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And when will the search for vengence end? In what generation? It is my moral code, yes. I never said that you had to roll over and play dead for injustice and wait for divine intervention, I said there are better ways to deal with injustice than lowing yourself into the gutter.
That is their choice, but again, there are ways to correct injustice besides killing or becoming the agressor. One can be strong and assertive and create change without having to kill or torture. When you choose that path, you choose to continue the cycle of violence and hate, not to break it.
My husband works 6 days a week, 12 hours a day and never takes a vacation. I work at a University five days a week. We have a car that is about 14 yrs old and we live in a rather run down section of our city. We own a number of gas stations, stores, and are quite well off ourselves. If I decide to kill someone on the street because I don't like paying taxes and I am not living the way I could be, does this make me a hero too? No, our way is to send every family member we have in the USA and in Pakistan to college and to give life and honor to the next generation, not to kill them off.
My husband is my hero, not a man who could be putting his money to work in a positive way but chose instead to create more chaos and hate. There were better and stronger ways for him to create change, he chose the cowardly way.
I never wrote innocent citizens were fighting for his cause, they are as lost as he is. What I did write is that the people he is killing are innocent civilians. May want to read that again. I did say he sends his people to their deaths rather than doing his own dirty work.
Maybe it is the VERY loose application of the word hero that you are using that is making me cringe. To myself, a hero is someone you wish to strive to be and when you claim someone as a hero, people will judge you the same as they judge that person. If Osama or Veerappan are your heroes, this says alot about you.
I am praying that you just don't understand what constitutes a hero.
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Your reply tells the whole story that how you rate a `hero' and I wil say that you have mistaken me for what I have said abt veerappan and Osama.Certainly these peole are not my heroes but these may be heroes to a great section of the people.I called them braves with all the reason I have put, but when you judge a hero ,at least for me, he/she should be working for the masses.
Obviously he/she should not be for individuals but for the masses and in that case Gandhi is my hero,Subash is my hero,Jinnah is my hero(with some disputes),Ahmad shah masood is my hero(the legend ofcourse :) ),Douglas Mc.Arthur is my hero and they put their efforts to liberate masses .Yes its true that they killed people and inflicted casualities on any side but for me they stood for their aim and they are heroes for me.
Yes these people were braves also :)
Let me tell u one thing.It may be ur affluent life style that makes u think like that or the belief or system in which you brought up but my dear friend u just cant taste the sourness of the reality living in a dental palace but you can only get that when u go in to the deep of the reality.
Osama ,whatever be ur conceptions he gave away all he had and worked for his cause amidst threats on his life.That makes him brave.
I am sorry for the misunderstanding about the hero thing. I maybe picked up the wrong idea from the posts. Thank you very much for setting me straight on that.
You are you REALLY wrong about affluent lifestyle, where on earth did you get that?? Both of us were dirt poor, both of us have lost people we loved to violence, both of us have had family members raped and degraded, both of us were living on the streets at one point. My point is that instead of letting violence and bad times pull us down we struggled for years to get where we are. We are in a good spot now, but ONLY because we worked hard and sacrificed, we were not handed anything.
Don't ever believe that people who work and speak for peace do so only because they don't know better, sometimes they have seen things so horrible that they know something has to change.
I think you have a good head on your shoulders, but you are just young and are just a bit sheltered.
Be well.
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*Originally posted by minah_pa: *
I am sorry for the misunderstanding about the hero thing. I maybe picked up the wrong idea from the posts. Thank you very much for setting me straight on that.
You are you REALLY wrong about affluent lifestyle, where on earth did you get that?? Both of us were dirt poor, both of us have lost people we loved to violence, both of us have had family members raped and degraded, both of us were living on the streets at one point. My point is that instead of letting violence and bad times pull us down we struggled for years to get where we are. We are in a good spot now, but ONLY because we worked hard and sacrificed, we were not handed anything.
Don't ever believe that people who work and speak for peace do so only because they don't know better, sometimes they have seen things so horrible that they know something has to change.
I think you have a good head on your shoulders, but you are just young and are just a bit shelter
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Be well.
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Indeed this good head on shoulders makes me feel that I myself is hero and the reason for that is a hero is determined with his deeds driven by his thoughts and not with his impulses.
All in my life time I have fought to challenges successfully and despite backlashes ,I never let my mind to sink in the depression but equipped it to come out like a finix bird.So for me I am myself is hero and thats why I see heroes around me.But there is sure distinction between heroes and braves and one can put that all braves are not heroes but all heroes are braves.
It all depends upon the way u think,the way u take the things the way u interpret them.Surely it varies from people to people.
Get a great life
it took soo much time