Valentines day? - History and Islamic Perspective

[mercenary2k]

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^^ Again, who the HELL cares what its origins were

I don't care if Valentine's Day Originated from a Satanic Cult that sacrificed babies. What matters is what it today celebrates

[hareem01]

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@mercenary2k

Hareem is your wife? Didn’t know that

In regards to consumerism, you mean to tell me that Eid is not consumer driven?

What holiday is not consumer driven?

I personally find no harm in celebrating Valentine’s Day

Infact, we decorate our house with christmas lighting when its Christmas, and we eat a turkey during thanks giving, and we celebrate when its Canada’s Independence Day and we celebrate New Years and I celebrate St. Patrick’s Day with my Irish Friends by drinking Coke while they drink beer.

So what is the harm in that?

You guys are so uptight

Eid is charity driven if you remember how to celebrate it. I find a harm in celebrating valentine’s Day, it doesn’t make my soul happy.

[mercenary2k]

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And Besides, people like these are never going to triumph over Love

[mercenary2k]

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@hareem01

Eid is charity driven if you remember how to celebrate it. I find a harm in celebrating valentine's Day, it doesn't make my soul happy.

Eid is Charity driven but Consumerism has seeped into it.

As for saying that I don't know how to celebrate Eid only reinforces my point of you thinking that anyone who doesn't practice Islam the way you do is a Kaffir

As for Valentine's Day, you choosing not to practice it, that is your perogative, but don't go preaching to the world that any Muslim who does is a traitor to Islam or mis-guided because its neither

[mercenary2k]

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People celebrating Valentine’s Day in Pakistan

[hareem01]

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@mercenary2k

Eid is Charity driven but Consumerism has seeped into it.

As for saying that I don't know how to celebrate Eid only reinforces my point of you thinking that anyone who doesn't practice Islam the way you do is a Kaffir

As for Valentine's Day, you choosing not to practice it, that is your perogative, but don't go preaching to the world that any Muslim who does is a traitor to Islam or mis-guided because its neither

Eid is Charity driven but Consumerism has seeped into it.
How so?
You know you don't have to come here and read what I'm posting from different Scholars.

[hareem01]

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@mercenary2k

People celebrating Valentine’s Day in Pakistan

This shows that this valentine day is only for rich to celebrate…poor people have no share in it. You’ve added another reason against it by showing us these pics, thanks.

[mercenary2k]

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@hareem01

Eid is Charity driven but Consumerism has seeped into it.
How so?

How so?

Lets see the Arab Media makes TV programs around Eid. Their biggest TV and Movies are aired at this time.

Eid Discounts, Eid Sales, are all done by businesses.

Eid bonuses are given to employees, airlines change the pricing of tickets

and many others…

Please Hareem, why do u need the obvious pointed out to you

@hareem01

You know you don’t have to come here and read what I’m posting from different Scholars.

Who cares what that Scholar said. If he is wrong then he is wrong. Scholar doesnt give him any moral authority over me.

If the Scholar said that the sun sets in the east and rises in the west, you will believe that too.

[mercenary2k]

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@hareem01

This shows that this valentine day is only for rich to celebrate....poor people have no share in it. You've added another reason against it by showing us these pics, thanks.

not a whole lot of poor people in the west celebrate Valentine's Day too

I have people in my office who take feb 14 off to celebrate it with their significant other but others in my office who don't make as much money, cant take that day off

It applies everywhere

But the difference is that if you are well off enough, Pakistanis would in fact celebrate it

[Sara516]

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@mercenary2k

People celebrating Valentine’s Day in Pakistan

that is cute and sweet… but only if its btwn married couples. not this bf/gf college hs crap that ppl in pak be do

[hareem01]

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@mercenary2k

How so?

Lets see the Arab Media makes TV programs around Eid. Their biggest TV and Movies are aired at this time.

Eid Discounts, Eid Sales, are all done by businesses.

Eid bonuses are given to employees, airlines change the pricing of tickets

and many others…

Please Hareem, why do u need the obvious pointed out to you

Do you have to give charity on Valentines day to poor?

@mercenary2k

Who cares what that Scholar said. If he is wrong then he is wrong. Scholar doesnt give him any moral authority over me.

If the Scholar said that the sun sets in the east and rises in the west, you will believe that too.

I can ask the same question about following the West blindly…even there is a hadith that says near the End Times we’ll be following Kuffar blindly.

[mercenary2k]

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080215/wl_sthasia_afp/lifestyleafghanistanreligionromanceculture;_ylt=AmPKP2tZtvOMUynPjxvVdcdvaA8F

Love is tough in Afghanistan

by Waheedullah Massoud 18 minutes ago

KABUL (AFP) - Five young Afghan women slipped out to lunch in an upmarket Kabul eatery on Valentine’s Day, each wearing a red scarf in a wink to the day of love – a difficult pursuit in Afghanistan.

“It was fun. We also bought a cake,” said one of them, a 26-year-old employee of an international nongovernment organisation who asked to be called Jamila to hide her identity.

The red scarves were a sign known only to this group of friends whose brush with foreigners introduced them to Valentine’s Day – an event largely unknown in Afghanistan, where love outside of marriage is taboo.

Three of them even have boyfriends but it would be a scandal if their parents found out.

They had bought the guys gifts to be handed over at an early dinner, Jamila said. “But, of course, it is a secret occasion that no one is meant to know about except us.”

Sharifa, another modern Kabuli girl, told her relatives she was having lunch with her best girlfriend. “She is trusted by our family,” the 23-year-old said the day before February 14. “Instead I will go out with my boyfriend.”

Her lunch was a daring breach of cultural and religion in a society where rigid custom means unrelated girls and boys rarely mix and marriages are fixed by parents.

But even though the tatty winter roses in the capital’s famous Flower Street were not dressed up for love this year, Valentine’s Day is creeping into modern Afghanistan – although still under the radar of the conservatives who rail against it in other Islamic countries.

“Our society is driven by strict traditions,” said Jamila. “Even families willing to give freedom to their children refrain from doing so to avoid scandal and criticism.”

Afghanistan’s decades of war and turmoil, and the rule of the hardline Taliban, imposed another layer of conservatism on an already strictly religious society.

“It takes time, I suppose decades, to catch up with the caravan of civilisation of the rest of the world, to transform century-old practices considered as family pride to the needs of today,” said Mohammad Farid, 31.

Violations of these customs can result in “honour killings”, in which families kill a woman deemed to have insulted the family name. There are no figures for this kind of murder but hundreds are believed to go unreported to police.

Farid, a property dealer, is unmarried – rare in Afghanistan for someone of his age although many men have to save for years to afford the costly and lavish weddings dictated by tradition.

He would not say if he had a girlfriend but he lamented the lack of places to take a date.

“If you are rich, you can rent a room in a high-class hotel to have private moments, otherwise you use telephones or SMS (instant messaging) as the only means of private communication,” he said.

Even in Kabul – a bubble of modernity in mostly rural and illiterate Afghanistan – cinemas, concert halls and public parks are off limits to women and said to be frequented only by “bad men.”

“The only place a boy and a girl feel comfortable to talk to each other, without fingers being pointed at them, is the university campus where they together as classmates,” Jamila said.

Despite the restrictions on couples, love is all around in Afghanistan: there are new television soaps with romantic intrigue, Bollywood movies and sometimes-racy music videos, as well as ancient Afghan love poems and ballads.

The conservatives, including in government, grumble about “unIslamic values” and disrespect of culture.

But youngsters here, as anywhere, find ways to “break the chains,” Farid said.

“Some daring couples take the risk of trying of make time for themselves, going to each others’ houses while the rest of the family is away, driving around in their cars or meeting up at shopping centres,” he said.

[Sara516]

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^ Okay tahts not helping your position or argument.. lol

[mercenary2k]

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@hareem01

Do you have to give charity on Valentines day to poor?

Of course not. Valentine’s Day is not about charity, its about expressing your love for your significant other

Just like Thanksgiving is about European immigrants cultivating their first successful harvest in the new world or Halloween is ending the harvest season.

@hareem01

I can ask the same question about following the West blindly…even there is a hadith that says near the End Times we’ll be following Kuffar blindly.

So now you are calling me a Kuffar.

I don’t follow the West blindly, I just don’t live a hateful life condemning others who don’t do what I do but instead join in celebrating their events and showing mutual respect as they would do to us

[mercenary2k]

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@Sara516

^ Okay tahts not helping your position or argument.. lol

Nah its ok

I have pretty much destroyed Appa Hareem’s arguments

[hareem01]

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@mercenary2k

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080215/wl_sthasia_afp/lifestyleafghanistanreligionromanceculture;_ylt=AmPKP2tZtvOMUynPjxvVdcdvaA8F

Love is tough in Afghanistan

by Waheedullah Massoud 18 minutes ago

KABUL (AFP) - Five young Afghan women slipped out to lunch in an upmarket Kabul eatery on Valentine’s Day, each wearing a red scarf in a wink to the day of love – a difficult pursuit in Afghanistan.

“It was fun. We also bought a cake,” said one of them, a 26-year-old employee of an international nongovernment organisation who asked to be called Jamila to hide her identity.

The red scarves were a sign known only to this group of friends whose brush with foreigners introduced them to Valentine’s Day – an event largely unknown in Afghanistan, where love outside of marriage is taboo.

Three of them even have boyfriends but it would be a scandal if their parents found out.

They had bought the guys gifts to be handed over at an early dinner, Jamila said. “But, of course, it is a secret occasion that no one is meant to know about except us.”

Sharifa, another modern Kabuli girl, told her relatives she was having lunch with her best girlfriend. “She is trusted by our family,” the 23-year-old said the day before February 14. “Instead I will go out with my boyfriend.”

Her lunch was a daring breach of cultural and religion in a society where rigid custom means unrelated girls and boys rarely mix and marriages are fixed by parents.

But even though the tatty winter roses in the capital’s famous Flower Street were not dressed up for love this year, Valentine’s Day is creeping into modern Afghanistan – although still under the radar of the conservatives who rail against it in other Islamic countries.

“Our society is driven by strict traditions,” said Jamila. “Even families willing to give freedom to their children refrain from doing so to avoid scandal and criticism.”

Afghanistan’s decades of war and turmoil, and the rule of the hardline Taliban, imposed another layer of conservatism on an already strictly religious society.

“It takes time, I suppose decades, to catch up with the caravan of civilisation of the rest of the world, to transform century-old practices considered as family pride to the needs of today,” said Mohammad Farid, 31.

Violations of these customs can result in “honour killings”, in which families kill a woman deemed to have insulted the family name. There are no figures for this kind of murder but hundreds are believed to go unreported to police.

Farid, a property dealer, is unmarried – rare in Afghanistan for someone of his age although many men have to save for years to afford the costly and lavish weddings dictated by tradition.

He would not say if he had a girlfriend but he lamented the lack of places to take a date.

“If you are rich, you can rent a room in a high-class hotel to have private moments, otherwise you use telephones or SMS (instant messaging) as the only means of private communication,” he said.

Even in Kabul – a bubble of modernity in mostly rural and illiterate Afghanistan – cinemas, concert halls and public parks are off limits to women and said to be frequented only by “bad men.”

“The only place a boy and a girl feel comfortable to talk to each other, without fingers being pointed at them, is the university campus where they together as classmates,” Jamila said.

Despite the restrictions on couples, love is all around in Afghanistan: there are new television soaps with romantic intrigue, Bollywood movies and sometimes-racy music videos, as well as ancient Afghan love poems and ballads.

The conservatives, including in government, grumble about “unIslamic values” and disrespect of culture.

But youngsters here, as anywhere, find ways to “break the chains,” Farid said.

“Some daring couples take the risk of trying of make time for themselves, going to each others’ houses while the rest of the family is away, driving around in their cars or meeting up at shopping centres,” he said.

Maulana mercenary2k nay zina bhi halal ker diya…lolz1

[mercenary2k]

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@hareem01

Maulana mercenary2k nay zina bhi halal ker diya...lolz1

whatever makes you happy

[hareem01]

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@mercenary2k

Of course not. Valentine’s Day is not about charity, its about expressing your love for your significant other

Just like Thanksgiving is about European immigrants cultivating their first successful harvest in the new world or Halloween is ending the harvest season.

Thanksgiving has no pagan origin but Valentines or holloween has…you can celebrate them but I won’t…end of the story. Don’t stop us from showing the origin of these events and the islamic perspective on it.

@mercenary2k

So now you are calling me a Kuffar.

I don’t follow the West blindly, I just don’t live a hateful life condemning others who don’t do what I do but instead join in celebrating their events and showing mutual respect as they would do to us

I don’t stop non muslims from celebrating their paganistic events but I don’t take part in them because I’m a muslim.

[cutecookie]

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This is extremely true.... Christmas, Saint. Patricks Day, and especially Halloween are not to be celebrated as they are linked to Christian faith

[hareem01]

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@mercenary2k

Nah its ok

I have pretty much destroyed Appa Hareem's arguments

You can disagree with me but you cannot change the facts...no one can.