Utter Shame - The Sindh Govt Story

If rigging the elections, and electing his own hand picked Government wasn’t good enough, what President Musharraf and his loyalists have done in Sindh is an utter shame. They have brought given a new definition to lotaism and their unconstituitional ways. The legal system in Pakistan has now become an utter joke, and works according to what the military dictator thinks. They have made a big mistake by delaying sessions of the Sindh Government, offering bribes to allow Horse trading, harassing PPP candidates. It has become apparent that these elections were a complete sham, and I still cannot believe there are some die hard Musharraf loyalists who support his actions. Jamali, who gave assurance to the PPP leaders after his master ordered the delaying of the Sindh assembly convening, is another disgrace, who failed to live upto his words. How can such a man be a prime minister? Such a move will only drag Sindhis away from Pakistan… Two words are good enough to explain what they are doing - “Utter Shame”*

GNA candidate elected Speaker: PPP, MMA boycott voting for deputy

KARACHI, Dec 14: The King’s party on Saturday secured the posts of speaker and deputy speaker in the Sindh Assembly, **but not without boycott of deputy speaker’s election by the People’s Party Parliamentarians and Muttahida Majlis-i-Amal and virtual siege of the assembly building by the law enforcement agencies for several hours after the session. **

Syed Muzaffar Hussain Shah was elected speaker in a one-to-one contest with Jam Saifullah Dharejo, the joint candidate of the PPP and MMA. He got 90 votes as against 73 polled by Dharejo.

Rahila Tiwana polled 86, in a ballot which was marred by a boycott by the MMA and the PPP. The other two contenders, S.A. Iqbal Qadri and Mohammad Usman Khan Haji, had earlier withdrawn their papers. The session was prorogued after the counting process was completed.

**But after the session was prorogued members were not allowed to leave the assembly premises by the law enforcement agencies who were in search of a “suspect”, probably the Mohajir Qaumi Movement’s Younus Khan. **

In an unprecedented move, even the speaker and deputy speaker and the ruling party’s nominee for the top slot were not allowed out, for several hours, without a thorough search being made of their vehicles.

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The police had targeted the PPP legislators and did not allow their bus to leave, without a search. They misbehaved with the parliamentary leader of the PPP and his other colleagues, including the women MPAs. **

Earlier, when the newly-elected speaker attempted to proceed with the election of deputy speaker, the MMA’s Nasrullah Shaji stood up and claimed that it could not be held because Abdur Rahman Rajput, who was the joint candidate of MMA and the PPP, had already been elected unopposed. He demanded of the newly-elected speaker to invite Rajput and administer to him the oath.

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The MMA legislator referred to the stand of the two parties that extension in time for filing of nomination papers, after the expiry of the notified cutaway time, was illegal and the governor had no right to do so. **

Speaker Muzaffar Hussain Shah reminded the member that after the ruling given by the presiding officer, Syed Jalal Mahmood Shah, earlier in the day, his contentions could not be entertained at that stage.

In his ruling, Syed Jalal Mehmood Shah, who was presiding over the adjourned inaugural session, referred to the point of order raised by Hameedullah advocate, Nisar Ahmad Khuhro and others, regarding extension of time, and read from a written paper: “Schedule and the time for conduct of elections of speaker and deputy speaker was fixed through the order of governor of Sindh. Hence, he is the competent authority to change or amend his order. According to his superseding order time for the submission of nomination forms for the election of speaker and deputy speaker was extended from 12 noon to 3pm so we have accepted total seven nomination papers which were submitted during stipulated period.”

But Nasrullah Shaji was insistent, saying that Jalal Mahmood Shah’s ruling was not accepted by the MMA and the PPP, and the two parties had staged a walkout on the issue. He said that if the chair would not show respect to their contention, they would walk out and protest over what he termed “illegal act” even outside the house.

PPP’s parliamentary leader, Nisar Khuhro, also supported the MMA’s contention and said that after Rajput’s “election”, fresh balloting for the same post was illegal and in violation of rules. He also recalled the relevant rules and the subsequent order issued for the postponement and staged a walkout together with the MMA.

Nisar Ahmad Khuhro recalled that while he (Jalal) was presiding over the inaugural session on Thursday, he gave the election schedule in which the closing time for the submission of nominations was 12 noon on Friday and every member was aware of it. The secretary of the assembly at 12.15pm also made it clear that he had received only one nominations for the deputy speaker and when one of our colleagues went to submit his nomination papers at 1.15 he was declined for want of time. The secretary also told mediamen that he had received only one nomination for the deputy speaker which was also telecast by PTV.

**How was it possible that the secretary was not aware of the time extension, if it was so, and why the nominations were accepted at 1.45pm from others, he queried. Besides, the notification issued in the name of governor had no mention of the time of its issuance nor was it mentioned in the notification that it took effect retrospectively. **

He pointed out that the schedule of the election was announced on the floor of the house hence it had become the property of the house. He referred to the rule 7 clause (4) of Chapter iii of the Rules of Procedure which reads:

“Every nomination paper shall be delivered by the candidate or his proposer or seconder to the secretary by close of office hours on the working day preceding the day on which election of the speaker is to be held, or on the day and time specified by the person presiding.”

He said the above rule specified that the governor had no authority to extend the time and by this act he had usurped the rights of the members of this house.

Earlier, when parliamentary leaders of the parties were extending felicitations to Muzaffar Hussain Shah on his election as speaker, some members of the ruling constellation displayed their intolerance when the solitary MPA of the Mohajir Qaumi Movement, Younus Khan, stood up intent on expressing his views.

No sooner had he got up from his seat than the MPAs of the Muttahida Qaumi Movement, including women, stood up and objected to that, and asked the speaker to proceed with the election of deputy speaker. But as Younus Khan stood his ground for some time, the Muttahida people kept on shouting at him.

The newly-elected speaker also apparently tried to avoid receiving the compliments from Younus Khan while Muttahida Qaumi Movement men kept on objecting, with whom his PML-F is in alliance together with the GNA. His contention was that felicitations would consume more time and he could do the same after deputy speaker’s elections along with the others.

While the speaker was trying to save a few minutes, the rumpus consumed almost an hour. Those who were opposed to Mr Khan were not paying any heed to speaker’s emphasis on maintaining the decorum.

Yunus Khan’s contention was also supported by the MMA and the PPP. But when he was not given permission by the chair to speak, he walked out after accusing the speaker of being partisan.

Nisar Khuhro, on a point of order, said that since Younus Khan was also a leader of his party, he should be allowed to speak. If he had not been denied his right, about an hour or so of the house would not have been wasted.

Later, an interesting and unbelievable development took place as a large contingent of police and intelligence operatives streamed into the assembly corridors in search of Yunus Khan. In their zest, they even stopped and searched the bus for about 15 minutes in which the PPP MPAs were returning back. Despite Nisar Khuhro’s protest, they searched the vehicle but could not find Mr Khan.

Khuhro returned to the house along with others and protested over the police behaviour. He informed the speaker that in flagrant violation of the sanctity of the assembly and its rules, the police was searching the MPAs and every nook and corner of the assembly.

He demanded punitive action against those responsible for breaching the privilege of MPAs and said he would move a privilege motion in this regard.

Speaker Muzaffar Hussain Shah took notice of the situation and promised to do the needful according to rules and the law.

Earlier, while paying compliments to Mr Shah, Jam Saifullah Dharejo said that in his victory Mir Zafarullah Jamali, Chaudhri Shujaat Hussain, Shaikh Rashid and others also had a role.

Those who complemented Mr Shah included Syed Sardar Ahmad, Ali Mohammad Mahar, Pappo Shah, Nasreen Jaleel, Nisar Khuhro and others. They emphasised on harmony, tolerance and respect for the rule of law.

Source Daily Dawn : http://www.dawn.com/2002/12/15/top1.htm

Muzaffar Shah ki ho Jai :k:

Rigging elections? Sure, remember PPPP got more votes than King’s Party. Remember, the time of Accidently Meeting of Fahim with Musharraf, (if you know what I mean) :hehe: Remember, Benzair first accussing Musharraf and then Fahim apologizing to Musharraf on behalf of Benazir. Accidently Meeting. Irony Irony…:hehe:

PT, you surprise me… If you think that what happened in Sindh is fair and partial, then my friend, you truely are a blind man. I think even if Musharraf shot down all the PPP MPAs to form his own government, you would be the first one here to come and congratulate him.

You fail to see the consequences of such a move. If Musharraf makes such moves, its bound to disintegrate Pakistan, and then we say Sindhis want to part off from us.

PPP got more votes than the Kings Party, any idiot can realize that, since the PPP was the only party in Pakistan which enjoyed the majority support, but thanks to your uncle mush and uncle shujaat, plans were fomulated to make suer the PML Q wins. But then again, you probably think that Musharrafs 95+ % victory in the referundum was also free and fair. Open your eyes dude, being a musharraf stooge when hes doing such things is utter stupidity.

Yes, sab lotoon ki jai jai ho…

So you think the elections were not rigged? What does good ol EU has to say about them? Did you read what Time magazine had to say about them in their latest issue?

And rest of your facts, Benazir and Fahim meeting Musharraf etc, have nothing to do with the topic, so better come up with something genuine to defend the dictators unconstituitional moves.

Spock

My my, two dangerous posts :eek:

Pardon me? Meeting of Fahim with Musharraf to apologized on behalf of Benazir doesn’t mean at all? Why? Why doesn’t it mean to you? Doesn’t it sound like hypocritical to you?

**So you think the elections were not rigged? What does good ol EU has to say about them? Did you read what Time magazine had to say about them in their latest issue? **

EU was to observe elections, not to judge. It was Pakistan’s integral matter. Goddamn Musharraf, he has give Free Print Media and people have used it in a wrong way.

I thought PPP was a strong party. How come they break up into PPPP? Because of Army? Dang, they sold out to Army? What if the same PPPP Lota comes back to BB and form Govt.? Would BB and PPP accept it? I bet my ass on that, they will.

PPP got more votes than the Kings Party, any idiot can realize that, since the PPP was the only party in Pakistan which enjoyed the majority support, but thanks to your uncle mush and uncle shujaat, plans were fomulated to make suer the PML Q wins

PPP didn’t come farward to form the Govt. Remember?

You fail to see the consequences of such a move. If Musharraf makes such moves, its bound to disintegrate Pakistan, and then we say Sindhis want to part off from us

Muzaffar Shah is a good man. He used to be a Governor when BB was in Govt.

But then again, you probably think that Musharrafs 95+ % victory in the referundum was also free and fair. Open your eyes dude, being a musharraf stooge when hes doing such things is utter stupidity.

Again, how many times do I have tell you Spock, it was 98%, not 95%? People of Pakistan want to be entertain. This is the feeling of avg Pakistani. They just wanna be entertain. Sadly, because of free print media, which people have mis-used it, never showed real progress of the Govt. Talk about hypocracy, how many Shia/Sunni got killed in two decades; got no attention, and when Daneil Peral got killed, extremists started targeting Foreigners and Miniorities, they were political parties using that issue to malign Musharraf. Probably, in your defence, if a Dictator does good for country, that doesn’t mean at all.

You called me to open my eyes. Why don’t you do yourself a favor? What did Benzair did in his Govt.? And please for heaven sake, don’t compare her with her father ZAB is like comparing horse with a donkey.

Now, go ahead and tell me what BB had done when she was in power.

PT, this is not about one side or the other, Spock is saying, what is happening is wrong! Plain and simple, nobody says BB is an angel, Spock is saying..and I say too, Pakistan is being destroyed by these actions. Rewarding lota's creates corruption. If you hate corruption and you want Pakistan to grow and prosper. This is not the way!!

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PT, this is not about one side or the other, Spock is saying, what is happening is wrong! Plain and simple, nobody says BB is an angel, Spock is saying..and I say too, Pakistan is being destroyed by these actions. Rewarding lota's creates corruption. If you hate corruption and you want Pakistan to grow and prosper. This is not the way!!
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Hold your breathe, Zakk.

According to you, Pakistan has been destroyed by the actions taken by dictators, not by the politicians. I don't consider Mush a Gurdian Angel but the excuses these politicians come up, disgusts me. How the hell am I suppose to consider these people will make political stability since they keep running to COAS office and GHQ?

Yes, I hate corruption and want it to be rooted out from Pakistan but that is not the way its gonna work, by cleaning the mess at once. It takes a while.

Ruling establihsmnet just cannot ALLOW Sindh to choose it's own government. Why are they so afraid of Sindh? Sindh was the first to vote for Pakistan, and now Sindh gets treated like a little child that does not know what is best for itself.

No sir, Army knows best for Sindh. People of Sindh are dumb idiots who do not know right from wrong. God forbid, provinces get any pwoer to run things in Pakistan. Islamabad must control everything.

And then they ask why people are so full of hatred towards army.

PT, these lota politicians we are seeing now, are the work of army dictators like Mush. He is promoting them. People like Jamali. They are feudals, yet Mush supports them. Why?

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*Such a move will only drag Sindhis away from Pakistan
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Spock, you sir, have spoken the truth. The real shame is that so many people just don't understand how damaging this is for PAKISTAN.

People just cannot understand how the people of Sindh are feeling right now. Betrayed, deprived, deceived, powerless, defensless, and mislead.

To others this may seem like an overreaction, but this story of betrayal of Sindh is more than 50 years old. People are now completely left hopeless that will ever be able to decide their fate.

And when people collectively, lose hope in one system, it can only lead to one thing.

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Ruling establihsmnet just cannot ALLOW Sindh to choose it's own government. Why are they so afraid of Sindh?
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Yes, they are not allowed to form a Govt but when the question comes of running to GHQ and COAS office, they duck it.

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PT, these lota politicians we are seeing now, are the work of army dictators like Mush. He is promoting them. People like Jamali. They are feudals, yet Mush supports them. Why?
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How Jamali is a feudal? He's the only person in the Govt. who can speaks local languages, i.e. Sindhi, Punjabi, Pushto, Baluchi along with Urdu and English. So, if you say, Musharraf has pick him to be a PM, hell yeah, I'll back it. Lotas are the work of Musharraf. Really? How the hell he break them up? It would unrealistic from your side if the same Lotas go back to Benazir and form Govt. with her. This is called politicis. Man, now we are talking!

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Yes, they are not allowed to form a Govt but when the question comes of running to GHQ and COAS office, they duck it.

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Who goes running where? Your GHQ is running towards any party, corrupt or not, that they can bribe to support them. This is your democracy? No, thank you, we don't want your democracy. We would rather elect our own leaders, no matter how good or bad they are, then have Uncle GHQ lead us.

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How Jamali is a feudal? He's the only person in the Govt. who can speaks local languages, i.e. Sindhi, Punjabi, Pushto, Baluchi along with Urdu and English. So, if you say, Musharraf has pick him to be a PM, hell yeah, I'll back it. Lotas are the work of Musharraf. Really? How the hell he break them up? It would unrealistic from your side if the same Lotas go back to Benazir and form Govt. with her. This is called politicis. Man, now we are talking!
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Do you even know Jamalis history? He is head of Jamali clan in Balochistan. He comes from a long tradition of lotas.

Why not just let politics play out by itself then? If we elect lotas, then it is our responsbility, not army's. Right now army is putting lotas in place.

Ahaan, what your political leaders have given in 11 years? Were they also puppet of Army that time? LOL. You’re saying Army running to politicians, :hehe: is laughable. It is the politicians, who have always dragged Army into politicis, no matter what happens.

At least, he’s better than other people. He can talk to people and tribes in their language so that no one feel backward. Shame, you don’t understand what I really meant by explaining his influence of local languages.

Politics never played it self. About lotas, yeah sure, they wouldn’t be known as Lota since people will support them.

What has your army given in last 55 years?

Other then breakup of country, lost wars, Taliban, massacre of mohajirs, sindhis, etc.

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What has your army given in last 55 years?
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Did Army rule 55 years throughout? No. Did Army rule from 88-99? No. Why was Pakistan near default before coup? Answer that.

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Other then breakup of country,
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Hello, Idhar Hum Udhar Tum wasn't a slogan of Army

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lost wars,
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Haha, You called that lost. Do Indians dare to cross LoC?

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Taliban,
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BB's Interior Minister's idea

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massacre of mohajirs, sindhis, etc.
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LOL! You mean MQM and MQM(H) aren't fighting among themselves. As for Sindhis, MQM and Jayee Sindh are partners.

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Did Army rule 55 years throughout? No. Did Army rule from 88-99? No. Why was Pakistan near default before coup? Answer that.
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-Army ruled directly for more than 25 years and behind the scene rest of the time.

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Haha, You called that lost. Do Indians dare to cross LoC?
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-East Pakistan is no more thanks to army. How quickly you forget. Your army even forgot the most loyal fo Pakistanis, the Biharis. THIS IS WHAT WE GOT FOR OUR LOYALTY!!!

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BB's Interior Minister's idea
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-Carried out by the manpower of ISI and generals. Wasn't Babar also a genral? Wasn't he the one known as butcher of Karachi? Favorite son of army.

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LOL! You mean MQM and MQM(H) aren't fighting among themselves. As for Sindhis, MQM and Jayee Sindh are partners.
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-Who created Haqiqi, but ISI? Have you forgotten history of Karachi so quickly now that your super patriotic paki? Have you forgotten operation clean up? Rangers brutaility? police torture? All sanctioned by Isloo.

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-Army ruled directly for more than 25 years and behind the scene rest of the time.
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Behind the scene, now we are talking.

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-East Pakistan is no more thanks to army.
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Yes, but politicians were involved as well. But please don't forget that

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How quickly you forget. Your army even forgot the most loyal fo Pakistanis, the Biharis. THIS IS WHAT WE GOT FOR OUR LOYALTY!!!
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Yo,

Don't tell me what I've forgot. There are Bengalis living in Pakistan as well. The Govt. of Pakistan want them to be settle in Bangladesh and want 30,000 Bihars to move to Pakistan. Why doesn't Bangladesh Govt. accept around 1 million Bengalis living in Pakistan? This question was raised not even by Musharraf but by Benazir as well.

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-Carried out by the manpower of ISI and generals. Wasn't Babar also a genral? Wasn't he the one known as butcher of Karachi? Favorite son of army.
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Uff, Butcher of Karachi, Babar. Hold your breathe, Man. Who gave Babar power? Democracy of BB Govt. So, why don't you look that side of mirror as well.

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-Who created Haqiqi, but ISI?
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LMAO, now I understand how these politicians melt down.

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Have you forgotten history of Karachi so quickly now that your super patriotic paki?
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I prefer to call myself Pakistani than a person living in Karachi.

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Have you forgotten operation clean up? Rangers brutaility? police torture? All sanctioned by Isloo.
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Shahbash, why did that happen? Block of 90 during Nawaz Govt carried out by Army, I admit, but who gave orders to Army to do that. Nawaz Sharif. Democracy honors.

Lottas

I am ready to bet Pakistan tiger that none of the lottas would be taken back in the Party. There were lottas in PPP before also and PPP had never taken back any one of them. One Case fromer president of Pakistan. Who now have his own party.

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Behind the scene, now we are talking.

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Yes, you must be really proud.

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Yes, but politicians were involved as well. But please don't forget that

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Who were these politicans that were involved? Most were army lotas anyway. And what avout Gen Yahya and his gang of drunkards?

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Yo,

Don't tell me what I've forgot. There are Bengalis living in Pakistan as well. The Govt. of Pakistan want them to be settle in Bangladesh and want 30,000 Bihars to move to Pakistan. Why doesn't Bangladesh Govt. accept around 1 million Bengalis living in Pakistan? This question was raised not even by Musharraf but by Benazir as well.

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First of all, don't "Yo" me.

And nobody is going to bring those Biharis back. Proud Pakistanis like you never cared about them to beging with. Remember, Pakistan was not made for Muslims of India, but for Punjabis, Pathans, Sindhis, and Balochis.

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Uff, Butcher of Karachi, Babar. Hold your breathe, Man. Who gave Babar power? Democracy of BB Govt. So, why don't you look that side of mirror as well.
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The same people who gave Nawaz Sharif power, gave Babar power. Babar, even today is a HERO in army circles. After all, he put those dirty mohajirs in their place. Just like Tikka Khan before did to the Bengalis.

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LMAO, now I understand how these politicians melt down.
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Are you denying ISI created Haqiqi to split MQM power?

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I prefer to call myself Pakistani than a person living in Karachi.
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Why, you never lived in Karachi?

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Shahbash, why did that happen? Block of 90 during Nawaz Govt carried out by Army, I admit, but who gave orders to Army to do that. Nawaz Sharif. Democracy honors.
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NAwaz Sharif was created by the army under Zia. Have you forgotten ISI backing of IJI?

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Yes, you must be really proud.
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Why would I have to?

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Who were these politicans that were involved? Most were army lotas anyway. And what avout Gen Yahya and his gang of drunkards?
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Which politicians are you talking about? ZAB was a lota of Army? YAWN. It was ZAB, being a smart guy didn't accept his defeat and asked stupid Yahya Khan to decide the future of Pakistan.

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First of all, don't "Yo" me.
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It ain't a absurd word. Take it easy dude.

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And nobody is going to bring those Biharis back.
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Not true. Pakistan is ready for it but Bangladesh doesn't accept Bengalis. Why don't they accept it?

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Proud Pakistanis like you never cared about them to beging with.
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Don't you ever dare to point finger at me again. Got that?

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Remember, Pakistan was not made for Muslims of India, but for Punjabis, Pathans, Sindhis, and Balochis.
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Yes, it was made for the Muslims of India. Some decided to live in India. Some moved to Pakistan. I've never supported provinicalism. I've always backed Nationalism.

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The same people who gave Nawaz Sharif power, gave Babar power.
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How NS came into power? Democracy, not by Army.

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Babar, even today is a HERO in army circles. After all, he put those dirty mohajirs in their place.
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Dirty Mohajirs? Who are these dirty Mohajirs?

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Are you denying ISI created Haqiqi to split MQM power?
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It was Ahfaq's choice.

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Why, you never lived in Karachi?
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Was born there, Man

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NAwaz Sharif was created by the army under Zia. Have you forgotten ISI backing of IJI?
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Iqwami Jahmori Itehda. Yeah, I remember. Even though Zia made Nawaz CM of Punjab but he did come to power through Democractic means, and those days were darkest just like the days of BB and Zia in power. I have asked several times to you, what did BB and NS acheive during their period of rule by Democractic means? Answer it please because I've seen politicians selling out to foreign media to keep their political status.

Re: Lottas

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I am ready to bet Pakistan tiger that none of the lottas would be taken back in the Party. There were lottas in PPP before also and PPP had never taken back any one of them. One Case fromer president of Pakistan. Who now have his own party.
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Your analogy is WRONG. Those weren't the lotas before when they are in BB's PPP. They became Lota, oh well, as Media and BB says, because they abondoned Benazir.

Former President Leghair have made Pakistan Millat Party after resigning from President's Post in 1996. Now, his party has Alliance with PAT, PML(F) etc known as Grand National Alliance.