Using toothpaste when fasting?

[TLK]

Re: Using toothpaste when fasting?

i even received a text message today according to which the loadshedding was happening because we were not doing too much astghfar.

we should do more phitkaar, instead

[lethal_kamikaze]

Re: Using toothpaste when fasting?

@jaanaan

In the Prophet’s time it was not available, so apparently people struggle with understanding its usage while fasting.
but I think if we use a little common sense then the matter should get clear. the main reason why people use tooth paste is self evident: it is Paste used for (cleaning ) the teeth.
No one eats it. no one drinks it. I doubt anyone’s niyat when putting the toothpaste in his mouth is other than cleaning their teeth with it. So there should be no problem with its usage. it is just like the modern form of miswak.
and if people say that toothpaste has a taste. well guess what? miswak also has a taste.
can’t we do a bit of Qiyas here? why cant we muslims use some common sense?
For some reasons mullahs have come up with hadiths in which the bad odor coming out of the mouth of a rozadar is glorified, supposedly the angels like the bad odor. In my view, those angels really have a bad taste.

Peace Jaanaan,

My comman sense says that if that time toothpaste wasn’t available and Prophet and Companions r.a. were using siwak than there is no harm if we use it nowadays too. And its is more rewarding b’coz its a Sunnah hence siwak and toothpaste meants for same purpose (as claimed). So without getting into any argue, or brining angels in discussion I prefer to use siwak rather than toothpaste.

@jaanaan

whether bad breath due to unclean teeth or stomach, it is still bad breath. and it smells bad and is repulsive, no matter how many angels like it.

and how do you know that whether angels like or dislike? any references?

@jaanaan

I have heard this story before. this is one of the most bizzarre one ever. i even received a text message today according to which the loadshedding was happening because we were not doing too much astghfar.

What loadshedding has to do with this discussion? Is that msg from authentic source?

[TLK]

Re: Using toothpaste when fasting?

and how do you know that whether angels like or dislike? any references? ?

The Messenger of Allah (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam) said: “Anyone who eats garlic and onions or leeks should not come near our Masjid. The angels are harmed by what harms the sons of Adam.” [Sahih Muslim]

[bebo]

Re: Using toothpaste when fasting?

Its simple really, a religion that puts much emphasis on cleanliness won’t ask its follower to go out in public with stinky breath.

[lethal_kamikaze]

Re: Using toothpaste when fasting?

@TLK

The Messenger of Allah (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam) said: “Anyone who eats garlic and onions or leeks should not come near our Masjid. The angels are harmed by what harms the sons of Adam.” [Sahih Muslim]

Peace TLK,

This hadith is related to Prophet Muhammad because He disliked because He PBUH converse directly with angel. Another thing is that if such were eaten in raw condition.

I wonder why it is related to the discussion of usage of toothpaste/siwak.

[jaanaan]

Re: Using toothpaste when fasting?

@lethal_kamikaze

Peace Jaanaan,

My comman sense says that if that time toothpaste wasn’t available and Prophet and Companions r.a. were using siwak than there is no harm if we use it nowadays too. And its is more rewarding b’coz its a Sunnah hence siwak and toothpaste meants for same purpose (as claimed). So without getting into any argue, or brining angels in discussion I prefer to use siwak rather than toothpaste.

You should use camels for your ride too because the Prophet never used any cars either.

[lethal_kamikaze]

Re: Using toothpaste when fasting?

@jaanaan

You should use camels for your ride too because the Prophet never used any cars either.

[TLK]

Re: Using toothpaste when fasting?

@lethal_kamikaze

Peace TLK,

This hadith is related to Prophet Muhammad because He disliked because He PBUH converse directly with angel. Another thing is that if such were eaten in raw condition.

I wonder why it is related to the discussion of usage of toothpaste/siwak.

I gave up dude.

[lethal_kamikaze]

Re: Using toothpaste when fasting?

Peace TLK

I apologize for inconvenience caused to you. Hope you didn't minded at all.

[The_Jinx]

Re: Using toothpaste when fasting?

For some reasons mullahs have come up with hadiths in which the bad odor coming out of the mouth of a rozadar is glorified, supposedly the angels like the bad odor. In my view, those angels really have a bad taste.

First of all, the so-called mullahs did not come up with the hadith as you have put it in your obvious hatred against the scholars. It is an actual saying of the Prophet of Allah (SAW) recorded over a thousand years ago.

Secondly, the hadith is about Allah Himself liking the smell of breath coming out of the mouth of the person who is fasting ( and I have explained it's not about the smell of unclean mouth). No where in the hadith, it talks about angels liking it. Don't just make up things and start bashing mullahs for your own satisfaction.

[Kinzz]

Re: Using toothpaste when fasting?

@TLK

I gave up dude.

Nahi Tlk bhai abhi se haar Gaye ?

Ps…

Jazak Allah to both of you for making me laugh today

[lethal_kamikaze]

Re: Using toothpaste when fasting?

^
Buri baat

[kchughtai]

Re: Using toothpaste when fasting?

According to a hadith,

A’mir Bin Rabiah (R.A) said: “I saw the Holy Prophet (SAW) using a miswaak while he was fasting more often than I can count.” (Tirmizi)

so the holy prophet(pbuh) used to clean his teeth while fasting. It is his sunnah. Please note that we lay too much emphasis on the use of miswak yet the sunnah is not just using miswak but the habit of keeping mouth and teeth clean.
Miswak has also some sort of taste depending on which tree you got it from.
As far the hadith pertaining to smell from the mouth of a rozedaar is concerned, you should be able to note that the emphasis is on how much Allah is pleased with a person who has left the permissibles (eating, drinking etc.) just in compliance with His commands. The expression of liking the smell of a rozedaar's mouth is an expression of affection of Allah(swt) for the rozedaar. It is not the bad breadth that counts lest the holy prophet(pbuh) would not have been doing miswak.
So there should not be any objection in cleaning your teeth using a paste/tooth brush or a miswak. of course you should rinse clean your mouth afterwards.