US vetoes UN Arafat resolution...

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*Originally posted by Seminole: *
Your'e right, I'm an American, what do I know about current events? It's not like I'm from a 3rd world country where 1/2 of the population has never seen the inside of a school, no one has access to the internet or 400 cable tv stations to choose from. But until you, Hamas and all the other terrorist apologists realize that Israel is not going to "leave the region", the sooner the Palestinians can have their country and their dignity.
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Seminole, the term third world country was actually outlawed by the United Nations some time in the 60's, and was actually replaced by the term developing country(trying to find a link, will post it soon), I guess your 400 tv cable stations forgot to mention that. As far as the education is concerned, and I'm assuming that you are referring to Pakistan, yes we do have a long way to go( I'm not going to deny it, just because I'm from Pakistan). You also brought up nobody using internet, I would recommend to do some extensive reserch on it. Everything else you posted is a regular blah...

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Just did a quick check on the internet, and it turns out that I am not bound by UN 'law'. I'll scan cable TV to double check. I was not referring to any one country, but to most Muslim majority countries that have much less access to information than Americans. Yet accusations of American ignorance are posted here all the time.

Back to the subject which you conveniently blahed over: Until you, Hamas and all the other terrorist apologists realize that Israel is not going to "leave the region", the sooner the Palestinians can have their country and their dignity.

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This is exactly the point,

"1) the invader takes control of the area,"

Develop Road Map. Sign on to Road Map. Wait for first fatal Suicide Bomb to go off. Wait for second fatal Suicide Bomb to go off. Wait for PA to declare road Map dead.

Surround Arafat. Wait for the next fatal suicide Bomb.

Get rid of Arafat.

Wait for riots.

Take Control of the Area.

Sharons' wet dream.

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*Originally posted by spoon: *
I already have admitted this. In my view, the main problem in the Israeli/Palestinian saga is people have grown so used to it that they approach it as a whole. They want to solve the problem, but it is not one problem.. that is why everyone to date has failed. Is is a collection of problems that must be taken one at a time, each on its own. Right now we condemn Israel for their decision to remove/kill Arafat. That is a bad policy decision and should be corrected. In a separate debate we can condemn Arafat for his using the Palestinians as pawns for his own ends, as he did after the announcement of the decision. We should have had better focus when condemning him for not supporting Abbas. Etc...
Each issue should be handled on its own at the time of its occurance without dragging in history or other extraneous points.
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Spoon, you are right on the mark. This thread was opened so that we could discuss the U.S. vetoing the U.N. resolution, and not to discuss the Middle East conflict. We can discuss the conflict in-depth in a different thread.

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I have not read the whole of the resolution but… have read that reason was vetoed…

The US Ambassador to the UN, John Negroponte, said the resolution was flawed because it did not include a robust condemnation of acts of terrorism, but Arab nations claim the US was once again flouting international law in favour of Israel.

Edmond Roy reports.

EDMOND ROY: For UN watchers, there is a certain monotony with which the United States deals with resolutions involving Israel, and John Negroponte, the US Ambassador to the UN, did not disappoint.

JOHN NEGROPONTE: The United States does not support either the elimination of Mr Arafat or his forced exile. While Mr Arafat is part of the problem, we believe that this problem is best solved through diplomatic isolation and we have made this view clear.

Personally I think maybe Palestine and Israel be better served without Arafat and Sharon because Israeli's have so much anger toward Arafat, and Palestinians have so much anger toward Sharon.

When I heard the news of the veto I felt frustrated, thinking, that this veto is only gona reinforce the feelings of many from majority muslim countries that U.S. is lapdog to Israel, though also possible that this was Syria and Sudan's very intention.

I think the U.S. & Mr. Negroponte should have presented their own version of the draft resolution which included "robust condemnaton of acts of terrorism."   as well as language referring to security wall boundries, and the loss of loan guarantees.  Shameful that U.S. was unwilling to compromise on the resolution put forth.  

I think the U.S. needs to also give support to the Palestinian people, which we have to some extent reguarding security wall boundries and loan guarantees, but lets make it official.

I don't know that Arafat can be held entirely responsible for terror activities in Israel.  I think its very possible that Hamas would operate even without Arafat. 

I also think a little bit U.S. fault that Israel has issued thier decee of removing Arafat, sinse U.S. took upon themselves to remove Saddam. 

Well perhaps by 2004 with have a better crop of politicians, because these people running things in Washington these days seem to be making flubbers out the wazoo.
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*Originally posted by Seminole: *
It is a fact that Arafat has spent his whole time in power preventing anyone else from gaining any power. It is an egotistical and dicatatorial rule, even with the rigged elections of the past. He wants to be the first president of an independent Palestinian state, but the ignoramous isn't doing what it takes to gain that statehood.
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Seminole,

Perhaps Arafat believes that once there is peace and stability for the Palestinians they will be getting rid of him on there own....

Same good be said for Sharon...

Seems majority of their job rolls as leaders is spent on bickering about the peace. Seems like both men are often guilty of proclaiming an end to the peace process at the drop of a hat.

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*Originally posted by AvgAmericanGirl: *
Perhaps Arafat believes that once there is peace and stability for the Palestinians they will be getting rid of him on there own....
Same good be said for Sharon...
Seems majority of their job rolls as leaders is spent on bickering about the peace. Seems like both men are often guilty of proclaiming an end to the peace process at the drop of a hat.
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AvgAmericanGirl, you have raised a very important point here. Just as you said, I also firmly believe that both leaders are an obstacle to peace. However, assuming that both leaders are removed from power for the sake of a long lasting peace in the region, in my opinion, the the Isrealis will be able to come up with another leadership, however, I think that on the Palestinian side there might be a leadership vaccum.

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Lest we all forget that the collapse of the road map can be a very bad thing, the least of which is Arafat, read on:

Will you attack Gaza now, Ariel?

Foreign Report can reveal that the Israeli government is planning an onslaught on the Gaza Strip. This is because, our informant said, its former policy of containing Palestinian violence, including the murder of the Hamas leadership, has failed.

The idea is to launch an intervention in October, once a series of Jewish holidays have finished.

Since the beginning of the intifada, one of the cornerstones of Israeli military policy has been to kill the leaders of Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Fatah-Tanzim. The Israelis believe that these groups are behind Palestinian suicide attacks. In almost three years, more than 100 leading Palestinian militants have been killed by the Israelis.

The Israelis have a reply to the critics of their policy. They claim that the killings have prevented an even greater bloodbath. The Palestinians, on the other hand, claim that the ‘assassinations’ have only embittered young Palestinians and led to more suicide bombs.

“Hamas is getting professional and financial support from Hizbullah,” said our Israeli source. “Hamas is hectically working on increasing the range of its self-made rockets to reach the southern cities of Israel. Their idea is to build the equivalent of south Lebanon in Gaza, and that Israel will never accept.”

Israel is planning a huge call-up of at least 50,000 soldiers to cope with the conquering of the Gaza strip. Special Israeli troops will move from house to house to find and kill militants.

The Israelis are well aware of the difficulties of such an operation. Gaza is the most densely populated place on earth. The Israelis assume they will face serious resistance and many casualties. But it seems that the prime minister, Ariel Sharon, is determined to crush Hamas in Gaza.
http://www.janes.com/security/international_security/news/fr/fr030917_1_n.shtml

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*Originally posted by underthedome: *
He started Al Fatah in the 50's and was know as a ruthless terrorist. He was invited to the UN and brought an olive branch in one hand and a gun in the other. At one time I believe he did care for the Palestinians but over time he learned that his words were true "War is easier than peace" and sold out to better himself rather than the people he once fought for. His wife lives a multi-million dollar lifestyle in France.
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under the dome you kept calling him a terrorist?? how defending or fighting of independace of homeland is terrorism in your views??

sheron was fighing at the same time, why he is not a terrorist? and still killing civillians.

why US and allies have right to kill anyone, occupy any country they please, that is liberation?

and when some try to fight against called terrorists?

arafat may be a corrupt man, who gives US right to veto a move to stop to kill a person without trial??

why a jew and US person killed is most important than a muslim killed???

both are humans and their right to exist should be respected.

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Unfortunately it is a no win situation for Muslims. When will people realise this? America will only condone a resolution from a crappy puppet like UN when it benefits Israel. Arafat was voted in, so has every right to stay. However, according to American logic whether he was voted in or not is irrelevant.

US is only showing it's blatant hypocrisy and double standards. On one hand it cries democracy and the other hand it condones assassinations. In line with this logic Bush and Sharon deserve to be wiped out.

The day when America stops being Israels slapper, she might just get some world respect!

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UN demands Israel end threat to Arafat.

The United Nations General Assembly has voted overwhelmingly in favour of resolution calling on Israel to lift its threat to exile Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat. The vote - 133 in favour, four against and 15 abstentions - follows Tuesday’s Security Council debate after which the United States vetoed a similar draft.

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very good but isa it really going to stop israel from killing / removing arafat from palestine? how many resolutions have been passed before against israel but to this day none of them have been implemented or carried out against israel. for me this is another cocky way to shut up the massess and let israel do its dirty work behind these resolutions. :slight_smile:

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Well BabyGJ, you are absolutely right because, a General Assembly resolution has no binding powers - it simply carries the weight of global opinion.

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*Originally posted by ZulfiOKC: *

AvgAmericanGirl, you have raised a very important point here. Just as you said, I also firmly believe that both leaders are an obstacle to peace. However, assuming that both leaders are removed from power for the sake of a long lasting peace in the region, in my opinion, the the Isrealis will be able to come up with another leadership, however, I think that on the Palestinian side there might be a leadership vaccum.
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You might be right ZulfiOKC.

BTW, Hope I spelled your name right.

Q, why do you believe the Palestinians have no option other than Arafat?

Mr. Arafat is becoming elderly. He is in his seventies isn't he? Is there no contingency plans behalf of the Palestinians?

What if Arafat suddenly became incapacitated because of a brain anuerism or heart attack? Would that end the hopes of the Palestinian people? Would that cause the Palestinian people to suddenly merge as a suburb of Israel, Lebonon, or Syria?

Think if Arafat were gone it would be a liability for the Palistinians? A liability greater than Hamas suicide bombers?