US shoves India off?

Looks like the US has finally had Ebert and Roeper review the Indian drama :hehe:

US seems to be washing its hands off the dangerous situation emerging between India and Pakistan.** Suddenly, the United States is appearing strangely non-committal unlike the days immediately after the Mumbai attacks.
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The changing US stance may have more to do with its own immediate interest but sensing an opportunity** Pakistan has cleverly adopted a defiant attitude which in turn is pushing India to think of Plan B.
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The US is asking Pakistan “every single day to do whatever it can” to track down those responsible for the Mumbai terror strikes and prevent future terrorist attacks, but would leave it to Islamabad how to bring them to justice.

“Well, the specific arrangements for bringing to justice those responsible for these attacks is something that Pakistan is going to have to deal with, and then they should be talking to the Indian government about this,” State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said Monday (Dec 22).

“They have populations that are affected by it. And certainly, we would have concerns about that as American citizens were murdered in these attacks,” he said when asked if the US would pressurise Islamabad to hand over suspected terrorists as demanded by India.

“So we are still at the stage where we are urging Pakistan every single day to do whatever it can to prevent future attacks and to track down and get off the street those responsible for these attacks,” McCormack said, declining to offer any “policy prescriptions”.

"We will get to a stage at some point where, you know, we look very closely at exactly what is the final disposition of these individuals who have been arrested over time.

“So I can’t offer a specific policy prescription for you at this point, but it is important that Pakistan and India continue to talk and to work through any differences through dialogue and diplomacy that they might have, and that every single day Pakistan focus on the task at hand, and that is to prevent any further attacks,” he said.

Asked about “confusing reports” about the detention of militant leader Masood Azhar by Pakistan, the spokesman said: “I’ll leave it to the Pakistani authorities to describe whom they have detained and who they are looking to detain.”

Arrested in India on a false passport, Masood Azhar was among the militants exchanged for passengers of an Indian Airlines flight that was hijacked to Kandahar in December 1999.

Asked about the continued warnings being given to Americans travelling to India, McCormack said the US government “has a responsibility to warn the public if it has specific, credible information that itself would act upon with respect to its own employees.”

“So there are certain responsibilities there that are just triggered by the law. And it’s also a responsibility of a government to try to help protect its own people, its citizens,” he said.

But “ultimately, people are going to have to make their own decisions about travelling and where they go and what they do, but they should at least have the information that they need to make an informed decision”, McCormack said.

On reports of troop movement on the India-Pakistan border, he said: “I’ve seen the reports. I can’t confirm them for you.”

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They will have to sooner or later. I think US has realised that by employing indians in CIA, they have allowed them to control CIA/US instead. So they need to take some immediate measures to reverse the damage that has been caused till now and can be caused in the future to the interest of US.

indians are using US power against US itself and against whom indians consider their enemies (such as pakistan & pakistanis) AND to the favor of india and indian people. The sooner US realises it, the better.

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Nawh more like US realized it wasted its energies on an incompetent people.

BTW the deadline is up, no bang heard. Perhaps wait till morning? It's easier to do "operations" in the daylight. :)

Plan B is Back-off.

:omg:

Wah kya plan hay! They are good at planing.

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the US will get some sort of twisted pleasure and use it for its 'interests' from all of this

the world needs change on united states foreign policy, massive change

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Spock bhai,

Both Indian and Pakistani media are high on drama and low on content. To claim that the US is done with this issue would be just idiotic. It is Christmas break time and top leaders are not talking. Low level spokesman will always only give noncomittal responses.

Next step, look for FBI and Scotland Yard to file specific cases against LeT/JuD people. Then they will come to us with a dossier and we will be under pressure to try those guys in Pakistani courts. It is highly likely that we may even allow FBI or British officials to interrogate them. Plus look for UN Security Council to ask for "monitors" to keep observing the "enforcement" of UN ban on these groups.

This matter is just beginning.

You tried very hard to malign Pakistan in the beginning and I feel sorry for you, but now its just become stale. Even Man-Mohan Singh has backed off finally, and the whole world has dismissed this, or is simply ignoring this. India never presented the proof either :hehe: Pakistan might not have played its cards very well right after the attacks, but in the last few days they have been excellent, and have successfully dismissed this utterly baseless claim. Props to Kiyani as well.

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Spock bhai,

I have always said that there will be no war because that option has not been there since 1990s for India. To say that this matter has gone away is just naive.

The problem with our people is that whenever we hear things we do not like people start saying - "He must be a Qadiyani" or "He is a traitor" or "Stop maligning our land"

180 rich and powerful people were killed on live TV. Some 15-20 countries had their citizens among the victims. This matter will not go away.

We will find out soon enough, won't we?

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All it will take is one more attack in India, traceable (or not) back to Pakistan and we will be back to square one. This time only JuD was banned by the UN. Next time it will be the ISI.

The only long term solution is to deny jihadis a breeding ground in Pakistan. Harder to do, because of the deep connection of right wing Pakistani generals and ISI to jihadi gang.

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US shoves India off ? Not really…

Here is what Richard Boucher had to say -

Pak has a lot to do to combat terror: Boucher

A couple of highlights from the interview -

“Pakistan has taken some promising steps, but there is a lot to be done to tackle the menace,” Boucher told All India Radio.

The top US official said Washington and New Delhi were in the process of putting in place “a new kind of cooperation” to prevent such terror attacks in the future.

Spock, you might want to close the thread yourself since it has lost its relevance.

Boucher has been saying that even when their guy Musharraf was in power. Does that mean it has special credibility now? I dont care about anything but as far as India’s Mumbai drama is concerned, its done for. Apart from a few delusioned MQM supporters, and some Indians in disguise I see no support for the staged event on this board anymore. :hehe:

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I think the likelihood of India conducting limited air strikes on terrorist camps in Pakistan is high. And the world would likely be understanding in private at least.

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^ You wish :) p.s. if they really want to, I hope they strike their own terrorist camp in nine-zero Karachi.

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It's not about anybody's "wish", it's about reality. If army brass has similar thought process as yours, then they are headed to defeat again.

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Is that why Man Mohan Singh was ruling out war yesterday

“Living in denial” as usual I see :wink:

Ah! what they say, gets one to know one…

Do you want him to tell you the date, time, and location of any attack?

They took 10 long months last time, we can sure wait you don't have to worry we know how to take care of rats.

Now an Indian is ranting and raving the same, poor cry baby.

The American Pipe-Dream : outlookindia.com

The American Pipe-Dream
** The US never considered India ‘special’ as we were made to believe ** :smiley:

Islamabad has drawn the ‘red line’. It ably took the ‘pressure’ from the United States on the Mumbai attacks, and is seen as adopting a ‘principled position’: India must provide evidence; Pakistan cannot hand over to India any of its nationals; no foreign agencies will be allowed to interrogate Pakistani nationals on its soil.

Alongside, Islamabad launched its own ‘initiatives’: a joint investigative mechanism and a high-level team to travel to Delhi. Islamabad says Delhi’s green signal is awaited. Indeed, it promptly acted on the United Nations Security Council call, which was what India demanded as per US advice.

With its vast experience in dealing with Washington, Islamabad is concluding that US ‘pressure’ has run its course. Attention will soon turn to the gala ceremony in Washington on January 20 for a historic transfer of power. Unless Pakistan precipitates tension, time is not far off before the international community urges India to engage Pakistan in a spirit of dialogue.

India ponders, ‘What now’? It put its strategic partnership with the US to the litmus test and is dismayed at the result. India conducted over 50 military exercises with the US over recent years but they couldn’t forestall the act of war on Mumbai or help track down the mentors of the terrorists. India was sold a dream—that Washington was determined to make it a first class world power. The dream lies broken. The carpetbaggers who peddled the dream are nowhere to be seen.

It almost seems grotesque that our strategic gurus promised that the Indo-US nuclear deal was a prerequisite for India to become a ‘balancer’ in the 21st century international system. Where was it that we went so hopelessly wrong in our triumphalism? Quintessentially, what we’re witnessing is that the US never really “dehyphenated” its policies towards India and Pakistan like we believed or were led to believe, or both. The US policy is to maintain stable, predictable, balanced relationships with both India and Pakistan so as to optimally pursue its regional policies as a superpower.

There was no question of the US abandoning Pakistan or elevating India in disregard of Pakistani security concerns. Pakistan is pivotal to the realisation of the US’s ‘Great Central Asia’ strategy. Thus, building up the Pakistani power structure, including the military, is a crucial element of its regional strategy. India can never replace Pakistan in the US geostrategy, in which control of Afghanistan is a priority.

Of course, befriending India would have its benefits as well. Its growing market offers business opportunities and it is also a military power in the Indian Ocean region with the capacity to act as a junior partner. Coopting India is useful for the US strategy towards Russia, China and Iran. Certainly, India could mitigate Israel’s regional isolation in West Asia. Hence, India is integral to the US objective to remain embedded in the Asian security scenario.

The US global strategy is to perpetuate its dominance as a world power despite the steady decline in its influence and emergence of new power centres and, to this end, build coalitions from time to time. In the mistaken faith that India’s foreign policy can flourish with the single underpinning of strategic partnership with the US, Indian elite neglected the shared concerns and profound commonality of interests India has with Russia and Iran over the Afghan problem. They cut adrift from regional politics and fancied the idea that so long as India harmonised relations with the US, everything else willy-nilly would fall in place—our adversarial relationships with China and Pakistan or the atrophying of our traditional ties with Russia and Iran. Some were myopic enough to actually argue for Indian military deployment in Afghanistan and to play the ‘Tibet card’ against China.

Simply put, it’s time we understand that the open-ended US military occupation of Afghanistan has destabilised Pakistan and, in turn, is drawing the region into the vortex of terrorism. We need to work with Russia and Iran on a regional initiative for an Afghan settlement. It is not in our national security interest to abandon Afghanistan as the playpen of a closely-knit US-UK-Pakistan-Saudi condominium.

The moot point is whether the breakdown of foreign policy is attributable to a failure of leadership, or is it that the Indian elite today is so compromised with the “Washington consensus” that it refuses to see hard realities. The first case is appalling, and the second, frightening. After all, our Pakistan problem is not something new. We sought to keep the tension under check through a judicious mix of factors of advantage. Which, of course, required a broad-based, independent foreign policy and an awareness that there is no such thing as absolute security.


(The writer is a former IFS officer)