At last Indian police won against Veerappan, no doubt after 25+ years of chasing.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1064537,0008.htm
Veerappan shot dead
Dreaded sandalwood smuggler Veerappan and three of his associates were killed on Monday night, a top police official told PTI.
Finally !!!!!
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Finally !!!!!
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Exactly my Sentiments
But he was a man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! a brave man indeed....
End of an era?
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But he was a man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! a brave man indeed....
End of an era?
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brave man? he was a social terrorist....
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But he was a man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! a brave man indeed....
End of an era?
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how was he brave? he was almost as much of a coward as osama.
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brave man? he was a social terrorist....
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Many of his deeds have been `ill- treated' by the media.When you reckon a criminal,yuou should know what consequences led him to that life.Veerappan surely was a criminal but he entered the world of atrocities after his sister was raped by policemen.Look at the fact that he left his home at the age of fifteen and he was a dreadful dream to two state governments for three long decades.To a great extent he was worshipped as a hero by his villagers as he had helped them for he owed them support and used to retaliate the police atrocities committed on his villagers.
Veerappan as many think,was not at all a bad hearted guy.Being branded as a notorious criminal,he always had sympathy for the down trodden people and in many of his highjacking dramas there were instances of his mercy extended to innocent civilians being released.
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how was he brave? he was almost as much of a coward as osama.
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Cn u brand these two people as cowards?I do nto think so.These two people worked for their aim .Veerappan was branded as a cruel brigand and he was hunted for decaded without any use untill he was shot dead.He always had sympathy for his strugglieng people.Osama,one just cant forget the jihad he launched at the Soviets and the Americans.
These two people may be certainly `notorious' but they are brave.
Beware of those who use the name of the people/ people's issues and feed them crumbs in their bid to make their riches.
Oh, by the way, he has killed only about 120 odd people, one of them, a Gandhian forest officer, Srinivas, who tried to take him through the right path. Veerappan called him over in the pretext of surrendering to this officer and cruelly beheaded him. He claimed in an interview later (Newstrack of India Today group) that he still possessed the severed head as a souvenir.
He shot his first elephant when he was 10.
Gesto, can you poat any link to confirm of life hisory of Veerrappan, I mean the reasons of his becoming a decoit.
So far I think that you lack information.
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Beware of those who use the name of the people/ people's issues and feed them crumbs in their bid to make their riches.
Oh, by the way, he has killed only about 120 odd people, one of them, a Gandhian forest officer, Srinivas, who tried to take him through the right path. Veerappan called him over in the pretext of surrendering to this officer and cruelly beheaded him. He claimed in an interview later (Newstrack of India Today group) that he still possessed the severed head as a souvenir.
He shot his first elephant when he was 10.
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Veerappan alleged Sreenivasa molested the chastity of his sister..
That means there are two sides for a strory ....
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Gesto, can you poat any link to confirm of life hisory of Veerrappan, I mean the reasons of his becoming a decoit.
So far I think that you lack information.
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Gesto means information (iTs a malayalam word)
Here is some of his deeds...........Finally its over
Sandalwood smuggler Veerappan's chronology
Chennai, Oct 19. (PTI):Following is the chronology of forest brigand Veerappan, leading to his death in an encounter last night.
July 1987: A Tamil Nadu forest officer Chidambaram is kidnapped and lynched.
Jan 1989: Five members of a rival gang are kidnapped and killed.
Aug 1989: Three forest personnel of Begur forest range of Tamil Nadu are killed. Their mutilated bodies are recovered 19 days later.
Jan 1990: A Sub-Inspector and a head constable are shot by Veerappan gang, following gunning down of two of his members by Tamil Nadu police.
Apr 1990: In the first direct attack, Veerappan ambushed and mowed down three Sub-Inspectors and a constable, including Dinesh, an officer, who had been "hot on his trial".
May 1990: Special Task force constituted to nab the poacher.
Nov 1990: R Srinivas deputy conservator of forests is shot and beheaded. Srinivas was blamed for the death of Mari, Veerappan's sister. Head is traced three years later.
Feb 20,1992: Son of a granite quarry owner kidnapped in Karnataka and Rs one crore ransom demanded. Quarry owner pays Rs 15 Lakh as ransom.
May 20, 1992: Swoops down on Ramapura police station, killing policemen and taking away a cache of arms.
Jun 15, 1992: STF kills four of Veerappan's gang in Nellur village. Veerappan sends a note, saying 'I will finish all of you'.
Aug 14, 1992: Veerappan traps STF SP, Harikrishna and 27 police personnel. Bombed Harikrishna, Ahmed and four others.
Apr 1993: A bus carrying Tamil Nadu police personnel is blown up near Palar killing 22 personnel including civillians, SP 'Rambo' Gopalakrishnan hurt in the attack.
May 1993: Attacks Karnataka SP, Gopal Hosur and party at M M hills, killing six policemen.
Jul 1993: BSF begins operations in the forest area, nabs 19 members of the gang.
Aug 1993: Series of encounters with BSF and Veerappan gang claim lives of 18 gang members and three policemen. Few months later, Veerappan sends audio cassette, seeking amnesty.
Dec 1994: DSP, Directorate of Vigilance and anti-corruption Chidambaranathan and two companions kidnapped from Coimbatore district. They escape on Dec 31 after 27 days, under the cover of STF onslaught.
Veerappan's brother, Arujunan and two gang members Ayyadyrai and Rangaswamy, surrender.
Nov 1995: Three forest officials kidnapped in the Anthiyur forest in Erode and a ransom of Rs five crore sought. Hostages set free 20 days later after Rs.3.5 lakh is paid unofficially.
Dec 1995: Veerappan attacks TN STF, two personnel killed. The attack is to avenge the death of Arjuna and Rangaswamy who had consumed poison in STF custody.
Jan 1996: Attack on Tamil Nadu SP, Tamilselvan and party, killing a constable and injuring the SP.
Apr 1997: After a lull of nearly one year, the bullet ridden body of Veerappan's heir apparent 'Baby' Veerappan is found in the forests.
July 1997: Ten forest personnel are kidnapped. One is sent back with a surrender offer on a cassette. On Aug 5 another hostage reaches Chennai with the Tamil Magazine 'Nakkeeran' editor, R R Gopal. Others are released later.
Dec 21 1998: Veerappan and gang attack Vellitiruppur police station in TN, decamped with nine guns, ammunition after this major operations, Veerappan with reduced strength of his supporters lies low, seeks amnesty and holds negotiations with Tamil Nadu Government.
Apr 28 1999: Another major attack, three forest officials are kidnapped near Hogenekkal in TN's Dharmapuri district. Letters and audio cassette are sent to the district collector.
Jul 30 2000: Sensational abduction of Kannada matinee idol Rajkumar and four others from Doddagajanur guest house. One of the hostages, Nagappa escapes from their clutches.
Aug 25 2002: Former Karnataka Minister H Nagappa is abducted. Body found after some days.
Gesto, i did not ask the translation of your nick.
Can you provide any authentic link related to Veearrappan story, that someone raped his sister and he became a bandit.
Gesto wrote: "Many of his deeds have been `ill- treated' by the media.When you reckon a criminal,yuou should know what consequences led him to that life.Veerappan surely was a criminal but he entered the world of atrocities after his sister was raped by policemen.Look at the fact that he left his home at the age of fifteen and he was a dreadful dream to two state governments for three long decades.To a great extent he was worshipped as a hero by his villagers as he had helped them for he owed them support and used to retaliate the police atrocities committed on his villagers.
Veerappan as many think,was not at all a bad hearted guy.Being branded as a notorious criminal,he always had sympathy for the down trodden people and in many of his highjacking dramas there were instances of his mercy extended to innocent civilians being released."
Gesto wrote (again): "Cn u brand these two people as cowards?I do nto think so.These two people worked for their aim .Veerappan was branded as a cruel brigand and he was hunted for decaded without any use untill he was shot dead.He always had sympathy for his strugglieng people.Osama,one just cant forget the jihad he launched at the Soviets and the Americans.
These two people may be certainly `notorious' but they are brave."
Ok, I posted this all together to address the issue of reason. It doesn't matter what you go through in this life, only Allah/God makes the guidelines for the way you live and ONLY Him. As a test of faith he may throw things at you that you may not agree with or he may test your faith severely with circumstance. But only Allah/God can give and take life. As soon as you do that, you are are no longer right with Him and no longer following the laws/rules/commandments you are given.
There is no reason for taking a life at all. There are better ways to fight injustice, look at the great leaders and their examples of the way they created change without killing anyone. No one will respect killers only fear and resent them.
As far as Osama being a "brave" man, there is nothing brave about sending other people to die and to kill other people. Especially innocent civilians because you do not agree with a government. This proves nothing except you have no regard/respect for life or the One who gives it and proves you are a coward.
If you are looking for heroes, try finding those who earn the title not those who just grab it.
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well said.
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Many of his deeds have been `ill- treated' by the media.When you reckon a criminal,yuou should know what consequences led him to that life.Veerappan surely was a criminal but he entered the world of atrocities after his sister was raped by policemen.Look at the fact that he left his home at the age of fifteen and he was a dreadful dream to two state governments for three long decades.To a great extent he was worshipped as a hero by his villagers as he had helped them for he owed them support and used to retaliate the police atrocities committed on his villagers.
Veerappan as many think,was not at all a bad hearted guy.Being branded as a notorious criminal,he always had sympathy for the down trodden people and in many of his highjacking dramas there were instances of his mercy extended to innocent civilians being released.
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what ever is the reason behind you being a bad guy, i dont care how society drove you in to it. if you killed 120 ppl, 2000 elephants than you dont deserve to live and he wasnt a hero, he was a schum who survived becoz of politics. if he didnt have political support then he would have been dead a long time ago.
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Ok, I posted this all together to address the issue of reason. It doesn't matter what you go through in this life, only Allah/God makes the guidelines for the way you live and ONLY Him. As a test of faith he may throw things at you that you may not agree with or he may test your faith severely with circumstance. But only Allah/God can give and take life. As soon as you do that, you are are no longer right with Him and no longer following the laws/rules/commandments you are given.
There is no reason for taking a life at all. There are better ways to fight injustice, look at the great leaders and their examples of the way they created change without killing anyone. No one will respect killers only fear and resent them.
As far as Osama being a "brave" man, there is nothing brave about sending other people to die and to kill other people. Especially innocent civilians because you do not agree with a government. This proves nothing except you have no regard/respect for life or the One who gives it and proves you are a coward.
If you are looking for heroes, try finding those who earn the title not those who just grab it.
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well ,what u have said is just a description of ur moral thoughts those have been implanted by our society but when it comes to real life,you will see these things are being broken everywhere.When one sees his /her family members molested or butchered by someone ,its quite natural that he/she gets loose off the track and sets out for vengeance.
It can be simply told that in such a situation most of the people wont wait for Alla/God's mercy.
Well,here can be another side to it when when the holy Bahgavath Geetha calls for `Karma' when one has to do it at the right time.
Osama here ,I think he simply did what he was suppossed to do ,that means to call a `jihad' and even if we watch him in the pre-text of terror ,one should not forget that he gave up all his luxurious life,for the Afghan people,which in other way he could have simply enjoyed the life style of a millionaire.
Here u said:-
As far as Osama being a "brave" man, there is nothing brave about sending other people to die and to kill other people. Especially innocent civilians because you do not agree with a government. This proves nothing except you have no regard/respect for life or the One who gives it and proves you are a coward.
If you are looking for heroes, try finding those who earn the title not those who just grab it.
Can u really tell that he had forced ur so called innocent civilians' to fight for his cause?They werejihadis' who fought against the soviets and with taliban later,and surely there were not forced to fight but they were simply allured to the call of `Jihad'.
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what ever is the reason behind you being a bad guy, i dont care how society drove you in to it. if you killed 120 ppl, 2000 elephants than you dont deserve to live and he wasnt a hero, he was a schum who survived becoz of politics. if he didnt have political support then he would have been dead a long time ago.
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This shows the `narrow-mindness' of our society .These kinds of thoughts will only help create more and more criminals.Nobody can deny the fact that these killings had been taken place but steps to ensure that no such circumstance generates to produce criminals like these are most important.
Atleast there should be some reins on the noose of security forces who rape civilians,kill them in cold-blood.
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well ,what u have said is just a description of ur moral thoughts those have been implanted by our society but when it comes to real life,you will see these things are being broken everywhere.When one sees his /her family members molested or butchered by someone ,its quite natural that he/she gets loose off the track and sets out for vengeance.
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And when will the search for vengence end? In what generation? It is my moral code, yes. I never said that you had to roll over and play dead for injustice and wait for divine intervention, I said there are better ways to deal with injustice than lowing yourself into the gutter.
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It can be simply told that in such a situation most of the people wont wait for Alla/God's mercy.
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That is their choice, but again, there are ways to correct injustice besides killing or becoming the agressor. One can be strong and assertive and create change without having to kill or torture. When you choose that path, you choose to continue the cycle of violence and hate, not to break it.
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Well,here can be another side to it when when the holy Bahgavath Geetha calls for `Karma' when one has to do it at the right time.
Osama here ,I think he simply did what he was suppossed to do ,that means to call a `jihad' and even if we watch him in the pre-text of terror ,one should not forget that he gave up all his luxurious life,for the Afghan people,which in other way he could have simply enjoyed the life style of a millionaire.
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My husband works 6 days a week, 12 hours a day and never takes a vacation. I work at a University five days a week. We have a car that is about 14 yrs old and we live in a rather run down section of our city. We own a number of gas stations, stores, and are quite well off ourselves. If I decide to kill someone on the street because I don't like paying taxes and I am not living the way I could be, does this make me a hero too? No, our way is to send every family member we have in the USA and in Pakistan to college and to give life and honor to the next generation, not to kill them off.
My husband is my hero, not a man who could be putting his money to work in a positive way but chose instead to create more chaos and hate. There were better and stronger ways for him to create change, he chose the cowardly way.
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Can u really tell that he had forced ur so called innocent civilians' to fight for his cause?They werejihadis' who fought against the soviets and with taliban later,and surely there were not forced to fight but they were simply allured to the call of `Jihad'.
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I never wrote innocent citizens were fighting for his cause, they are as lost as he is. What I did write is that the people he is killing are innocent civilians. May want to read that again. I did say he sends his people to their deaths rather than doing his own dirty work.
Maybe it is the VERY loose application of the word hero that you are using that is making me cringe. To myself, a hero is someone you wish to strive to be and when you claim someone as a hero, people will judge you the same as they judge that person. If Osama or Veerappan are your heroes, this says alot about you.
I am praying that you just don't understand what constitutes a hero.