful views which she consistently/repeatedly shown.
There is always a difference between a moderator and a member who is not a moderator appointed by the administration.
Just as an example: A policeman in New York would never be allowed to show hateful remarks against people from any given country otherwise it will be looked at as if his views are supported by US Govt. Govt. cannot come and say it is his/her personal views and leave that as it is.
You wear a badge, you represent an entity and you act responsibly and stay in limit. Period.
The questions remain:
*Is this official position of GS/Paklink to hate Pakistanis or Majority Pakistanis?
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Does GS policy allow racist comments (against Pakistanis and hatred against Pakistanis or even Majority Pakistanis) as Chicken Biryani used it in her subsequent post when countered and questioned for her hateful remarks?
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So KKF posted first: Your opinion has no meaning here bhai jan. Even though I can spend some more time to answer your each and every word and sentence, but at the end no reason for me to do so. Let's just say you have no idea what you are saying or suggesting has already been done. Thank you for your two, three, four cents. The question is not directed to you or any Indian poster. :)
if it wasn't directed at anyone else on the forum then why did you post your administration related question on the public forum? that's the contradiction in your own statement right there!
there, you have shown your hatred towards me as an Indian...and, you talk about hateful messages?
thank God, i am not going to respond to further comments from you, SIR!
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if it wasn't directed at anyone else on the forum then why did you post your administration related question on the public forum? that's the contradiction in your own statement right there!
there, you have shown your hatred towards me as an Indian...and, you talk about hateful messages?
thank God, i am not going to respond to further comments from you, SIR!
There was nothing whatsoever in my post which showed hatred towards Indians. I mentioned your Indian origin for the very reason that CB specifically showed hatred towards Pakistanis...not to Indians. Hence your opinion is just a waste.
But it does say a lot about you supporting her hating Pakistanis ;)
You are a senior member and should know this part of forum is mainly for Admins to respond to and question is directed to admins.
Please do not act like Southie and refrain from making non-sense comments and derail the thread. Thank you. You will be ignored from now on.
I also like to add that we dont judge a poster (be it a mod or a non-mod) by his/her posting in just one thread, unless the poster is brand new member.
Member stoppit was banned due to one just one comment on a blog.
Criteria here seems to be if u are agreeing with a mod or not
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btw, you didn't need to make this post...you could have asked Muzna, Teggy, Ehsan or Azkar bhais through PM...kia maqsad hai is post kaa Huzoor e waalaa?
Ive yet to receive an acknowledgement from these people you mentioned about a similar complaint i sent them via PM. I also reported the post/thread. I guess sometimes these things need to be discussed in the open? And no I didnt ask Diwana to open this thread :þ
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Diwana, you are making a mountain out of a mole hill.
CB was just expressing her frustration in a general way. Please don't nit pick her words. You know exactly what she meant when she said what she said. As KKF mentioned, CB is one of the most civil and cool minded person of GS. She is a Pakistani, her mom and dad are and husband is. She is as much of a red blooded Pakistani as you are. This is exactly the attitude (of her treating like a non Pakistani, which is obvious in your post) which probably pushed her and people like her to use the words that she used.
I don't think Diwana is making a mountain out of a molehill.
CB's comments which Diwana is referring to are uncalled for, and very offensive. She lashed out rudely out of nowhere, and justified her actions with weak arguments.
And now you are defending her with saying that she probably did it because she was treated like a non Pakistani. Yes, let's find more excuses as to why she might have done it.
If a member had used the same tone as she used against american pakistanis, saying that they are idiots and what not, and traitors, and that they live and fund in a country that kills many innocent muslims with their drones and so called wars on terror, and that they deserve the same fate as the innocent people who die because of drones in Pakistan, and that they aren't good muslims, and that they have no morals and everything else CB said.
If a member had said something among those lines (because probably that member was frustrated too, and you all know exactly why), then would your reply or attitude towards that fictive member would have been the same as it is now to miss Biryani?
No, it would not have been the same. Most of the people who ignored her comments would have jumped on the fictive person from left and right, and the comments would have been edited/deleted, resulting in a possible ban.
What Chicken Biryani said is the same as in the example that I used, except for that it was against Pakistanis living in Pakistan.
And I agree that CB is otherwise a decent member. But that doesnt give you a free pass to misbehave.
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oh well.....i got an infraction for writing way too mundane compared to what ms. chicken biryani said...
reason given was as follows :
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Please do not insult another member or a large group of members by writing things like people from xyz "a particular western country" are not normal.
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I just wanted to let my frustration be known as well.....on this same topic...since apparently whole threads intended to diss pakistanies are fair game.....but simple posts aimed at others are reprimanded severely....
PS: i don't have a problem if someone says stuff against pakistanis, just that it should be allowed to others as well.... forum policies shouldn't be one sided.
PS2: I hope this thread doesn't get locked too......like that original thread...where people of a particular disposition and authority had the last word and locked it...
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^ i was given points twice just because i quoted from some ones book that some moderators just did not wanted to let others know what that writers said .
matti pao bhaiyo, aik online forum per itni tension na lau.
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After I reported that thread (using the report icon) Shak09 and TLK’s posts that they accidently made after partyslims locked the thread, were removed promptly
Just because I jumped into this thread before any other admin could, I take responsibility of everything and promise that we will not lock this thread (sorry Huma, not by passing your authority but just want to make sure that the participant members in this thread get a full chance to express their frustrations) .
As the starter of the original thread, I just want to clarify that the thread was not against Pakistanis. Your comment is another example that people don’t consider non residents Pakistanis as Pakistani, cause the thread was only about in land Pakistanis vs overseas Pakistanis.
Sheeda, about your reported post, you included me in that reporting too saying that the ex director bullied a member and threatened him, and also the ex director posted after the thread was locked (which was an accident as for admins, posting option remains open and I missed the mod comment that thread is now locked). You conveniently ignored that on both instances, I admitted the mistake and publicly apologized to Zafra and to Partyslims.
Anyways, I will add to this and address all the concerns including the ones presented by Le Pak and Bao. I am posting from my phone and it’s not fun at all.
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AsSalaam o Alaikum,
I apologize that this thread was not addressed any sooner. I want to start with thanking the OP for reaching out to obtain clarification. It is through this means of communication, and expression of how we may be falling short of members' expectations that we are able to gauge ourselves as a team, and improve with member feedback. So thank you.
Now on to the topic, and question(s) asked.
It is Gupshup's policy to uphold Pakistani values, to promote them wherever possible, and allow all of our members regardless of where they originate from or currently reside to share, discuss, and debate on various everyday topics that may be prevalent in our society. Discussion forums are a medium just as the Television based, and radio based programs, to allow for a platform where the audience is the participant.
We always strive to build on the foundations that we have all grown up with, to reach a common ground that we can come together on. Any remarks which are deemed derogatory, and there is a deliberate, and well thought-out attempt to malign Pakistan are dealt with accordingly. One of the members cited that people have been banned previously. Without indulging in what goes in to a decision that may lead to one or other action, I can tell you for a fact that no member is just shown the door on their first instance of violating the forum guidelines because each of us is unique in our own way. We have our own ways of expressing our opinion; where those expressed opinions cause offense to others, we're here to help each other, and remind each other to be mindful.
I can understand the frustration, and unexpected disappointment that can result from the perceived message of a Team Member's remarks. It is worthy of discussion, and I encourage the discussion. However, please consider the fact that your fellow team members are on their toes 99.9% of the time in an effort to remain neutral and moderate within their defined framework. Just as the team members extend an olive branch to members, sometimes repeatedly in an effort to retain the member and keep them engaged in the overall contribution, it would seem fair that we should all return the same courtesy to the team member if they should slip and make a remark that is out of order, or is deemed offensive.
There is absolutely no room to brush things aside and minimize them because that would be a disservice to ourselves and our valued members like all of you who have participated in this very thread. What I am asking is to please continue to point out shortcomings, so that we may continue to improve. Gupshup values each member in the same stride as its' team members. Afterall, all the team members are from the combined pool of Gupshup members.
I do feel the need to apologize for the offensive/derogatory remarks made by the team member. I assure you though, that it was not deliberate and no malice was intended. It is very likely that the expression of opinion was on the questionable side of the spectrum, and that is something we will need to work on. Please do not allow the slips of team members to lose faith in Gupshup as a whole. Our policy is the policy that you all have helped us formulate and perfect overtime.
If a team member makes a remark that you find offensive, the Administrative Team retains an Open-Door, Always Available policy for our members. You can always reach out to one of the Channel Managers, or Administrative Team Members. The feedback we receive from you helps us create a team that will best facilitate you.
The discussion will be left open, so that brother Diwana can post any other questions, or address if anything has been left out. Thank for giving me the opportunity to address the concerns, and for those matters which I may not have sufficient information, I will make sure I reach out to someone who does and get back to you (all).
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Apologies, I was in Makkah since Thursday so couldn't tend to this thread earlier. However, Diwana I do remember responding back to your PM saying I understand where you're coming from and that I will make sure to bring your point across to my team. I didn't make any excuses, I didn't ignore your complaint but at the same time I did not feel the need to dramatize this issue any further by making people open public apology threads as you had demanded. So again I repeat that I understand why the posts in question would've offended you but the issue is being blown out of proportion when you start to question why CB is a GS mod. Calm down, please. I've taken note of your complaint and so has my team. Thanks for your feedback. And thanks so much TLK bhai and Teggy for tending to the thread in my absence.
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Thank you for replying. I read all of it and appreciate it very much.
Anyone who read this should read it very carefully each and every word: Thank you.
1- I have been posting for about 5 years and have enjoyed many of my best moments here during this time. Hope some other members did too.
2- There have been some occasions where I might not have agreed with the way situations were handled by admins or moderators. And I do understand there is always a room for mistake and neglect and there is always a room to improve for all of us since to err is human.
3- This issue has nothing to do with being emotional (as MissMalik or anyone would try to make it to be). Somehow she decided to become my spokesperson too.
4- I did not post the questions to become an advocate ONLY for Pakistanis.
5- The thread was started to get the clearance on very essential issue as the title says. This has to do with a matter of principle as well as a legal matter.
6- I mentioned universally accepted law on this matter too.
7- Being racist is plain and simple wrong and should never be tolerated, accepted, promoted or even supported. CB may deny all she wants, but her posts cleary without any doubt show this.
8- Continued position of CB (Chicken Biryani) as a moderator and a team member of this admins (regardless anyone agrees/likes or not) still means this behavior and position is approved by the admins.
9- No amount of words can make any difference unless actions follow the words.
10- No idea why admin team is so hell bent on keeping her as team member and continuously risking its reputation. Very mind boggling and disappointing.
Again:
It is not about just Pakistanis being hated, or called losers. It is about what is wrong and what is right.
**I say it categorically that any such ‘generalized hateful remarks’ against Chritians, Hindus, Jews, Indians, Ahmadis, Shia, Sunnis, Brelvis, Deobandis, Salafis, Sufis, Brits, Americans, Whites, Blacks, Gays/Lesbians, men, women..etc. Should never be tolerated.
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CB not only showed those sentiments but was adamant in supporting her bad and illegal behavior.
After-All we had Shak09 and Reha liking her offensive post. What does that give an impression???
A public apology in any form (not necessarily by opening a new thread) and being stripped away of her moderator-ship are what need to be done here. and Admins should not support her action in anyway so wrong impression is NOT created.
I have yet to see anyone clearly denouncing CB post from Admin team.
First: Congrats for your visit.
Now, I never dmanded a thread from CB to apologize publicly. What I said she could have apologized publicly in a thread. And I sent you this post by Exodus
saying she had a perfect chance to apologize or clarify but she did not. The thread ended there and she stayed quiet.
Bad behavior on top of being adamant, isn’t this not so obvious here?
**If someone is bold enough to say something derogatory in public then that person should have courage to apologize in public.
That is not dramatization.
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Please do not advise me to calm down, I am very calm and composed. I mentioned above the reason to start this thread. The issue is not blown out of proportion either. And if it was not that three members of Admin team agreeing with insults of Pakistanis and still being supported by the team then a thread might not needed to be started.
By the way: You could have told me you could not attend because of you being away or have forwarded the matter to Teggy bhai etc.
This still does not give good explanation why another member concern was not acknowledged and answered.
