Valentines day? - History and Islamic Perspective

[psyah]

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Not really. Valentine's day is not only for unmarried people but also for married people.

Peace again mercenary2k

I know that is the idea but my point was that the author of that article you posted was not purporting it that way LOL ...

That depends on the interpretation. People in Saudi Arabia execute people if they convert from Islam to any other religion. But in reality when people in Taif converted to Islam and then reverted back to pagan worshipping but they were also forming armies to overthrow the Muslims. And so they committed treason. But regardless, I can celebrate Valentine's Day, Christmas, Yom Kippur, St. Patrick's Day, Easter, and Holi without losing my muslim identity. People like you may think that betrays Islam but I disagree.

Execution of converts is a red-herring ... You will be amongst those people on the Day of Judgment who you most resemble ... so continue to do what you think best.

What exactly are we worshipping on Valentine's Day?

Its a non-religious event.

To the owners of the event it has indeed become non-religious, because that is the way it can be effectively utilised as a another consumer product. However, Islam sees celebrations as a form of worship, and anything that is not based on religion as a celebration is considered frivolous and sets us on the path to empowering the self - Nufs. Even the bazaar was disliked by our prophet Muhammad (SAW).

It was Pagan worship thousands of years ago. How many people were sacrificed to Pagan Gods on Valentine's Day in 2008?

Get a reality check

I acknowledge that already ... I did say rooted in pagan worship, I didn't infer by any stretch of the imagination that it takes place today. It doesn't change my stance nor does it change the effect of the ruling. Herein lies your reality check demand from me!

You can celebrate this event as you want to. Some will celebrate it with their girlfriends and others with their wives.

That is true ... but the platform for such an event is not for the permissible that would be too easy or pointless because such niceties can be done with ones missus whenever, it is the excuse people find to voice their 'love' for others when during the year it would probably earn a slap or two, they would get away with it on this occassion. That is unIslamic ... and that aspect alone removes the potential "benefit" you see in it with ones spouse.

I think Parents deserve one day to be alone and enjoy each other's company instead of having to take care of their kids.

I think when we have kids we know exactly where our responsibilty lies on ALL members of the household ALL of the time. This life is not one for leisure ... Islam rewards hard work mister!

All Religious celebrations do. Christmas, Yom Kippur, etc... But again, this is not a religious celebration

It appears by your response that Eid for you is no different to these external and/or rejected practices. Unfortunately religious celebrations should encourage those things but today they have mostly become commercialised and have lost their effect ... especially their effect in bringing people closer to God. Eid still does this! Not only is Valentine's Day an ex-religious practice of the pagans, but also it has no need because it is non-religious ... I'm sorry but your argument of it being non-religious is worse than if it were religious.

Then let them twiddle their thumbs. You are going to ban an entire celebration just because a segment of the population cannot celebrate it?

I'm not banning it ... LOL .... I don't have that much authority, I'm encouraging the status of it to remain taboo in Muslim countries, that is all I can possibly do.

Good for them that they have done so but there also other companies who encourage Valentine's Day, give their employees time off to go spend the day with their significant other

In America no doubt !!! Land of the secular-excuse-to-adopt-every-failed-pagan-ritual.

No its just you.

Together with the majority if not all of the religious Muslims

Trying to create excuses why celebrating Valentine's Day is un-Islamic when I have just proved it is not.

You have not proven anything brother ... things like this cannot be proven until the Yawm Al-Akhira or until when Mahdi or Isa (AS) enter and inform us again. We can but only be as sincere as we can with our Deen. Anything that is not part of Islam is unIslamic ... anti-Islamic well that is debatable ... but unIslamic it truly is. Thanks

[USResident]

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@Faisal

^ Celebrating birthdays are haraam, brother, and probably bid'ah too (need to confirm from sister hareem).

Happy B'day anyway. So your birthday is 7th Safar, and 7 may be your lucky number too, unless lucky numbers are also haraam (dunno).

Thank you for the B'Day wish. As for Sr. Hareem just so you know, to me all my muslim sisters are respectable irrespective of whether I agree with their opinions/inclinations or not. Respect is important whether it be PCG or Hareem, both are the same for me or be it a brother as well.

Guppies here are not merely icons, they are actually people with thoughts and feelings. Many probably go back from here feeling something or learning something. This may not be a board of scholars but nonetheless it is a channel of communication and medium of education. Just to preserve the sanctity of it from that perspective we should learn to accord respect to one another.

[USResident]

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@ravage

Happy Birthday USResident

I agree with what you say about the current meaning of things like Valentine or Basant having nothing to do with whatever originated it. It is funny to me that the only one commemorating St. Valentine or Garbar Singh and keeping alive their legacy happens to be the people pontificating against it.

I mark neither, for reasons similar to yours, and because I’ve never flown a kite.

JAK.

[Seminole]

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Anything that is not part of Islam is unIslamic ... anti-Islamic well that is debatable ... but unIslamic it truly is. Thanks

Then 95% of your life is unIslamic. Unfortunately your shortsightedness only allows you to see the areas that are not part of Muslim culture as being unIslamic.

[Hyperactive]

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Well, it's important for western society to celebrate Valentines...They hardly stick together for more than a year so why not celebrate Valentines for the year you profess love to someone...Next year will be another year and another person...

Muslims shamefully follow this thinking 'aw my gawd, he sent me roses...' Chill lady...You deserve to be shown love only once every year...So make a big fuss out of it...

[Unkilon_ke_Abba_Jaan]

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@Hyperactive

Well, it’s important for western society to celebrate Valentines…They hardly stick together for more than a year so why not celebrate Valentines for the year you profess love to someone…Next year will be another year and another person…

Muslims shamefully follow this thinking ‘aw my gawd, he sent me roses…’ Chill lady…You deserve to be shown love only once every year…So make a big fuss out of it…

hahahahahahahaha

[mercenary2k]

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@psyah

Peace again mercenary2k

I know that is the idea but my point was that the author of that article you posted was not purporting it that way LOL …

Regardless, you cannot dismiss this celebration by your own narrow views

@psyah

Execution of converts is a red-herring … You will be amongst those people on the Day of Judgment who you most resemble … so continue to do what you think best.

What is best is written in the quran and no where does it say to execute Apostates

@psyah

To the owners of the event it has indeed become non-religious, because that is the way it can be effectively utilised as a another consumer product. However, Islam sees celebrations as a form of worship, and anything that is not based on religion as a celebration is considered frivolous and sets us on the path to empowering the self - Nufs. Even the bazaar was disliked by our prophet Muhammad (SAW).

So, celebrating Pakistan’s independence day is a form of worship or celebrating Basant is a form or worship

@psyah

I acknowledge that already … I did say rooted in pagan worship, I didn’t infer by any stretch of the imagination that it takes place today. It doesn’t change my stance nor does it change the effect of the ruling. Herein lies your reality check demand from me!

The reality check that you need is that you are claiming since Valentine’s Day roots come from Paganism thus it makes it a form Pagan worshipping that we celebrate it and thus making it un-Islamic. But your reality check lies in the fact that Valentine’s Day has deviated heavily from its original roots

@psyah

That is true … but the platform for such an event is not for the permissible that would be too easy or pointless because such niceties can be done with ones missus whenever, it is the excuse people find to voice their ‘love’ for others when during the year it would probably earn a slap or two, they would get away with it on this occassion. That is unIslamic … and that aspect alone removes the potential “benefit” you see in it with ones spouse.

Not really. People show their love to each other on their anniversaries, special dates, birthdays, father’s day and mother’s day. Valentine’s day is yet another day in which they can show their love to each other.

@psyah

I think when we have kids we know exactly where our responsibilty lies on ALL members of the household ALL of the time. This life is not one for leisure … Islam rewards hard work mister!

That post pretty much sums up the ridiculousness of your arguments

@psyah

It appears by your response that Eid for you is no different to these external and/or rejected practices. Unfortunately religious celebrations should encourage those things but today they have mostly become commercialised and have lost their effect … especially their effect in bringing people closer to God. Eid still does this! Not only is Valentine’s Day an ex-religious practice of the pagans, but also it has no need because it is non-religious … I’m sorry but your argument of it being non-religious is worse than if it were religious.

How exactly has Eid not become commericalized? And again you repeating the Pagan line like a parrot. Valentine’s day origins may have been Pagan but that is not what it is today.

@psyah

I’m not banning it … LOL … I don’t have that much authority, I’m encouraging the status of it to remain taboo in Muslim countries, that is all I can possibly do.

And you have failed utterly and totally to convince me otherwise and Valentine’s day is spreading all over the muslim world

@psyah

In America no doubt !!! Land of the secular-excuse-to-adopt-every-failed-pagan-ritual.

That is what gives America its strength, its great diversity. A concept you fail utterly to comprehend

@psyah

Together with the majority if not all of the religious Muslims

Really, so people who are against Valentine’s Day are considered better muslims than those who are indifferent?

Great logic

@psyah

You have not proven anything brother … things like this cannot be proven until the Yawm Al-Akhira or until when Mahdi or Isa (AS) enter and inform us again. We can but only be as sincere as we can with our Deen. Anything that is not part of Islam is unIslamic … anti-Islamic well that is debatable … but unIslamic it truly is. Thanks

But who decides what is what is and what is not a part of Islam.

Quran does not mention the Internet, TV, Cars. Does that make them Un-Islamic?

Your logic defeats you yet again.

And by the way, that was too easy. Come up with better responses next time

[hazara]

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@mercenary2k

What facts are those?

You already called me a Kuffar, that is your fact?

or the utter nonsense that you copy and paste from your so called Scholars

Seriously Hareem, if people like you were running the world the leading cause of death would be suicide out of sheer boredom

she called you a kuffar? lmao doesnt she realize that kuffar is plural? lol some people.

[Crescent]

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thanks for finally admitting it

It was clear from the start actually. No brainer.

[Seminole]

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Well, it's important for western society to celebrate Valentines...They hardly stick together for more than a year so why not celebrate Valentines for the year you profess love to someone...Next year will be another year and another person...

Or Muslims may shamefully engage in arranged marriages where there is no love. Or a woman may have to share her love for her husband with 3 other wives. Or a Muslim may be made to feel that having sex with their spouse is a debasing and filthy act. Or a Muslim woman may have to prove her love to her spouse and Islam by living under a potato sack for the whole world except her husband (who is footloose and fancy free to strut his stuff wherever he pleases). So maybe you shouldn't feel so superior about your culture.

[hazara]

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http://umarlee.com/2007/08/21/the-taboo/

this guy sums up the frustration problems evident with those who hate valentine’s day (i.e. hyperactive, crescent_, hareem01, and others)

[Crescent]

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@hazara

http://umarlee.com/2007/08/21/the-taboo/

this guy sums up the frustration problems evident with those who hate valentine’s day (i.e. hyperactive, crescent_, hareem01, and others)

I see so the blog of this guy is legit, however the blogs of sunnis sufferieng in Iran is not.

How old are you again?

[PyariCgudia]

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Peace and LOL mercenary2k

Even the journalist associates Valentine's Day to love outside marriage ... not only will Valentine's Day bring out the 'love' but it will increases their chances of being caught. I agree with Sara516 this article does not support the argument of Valentine's Day being compatible with Islam.

PyariCgudia asks if there is anything in the Qur'an that condemns celebrating other people's festivals ... there are implcit verses to this effect, however, if she wants explicit then the same question can be asked to her, where it states in the Qur'an that we either should or are allowed to celebrate other people's customs with them.

The word EID has been misunderstood too ... In Arabic the translation of Valentine's Day is Eid al-Hubb ... The celebration of love. We are specifically told to hold fast to our own celebrations, and the number given was 2, Eid ul-Fitr and Eid ul-Adha, which means that:

1) Celebration is an act of worship and new celebrations are thus considered bid'aa 2) The ruling of which are subject to the source of the celebration ... i.e. some celebrations that are new but are based in Islam and no other people does it and the consequences of this are good then this bid'aa can be considered a 'hasana', but Eid-ul-Hubb is comfortably rooted in pagan worship and illicit sexual contact. 3) All the merchandise revolving around this event is lude and sexual, there are some down toned versions for couples. 4) It is specifically for the love of one to the other, it does not encopass love for many, so the children will be ignored by their parents on such a day, or a married couple will ignore their own parents on such a day. 5) Islam's celebrations involve not only the whole family and whole set of friends but also the community at large. 6) Also for Muslims it isolates this celebration to only those people who are married, all non-married Muslims will need to twiddle their thumbs on this occassion.

It is not really that important of a festival either ... people see it as an excuse to play around ... Some companies have banned Valentine's Day to avoid sexual harrasment cases occurring in the work place ... this is in Western societies !!!

It seems we give more of damn for this useless celebration than even the non-Muslims ... so what are we doing have we asked ourselves?

I'll decide what I worship and what I don't worship, thanks very much.

[mercenary2k]

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It was clear from the start actually. No brainer.

Yup, couldn't agree more

[psyah]

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Then 95% of your life is unIslamic. Unfortunately your shortsightedness only allows you to see the areas that are not part of Muslim culture as being unIslamic.

Peace Seminole

Have you been stalking me? LOL Otherwise you cannot possibly be qualified to comment on my life.

she called you a kuffar? lmao doesnt she realize that kuffar is plural? lol some people.

Peace hazara

1) Hareem01 did not call him "kuffar" nor did she call him kafir ... read back and see
2) The fact that the word "kuffar" is used points to that fact ... she was saying something about not following "kuffar" ...

I'll decide what I worship and what I don't worship, thanks very much.

Peace Sister PyariCgudia

The decision is yours ... then this conversation stands as witness that advice was given ... but not taken.

[psyah]

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@mercenary2k

Regardless, you cannot dismiss this celebration by your own narrow views

Peace again

The dismissing has been done herein, but this section is reserved for that “regardless” … a tacit agreement I see no doubt … yep … the article was counter-intuitive!

@mercenary2k

What is best is written in the quran and no where does it say to execute Apostates

As I said the topic of execution of apostates is a red-herring it does not belong here … right now we are talking about who we most resemble.

@mercenary2k

So, celebrating Pakistan’s independence day is a form of worship or celebrating Basant is a form or worship

These celebrations are pointless and inevitably take people away from the remembrance of God, I did not say that they were a form of worship I said that the concept of ‘celebration’ is a form of worship according to Islam … it is Eid in Arabic. Eid is part of Islam … Eid = celebration.

@mercenary2k

The reality check that you need is that you are claiming since Valentine’s Day roots come from Paganism thus it makes it a form Pagan worshipping that we celebrate it and thus making it un-Islamic. But your reality check lies in the fact that Valentine’s Day has deviated heavily from its original roots

No read again … I said if it something that originates in worship outside Islam then it is outlawed according to the ‘ruling’ given to it by Islamic jurisprudence. The fact that it serves “no religious” purpose today makes it even more problematic because that is classed as a “foolish” set of motions to be adopting.

@mercenary2k

Not really. People show their love to each other on their anniversaries, special dates, birthdays, father’s day and mother’s day. Valentine’s day is yet another day in which they can show their love to each other.

Hey, the argument about Valentine is specifically about the bringing together of two people who are not allowed to be together, this it encourages, the majority of activities on this day happen this way. A married man with two kids in our office gave a raunchy card to another woman in the office this could not have been done in public viewing if not for this occassion … his illicit behaviour was open for all to see and mull over … All of the above celebrations in your post are frivolous … my point stands.

@mercenary2k

That post pretty much sums up the ridiculousness of your arguments

Agreed that you find my points ridiculuous at least you have this as an explanation. As I said you can do what you like … I too am doing what I think is better.

@mercenary2k

How exactly has Eid not become commericalized? And again you repeating the Pagan line like a parrot. Valentine’s day origins may have been Pagan but that is not what it is today.

I like that ‘pagan line like a parrot’ !!! Yes unfortunately people are trying to commercialize on Eid, but the fact of Eid is a lot more visible we must pray and thank Allah (SWT) greatly on Eid … not so on the other occassions.

@mercenary2k

And you have failed utterly and totally to convince me otherwise and Valentine’s day is spreading all over the muslim world

The fact that it is spreading is not proof of it’s acceptability in Islam rather it is proof that Allah (SWT) is beginning to leave current Muslims to their own devices and is bringing about a new Ummah to take the banner of Islam.

@mercenary2k

That is what gives America its strength, its great diversity. A concept you fail utterly to comprehend

No no I understand it alright … what I fail to understand is that you think diversity without checks and balances is a good thing.

@mercenary2k

Really, so people who are against Valentine’s Day are considered better muslims than those who are indifferent?

Great logic

Careful … you are putting words and adding meanings to my posts. Who am I to judge? and Allah (SWT) is my witness on this … I said ‘religious Muslims’ I did not say ‘better’ Muslims. I said the ones who know more about Islam and behave accordingly are those who do not practice Valentine’s Day. To be better or worse is not for us to say because different people have different capabilities … it is not to say that Allah (SWT) will test me in the same way as He tests you because Allah (SWT) Knows what his creation is capable of and provides the most Just reward to all.

@mercenary2k

But who decides what is what is and what is not a part of Islam.

Quran does not mention the Internet, TV, Cars. Does that make them Un-Islamic?

Your logic defeats you yet again.

And by the way, that was too easy. Come up with better responses next time

Valentine’s Day and such innovations you mention above are all subject to the classification of rulings in Islam … there are sciences behind this … TV and cars are all called bid’a … so unIslamic again does not mean it is against Islam unless of course there are consequences that lead to haram or harm.

And Allah (SWT) Knows Best. You don’t need convincing on my part … this is as much I am prepared to write … I am not particularly drawn to replying to your posts as you make it out that I am a dummy and probably I am.

[hanibal]

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@Seminole

Wow, what a perfect, peace-loving existence Muslims have had over the centuries. It really is a shame all these evil kuffar are ruining the earth for all the righteous Muslims. :halo:

Same can be applied on non-muslims, i cannot remember a single incident where Non-muslims has been labeled as peace-lovers or peace makers, even in todays so called educated world, non-muslims are the warmongers…

anyway, u can bash muslims as much u want, as we are ( because of our decreasing faith on Allah and the book) most weak group of people, who will do anything to not to be labeled as Muslim.

last but not least, u and every body are free to take whatever path they want to choose ( as this is why human beings were created). u can celebrate valentine, basant, or what ever festival they want, but these festivals will remain against the soul of Islam.

[hanibal]

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Or Muslims may shamefully engage in arranged marriages where there is no love. Or a woman may have to share her love for her husband with 3 other wives. Or a Muslim may be made to feel that having sex with their spouse is a debasing and filthy act. Or a Muslim woman may have to prove her love to her spouse and Islam by living under a potato sack for the whole world except her husband (who is footloose and fancy free to strut his stuff wherever he pleases). So maybe you shouldn't feel so superior about your culture.

So you want to say that, fooling around with others for a day or two is better then wedded with some one?

Every human being ( male/female) have problems in this world, no one had perfect life, atleast muslim women don't have to go into pubs to look for one night stand or set into an illegal relationship ( which btw is being resisted by Church of Rome) for an average of 6 months and then turn to someone else.

Unlike western women, Muslims women is considered head of family or atleast earn respect of most of the family members ( 100% is not acheivable in any case) and not like western women who when cannot satisfy man's lust is thrown into old houses or a quarantine i may say, untill they are dead.

Few so-called muslims are adopting the same in muslim world but again most of them are the one who will throw their older generation in isolation and celebrate valentine and other unislamic festivals...
(thanks to western/non-muslim culture)

[mercenary2k]

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Peace again

The dismissing has been done herein, but this section is reserved for that "regardless" ... a tacit agreement I see no doubt ... yep ... the article was counter-intuitive!

The article showed people have different opinions even in places such as Afghanistan

As I said the topic of execution of apostates is a red-herring it does not belong here ... right now we are talking about who we most resemble.

It was analogy on how an historical event has been misused by countries. If they can do it to this then they can they apply that to many other things

These celebrations are pointless and inevitably take people away from the remembrance of God, I did not say that they were a form of worship I said that the concept of 'celebration' is a form of worship according to Islam ... it is Eid in Arabic. Eid is part of Islam ... Eid = celebration.

Then again, you are saying celebrating Pakistan's independence day is taking away from remembrance of God or is a form of worship?

No one can be as archaic as that.

No read again ... I said if it something that originates in worship outside Islam then it is outlawed according to the 'ruling' given to it by Islamic jurisprudence. The fact that it serves "no religious" purpose today makes it even more problematic because that is classed as a "foolish" set of motions to be adopting.

Again, you are wrong. Valentine's day is not a day when we are worshipping. Its a celebration to show one's love to someone they care about. Nothing wrong in that. Your narrow interpretation of Islam will then render many things that we today do as Un-Islamic.

That would mean that celebrating Pakistani cricket team winning the Cricket World Cup as Un-Islamic?

Hey, the argument about Valentine is specifically about the bringing together of two people who are not allowed to be together, this it encourages, the majority of activities on this day happen this way. A married man with two kids in our office gave a raunchy card to another woman in the office this could not have been done in public viewing if not for this occassion ... his illicit behaviour was open for all to see and mull over ... All of the above celebrations in your post are frivolous ... my point stands.

You are taking extreme cases and presenting them as the norm. Most people celebrate valentine's day with their loved ones. You cannot cast aside an entire event just because an action of a few. Isn't that what you always complain about when all muslims are portrayed as Terrorists.

Agreed that you find my points ridiculuous at least you have this as an explanation. As I said you can do what you like ... I too am doing what I think is better.

Good. But I am not saying that you by not celebrating Valentine's day is doing something against Islam. You seem to have gotten in your head that anyone who celebrates somthing non-Islamic is doing something un-Islamic. They are not.

I like that 'pagan line like a parrot' !!! Yes unfortunately people are trying to commercialize on Eid, but the fact of Eid is a lot more visible we must pray and thank Allah (SWT) greatly on Eid ... not so on the other occassions.

When are people praying to God on Valentine's Day. Again you are mixing things up. Think of Valentine's day like Pakistan's Independence Day or celebrating a sporting victory or a anniversary between couples. It has no religious connotation. If you are against Valentine's Day due to it takes worship away from God then you must also be against these other celebrations as well.

The fact that it is spreading is not proof of it's acceptability in Islam rather it is proof that Allah (SWT) is beginning to leave current Muslims to their own devices and is bringing about a new Ummah to take the banner of Islam.

People in Pakistan and other places do a lot more un-Islamic things than celebrate Valentine's Day. Like Palm reading, black magic, astrology, etc.... and have been doing it for centuries. Valentine's Day is a harmless exercise in compassion and love.

No no I understand it alright ... what I fail to understand is that you think diversity without checks and balances is a good thing.

But you are being judge, jury and executioner by passing a verdict that Valentine's Day is bad. Why should your opinion supersede other's?

Careful ... you are putting words and adding meanings to my posts. Who am I to judge? and Allah (SWT) is my witness on this ... I said 'religious Muslims' I did not say 'better' Muslims. I said the ones who know more about Islam and behave accordingly are those who do not practice Valentine's Day. To be better or worse is not for us to say because different people have different capabilities ... it is not to say that Allah (SWT) will test me in the same way as He tests you because Allah (SWT) Knows what his creation is capable of and provides the most Just reward to all.

But doesn't your post lead to the fact that people who are more religious Muslims are also better Muslims?

Valentine's Day and such innovations you mention above are all subject to the classification of rulings in Islam ... there are sciences behind this ... TV and cars are all called bid'a ... so unIslamic again does not mean it is against Islam unless of course there are consequences that lead to haram or harm.

But you kept repeating that Valentine's Day originated in Paganism and thus it is un-Islamic due to its origin. What about TV? Why is that not Haram? The TV broadcasts XXX movies, and thus taking one extreme example, as you did with that man sending that woman that valentine's card, does that mean we should ban the TV?

And Allah (SWT) Knows Best. You don't need convincing on my part ... this is as much I am prepared to write ... I am not particularly drawn to replying to your posts as you make it out that I am a dummy and probably I am.

No, I wanted to engage in a civil debate as to why people like you think we cannot celebrate other cultures, traditions and festivities.

So far you have failed to convince me.

[hanibal]

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^^ dear mercenary2k,

I don't celebrate the valentine, infact I am hardline opposer to this day and all the events which are killer to a soceity in its nature, it may include the muslim festivals of eid.

Islam has not declared any particualar festival haram, yet it has given certain guidelines to the followers, some of them may are, that people should not do ISRAAF, 2ndly the festival shouldn't be promoting evils ( lust and bay-haya'e ( sorry i don't know english word for this), and i am sure there are plenty others.

Having focus of Valentine, most of the time, it do the both things which i have mentioned above, ( as matter of fact, chand-raat have same nature), that's why i consider them un-islamic. again this is my prespective and reason, one have right to disagree and make his on point.

There are many festivals which are good and should be endorsed by muslims (atleast living in united states) one of them is Thanks giving day, i personally like the spirit of the festival, though in east we are very much family oreinted by i guess these bonds are now weakening.

As i said earlier and many times, Islam is a vast religion which can adopt many regional activities, given they do not contradict with the teachings of Islam.