Re: Valentines day? - History and Islamic Perspective
A never Ending story …
so ppl take your seats and enjoy the show … 
Re: Valentines day? - History and Islamic Perspective
You can disagree with me but you cannot change the facts...no one can.
What facts are those?
You already called me a Kuffar, that is your fact?
or the utter nonsense that you copy and paste from your so called Scholars
Seriously Hareem, if people like you were running the world the leading cause of death would be suicide out of sheer boredom
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What facts are those?
You already called me a Kuffar, that is your fact?
or the utter nonsense that you copy and paste from your so called Scholars
Seriously Hareem, if people like you were running the world the leading cause of death would be suicide out of sheer boredom
Beacause you disagree with the Scholars doesn't mean the Scholars are wrong...you're the one who's posting utter non sense by copy pasting....you learn your islam from newspapers...i don't.
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There are lots of things Muslims can be doing to make this world a better place. A very long list indeed. Condemnin/stopping a holiday that celebrates love has got to rank down in the hundreds of millions or billions on that list.
In general Muslims Tends to work out to make this world a better place to live, but they find obstacles... like, someone want to make billion Dollars profits from Arms industry ( no muslims country manufacture and sell them) and at the same time these arms-trader come with days like Valentine in roder to promote so-called love cum lust, and make billion dollars out of it as well.
Muslims in recent centuries never started violence, infact they were the target. From a non-muslim prestective, the best scenario is, muslims just die quietly and don't offer any resistance to the brutal acts of non-muslims against them.
Like what happend in Bosnia, what is going on in Afghanistan and Iraq, how th muslims was mascared in Chechaniya and Lebanon, that all seems to be nothing to non-muslims, but when a muslim stand and says Valentine is for non-muslims, and Islam has nothing to do with LUST-Promoting event, then the non-muslims comes up with different lables for those.
A question for Muslim Brother and Sisters who are advocating this festival and wishing it to all...
How many of yours allows your sisters/daughters to celebrate this event with their boy-friends? and how many of you will make your daughters and Sisters celebrate it with their B-friends?
it is a simple question, one should ask to themselves, i need no answer here.
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Wow, what a perfect, peace-loving existence Muslims have had over the centuries. It really is a shame all these evil kuffar are ruining the earth for all the righteous Muslims. :halo:
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^stop bashing and stick to the topic.
@mercenary2k
Do you believe in Qur'an?
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lol @ "bashing". Just another example of how everything kuffar does is evil I guess. So, so sensitive.
Tell your friend who used this thread to talk about the righteousness of Muslims and evil of kuffar about sticking to the topic, not me.
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Thanksgiving has no pagan origin but Valentines or holloween has...you can celebrate them but I won't...end of the story. Don't stop us from showing the origin of these events and the islamic perspective on it.
I don't stop non muslims from celebrating their paganistic events but I don't take part in them because I'm a muslim.
You don't have to celebrate them. That's the beauty of a moderate point of view in Islam, because there is no such thing as force. Likewise, I can celebrate them and over my dead body you'd stop me.
However, Islam does teach us that we should not manipulate it or lie about it, and that's what you're doing Hareem. You're making something NOT permissable and saying that Islam says its not permissable, and yet you can't find even one Quranic ayah that asks us not to celebrate any event other than Eid. Clearly we can, as you don't have a problem with Thanksgiving. Therefore, your argument that the REASON we can't celebrate Valentine's Day is because it has roots in pagan traditions is completely moot. So many muslims around the world celebrate things that stem from a pagan root. Lets look at Pakistan. How many women have Mehndi's? That's a hindu tradition. Putting on hina is not, but many of the rasams done in Mehndi's specific to family history are certainly pagan. You can do classical dance as an art form, in Pakistan, and that too is pagan in origin. Now, no one dances for the hindu gods in Pakistan anymore, but you can still learn the dance form and practice it as an art. Men and women both learn it, and you are certainly welcome to perform as a woman in a woman-only audience. Regardless, the dance is still completely pagan in origin.
Therefore a holiday that no longer has any pagan significance and isn't even celebrated as such ANYWHERE in the world as descriped by the OP's historical accounts, is not a problem. Consider that the pagan holiday has evolved into something completely harmless if practiced properly by muslims. Much like Islam came out of a pagan past. Much like some rituals (ex. hajj rituals) came out of a pagan past. Much like your burqa and hijab and abaya are modified versions of what pagan Arab women would wear.
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Beacause you disagree with the Scholars doesn't mean the Scholars are wrong...you're the one who's posting utter non sense by copy pasting....you learn your islam from newspapers...i don't.
Besides a news article, what exactly did I copy and paste?
As for scholars. There are plenty of quacks out there. Just because they seem to conform to your view does not make them right.
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^stop bashing and stick to the topic.
@mercenary2k Do you believe in Qur'an?
Yes I believe the Quran, do you?
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Peace and LOL mercenary2k
Even the journalist associates Valentine’s Day to love outside marriage … not only will Valentine’s Day bring out the ‘love’ but it will increases their chances of being caught. I agree with Sara516
this article does not support the argument of Valentine’s Day being compatible with Islam.
PyariCgudia asks if there is anything in the Qur’an that condemns celebrating other people’s festivals … there are implcit verses to this effect, however, if she wants explicit then the same question can be asked to her, where it states in the Qur’an that we either should or are allowed to celebrate other people’s customs with them.
The word EID has been misunderstood too … In Arabic the translation of Valentine’s Day is Eid al-Hubb … The celebration of love. We are specifically told to hold fast to our own celebrations, and the number given was 2, Eid ul-Fitr and Eid ul-Adha, which means that:
- Celebration is an act of worship and new celebrations are thus considered bid’aa
- The ruling of which are subject to the source of the celebration …
i.e. some celebrations that are new but are based in Islam and no other people does it and the consequences of this are good then this bid’aa can be considered a ‘hasana’, but Eid-ul-Hubb is comfortably rooted in pagan worship and illicit sexual contact. - All the merchandise revolving around this event is lude and sexual, there are some down toned versions for couples.
- It is specifically for the love of one to the other, it does not encopass love for many, so the children will be ignored by their parents on such a day, or a married couple will ignore their own parents on such a day.
- Islam’s celebrations involve not only the whole family and whole set of friends but also the community at large.
- Also for Muslims it isolates this celebration to only those people who are married, all non-married Muslims will need to twiddle their thumbs on this occassion.
It is not really that important of a festival either … people see it as an excuse to play around … Some companies have banned Valentine’s Day to avoid sexual harrasment cases occurring in the work place … this is in Western societies !!!
It seems we give more of damn for this useless celebration than even the non-Muslims … so what are we doing have we asked ourselves?
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Yeah so valentines day is over.
next year sahi 
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Peace and LOL mercenary2k
Even the journalist associates Valentine's Day to love outside marriage ... not only will Valentine's Day bring out the 'love' but it will increases their chances of being caught. I agree with Sara516 this article does not support the argument of Valentine's Day being compatible with Islam.
Not really. Valentine's day is not only for unmarried people but also for married people.
PyariCgudia asks if there is anything in the Qur'an that condemns celebrating other people's festivals ... there are implcit verses to this effect, however, if she wants explicit then the same question can be asked to her, where it states in the Qur'an that we either should or are allowed to celebrate other people's customs with them.
That depends on the interpretation. People in Saudi Arabia execute people if they convert from Islam to any other religion. But in reality when people in Taif converted to Islam and then reverted back to pagan worshipping but they were also forming armies to overthrow the Muslims. And so they committed treason. But regardless, I can celebrate Valentine's Day, Christmas, Yom Kippur, St. Patrick's Day, Easter, and Holi without losing my muslim identity. People like you may think that betrays Islam but I disagree.
The word EID has been misunderstood too ... In Arabic the translation of Valentine's Day is Eid al-Hubb ... The celebration of love. We are specifically told to hold fast to our own celebrations, and the number given was 2, Eid ul-Fitr and Eid ul-Adha, which means that:
1) Celebration is an act of worship and new celebrations are thus considered bid'aa
What exactly are we worshipping on Valentine's Day?
Its a non-religious event.
2) The ruling of which are subject to the source of the celebration ... i.e. some celebrations that are new but are based in Islam and no other people does it and the consequences of this are good then this bid'aa can be considered a 'hasana', but Eid-ul-Hubb is comfortably rooted in pagan worship and illicit sexual contact.
It was Pagan worship thousands of years ago. How many people were sacrificed to Pagan Gods on Valentine's Day in 2008?
Get a reality check
3) All the merchandise revolving around this event is lude and sexual, there are some down toned versions for couples.
You can celebrate this event as you want to. Some will celebrate it with their girlfriends and others with their wives.
4) It is specifically for the love of one to the other, it does not encopass love for many, so the children will be ignored by their parents on such a day, or a married couple will ignore their own parents on such a day.
I think Parents deserve one day to be alone and enjoy each other's company instead of having to take care of their kids.
5) Islam's celebrations involve not only the whole family and whole set of friends but also the community at large.
All Religious celebrations do. Christmas, Yom Kippur, etc... But again, this is not a religious celebration
6) Also for Muslims it isolates this celebration to only those people who are married, all non-married Muslims will need to twiddle their thumbs on this occassion.
Then let them twiddle their thumbs. You are going to ban an entire celebration just because a segment of the population cannot celebrate it?
It is not really that important of a festival either ... people see it as an excuse to play around ... Some companies have banned Valentine's Day to avoid sexual harrasment cases occurring in the work place ... this is in Western societies !!!
Good for them that they have done so but there also other companies who encourage Valentine's Day, give their employees time off to go spend the day with their significant other
It seems we give more of damn for this useless celebration than even the non-Muslims ... so what are we doing have we asked ourselves?
No its just you.
Trying to create excuses why celebrating Valentine's Day is un-Islamic when I have just proved it is not.
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Hareem dont let these modernized Muslims trouble you. Give them the message of Islam, if they refuse to accept it and go about justifying things that are not part of Islam, then let them be.
Pray that they are guided.
For I have never seen such foolishness in my life. What a sad loss.
Celebrating it is one thing, but making it a part of islam, Astagfrullah.
May Allah have mercy on us all, and guide us all.
Re: Valentines day? - History and Islamic Perspective
Hareem dont let these modernized Muslims trouble you. Give them the message of Islam, if they refuse to accept it and go about justifying things that are not part of Islam, then let them be.
Pray that they are guided.
For I have never seen such foolishness in my life. What a sad loss.
Celebrating it is one thing, but making it a part of islam, Astagfrullah.
May Allah have mercy on us all, and guide us all.
So you and hareem decides who is a muslim and who isn't
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Yeah, thats exactly what we mean 
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As if there aren’t any Islamically accepted tradtions have its roots in pagan rituals. :halo:
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As if there aren’t people in this world who talk about stuff they dont understand :halo:
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thanks for finally admitting it
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Now who does that remind me of 