^ Is taken from Mustafa Kamaal's blog entry about Pashtuns?
Spock Bhaijaan, aap ko kiya khawab may bhie MQM nazar attie hay? :)
I think that if MQM is keera than one should get it out of their system or if one is keera than one should migrate from backside of MQM :). Akhir yea kaisee muhabbat hay kay ... aap her waqat gatay rahtay hain:
Nazar ata hay her su chahra tumhara
Kaheen Altaf hay Kaheen Mustafa ka Nazara
MQM jaan say jo ayesee hay lagee
Her soonch may bus tu hee hay yara
Re: US says: FATA no longer under the sovereign control of the Pakistani state
The keera is not in my system, the keera is in the system of people who fall for this racist crap. The fact that you're saying how USA is all better and FATA is dirt of how much their racist agenda has brainwashed you. What you said below is the most shameful thing ever, its like a begger praising the person offering him bheek.
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Pakistan does not need to worry about Americans entering Pakistani area that is out of Pakistani control. America is Pakistani ally and most of Pakistani arms and ammunitions, plus financial aid comes from USA or because of American blessings, so USA is no danger to Pakistan. Actually, one American phone call saved West Pakistan in 1971. Our leaders talk with American leaders and most Pakistani politicians and corrupts love to invest in USA. Most Pakistanis go to USA for education and jobs. On the other hand, FATA over the years has given nothing to Pakistan other than drugs, crimes and refuge to Pakistani criminals.
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The keera is not in my system, the keera is in the system of people who fall for this racist crap. The fact that you're saying how USA is all better and FATA is dirt of how much their racist agenda has brainwashed you. What you said below is the most shameful thing ever, its like a begger praising the person offering him bheek.
I am Muslim and I do not lie neither I live in fool's paradise. What i wrote in the paragraph is 100 percent true and only ignorant of facts could say that what i wrote is lie.
Pakistan does not need to worry about Americans entering Pakistani area that is out of Pakistani control. America is Pakistani ally and most of Pakistani arms and ammunitions, plus financial aid comes from USA or because of American blessings, so USA is no danger to Pakistan. Actually, one American phone call saved West Pakistan in 1971. Our leaders talk with American leaders and most Pakistani politicians and corrupts love to invest in USA. Most Pakistanis go to USA for education and jobs. On the other hand, FATA over the years has given nothing to Pakistan other than drugs, crimes and refuge to Pakistani criminals.
If you want to live in lies and dreams then it is not my fault and if you want to do propaganda that what I wrote is racist than that is pathetic and shameful of you, as I did not wrote anything racists. As for being keera, than in my dictionary it is being keera to criticise something or someone all the time and to bring them in every discussion, for no reasons.
Re: US says: FATA no longer under the sovereign control of the Pakistani state
Keep kissing their rear, jab matlab poora ho jaye ga aur thudda par jaye ga un sey (like the thuddaz in the past), then maybe there is a small iota of a chance you'll realize that they have their own vested interests, and Mustafa Kamaal would mean nothing to them, once there is nothing left over there to begin with.
With some people things are like this: ... If anyone writes ... 'Rose is pink' ... then they would comment for no reason, 'Yea, just like Altaf's backside'. If someone would write that 'Sky is blue' then they would comment, 'Yea, same as Musharraf's face'. If anyone would write that 'Grass is green', then they would comment, 'It is Mustafa Kamal's propaganda' ... and so on. Now, if that is not keera than what?
Re: US says: FATA no longer under the sovereign control of the Pakistani state
Its a pity people discussing hoaxes while ignoring the important issues...hmmmmmmm
Its a pity people discussing hoaxes while ignoring the important issues...hmmmmmmm
Important issue is that: Are American forces dangerous to Pakistan or are retards in FATA dangerous to Pakistan?
Answer is simple, that is, American forces do not have any obvious agenda against Pakistan though that could become agenda if Pakistan try to create causes, that is, Pakistan becomes unstable, lawless, and let Pakistani soil getting used against USA and American interest (something Pakistan do not need to do neither should do). American forces are not fighting Pakistani forces, rather helping Pakistan financially and arming Pakistani forces. American forces did not fired on Pakistani forces intentionally or ever said that they have any intention or official policy to engage Pakistani forces.
Taliban and Al-Quiada have obvious agenda against Pakistan, against Pakistani society, and against sovereignty of Pakistan. They want to force their retarded cult religion over Pakistanis and want to install by force their government in Pakistan. They challenge Pakistani writ on Pakistani soil and used Pakistani lands to launch attacks on other countries and Pakistani allies (like USA). They are openly fighting Pakistan armed forces in Pakistan and killing many Pakistani civilians intentionally. These parasites are danger to Pakistan and Pakistan has to fight them. It was not Americans who cut the throats of Pakistani soldiers but these retarded parasites. If Americans want to help Pakistan fight these evil retarded parasite criminals roaming in Pakistan, then Americans should be welcomed with open hands.
obvious agenda against Pakistan, against Pakistani society, and against sovereignty of Pakistan. They want to force their retarded cult religion over Pakistanis and want to install by force their government in Pakistan. They challenge Pakistani writ on Pakistani soil and used Pakistani lands to launch attacks on other countries and Pakistani allies (like USA). They are openly fighting Pakistan armed forces in Pakistan and killing many Pakistani civilians intentionally. These parasites are danger to Pakistan and Pakistan has to fight them. It was not Americans who cut the throats of Pakistani soldiers but these retarded parasites. If Americans want to help Pakistan fight these evil retarded parasite criminals roaming in Pakistan, then Americans should be welcomed with open hands.
Exact history of your MQM, from day one.
When you support a group known as the biggest criminal terrorists in Pakistani history, you lose the right to critisize.
Otherwise u expose yourself as a hypocrite.
Re: US says: FATA no longer under the sovereign control of the Pakistani state
Thats the new agenda of those in power, Zardari, Altaf etc, become mindless pithoz of the west, even go two steps further than Musharraf did and ask for more 'aid'. That is why you have this new found love for amreeka amongst the MQM supporters, who might add are now madly in love with Zard-Ari.
Re: US says: FATA no longer under the sovereign control of the Pakistani state
I dont know wats the argument here.
FATA and PATA were never under pakistan's sovereign control, infact they were not under any kind of control. Even the british could not control them thats why they didnot put railway lines there.
if any of u have been to pakistan ever, u would know that its called "ILAAKA GHAIR" and you can buy any kind of stolen car from there at such a low price u can not even imagine, u can buy any kind of guns from there.
But still if america attacks that place they r gona make a permanent base there which will offend china.
FATA...Taliban...FATA...Taliban thats all they can talk about.
Why not bring up the real issues of those innocents caught in this mess; women/children.
How many more drones and 500 pds bombs are you gona use to kill innocents and destroy their property.
Just for a selected few terrorists you go out and kill the population. What do you expect the people to do there where they cant even get food or atleast a minimal education and jobs so they can help their families.
Their was not much violence before '01 and then the start of the Afghanistan war. The swell in violence since then is due the incompetence of our late dictator president musharraf and his policies.
And our current president, to quote from Geo "from jail say jila watan, jila watan se Awan-e-Sadar...that is just wonderful. He has not done nothing different and probably will not.
The Bush administration and the military officials should take responsibilty for the violence also, but ofcourse you will not hear anything from them...they are just there to dictate and use people.
Yes "they" sided with Pakistan for the money, not the fact that Pakistan supposed to be an Islamic state. Yes, "they" sent its men to fight in Kashmir because they were paid to do so. Yes "they" fired at US invaders when the Pak. Army did not do jack to protect Pakistani soil yet the tribals were paid.
it's no wonder that Pakistan is tearing itself apart.
No, they were brainwashed by mullahs to send their kids to die all over the world & not just Kashmir+ wars are in their tribal customs & killing & dieing is not a big deal for them. As for their loyalty to Pakistan...they have no loyalty to anyone, & nor has anyone ever controlled these wild tribes since Alexander the Great.
But what does the long term future hold for the area once the terrorists are routed out, especially as you suggested the tribal area has not been under Pakistani state control?
In the long terms Americans are going to build mountain resorts & casinos there with help from native Indians (casino walas & not the dairy queen walas) and rich Afghans high on opium & hashish will pay on slot machines...helping Pakistan's economy. :)
No, they were brainwashed by mullahs to send their kids to die all over the world & not just Kashmir+ wars are in their tribal customs & killing & dieing is not a big deal for them. As for their loyalty to Pakistan...they have no loyalty to anyone, & nor has anyone ever controlled these wild tribes since Alexander the Great.
Pretty ignorant comments. Based on what you have stated, maybe "they" should be given independence since "they" are not loyal to the Pakistani state, and its obvious that you don't consider them to be Pakistani?
I dont know wats the argument here. FATA and PATA were never under pakistan's sovereign control, infact they were not under any kind of control. Even the british could not control them thats why they didnot put railway lines there.
if any of u have been to pakistan ever, u would know that its called "ILAAKA GHAIR" and you can buy any kind of stolen car from there at such a low price u can not even imagine, u can buy any kind of guns from there.
But still if america attacks that place they r gona make a permanent base there which will offend china.
That is not true. There is a railway line from Peshawar to Torkham ...and another from Kohat to Tal, Kuram agency both tribal areas.
FATA was the creation of British as a part of its Great Game and Cold War strategy. Later that status was retained by Pakistan because of reasons related to domestic power configuration and regional geo-strategic situation...Still Pakistan is reluctant to do any kind of reform in FATA despite persistent demand by people of FATA and NWFP. They say Pakistan's military elite think FATA is essential to Pakistan's security strategy as well as economic interests.
There are Mohmands in FATA on Pakistani side but here they are called tribals. Mohamands are on the Afghan side as well but there they are full citizens with all rights. Same is true of others like Shinwaris (on both sides), Mangals, Wazirs, etc.
Based on what you have stated, maybe "they" should be given independence since "they" are not loyal to the Pakistani state, and its obvious that you don't consider them to be Pakistani?
I say let them go free if thats what they want. They certainly are not contributing any way to our national well being or are beneficial to country in anyway. In fact, drugs, guns & smuggling costs country lot more than anything Pakistan gets out of tribal areas...if anything at all.
I'd like to ask a question, leaving out - for just a moment - the US and whether they go in there or not. Do you all think that the situation up north is out of control? Do you agree with those who are trying to control the North (ie., the taleban)? And do you agree with or want the type of lifestyle that they impose upon the people?
The Pak army has been in there, there has been much fighting and much loss of civilian life. Whether the army is doing their best or not, it seems that they are losing the battle. Perhaps they WANT to lose the battle. If they (and the people of Pak) do NOT want to lose the battle, whats wrong with having the US (or any other country) assist in this endeavor?
sovereignty of a state might have to do soemthing with it. Secondly who will control the americans once they are there? Americans have a history of friendly fire and incorrect hits. Simply because i doubt any pakistani except perhaps saleem and m2k think Americans are going to give a damn about any casualties. Every nation has a right to deal with its problems and America need to butt out.
Pakistan needs to develop a spine however with the likes of zardari what are the chances of that?
I'd like to ask a question, leaving out - for just a moment - the US and whether they go in there or not. Do you all think that the situation up north is out of control? Do you agree with those who are trying to control the North (ie., the taleban)? And do you agree with or want the type of lifestyle that they impose upon the people?
The Pak army has been in there, there has been much fighting and much loss of civilian life. Whether the army is doing their best or not, it seems that they are losing the battle. Perhaps they WANT to lose the battle. If they (and the people of Pak) do NOT want to lose the battle, whats wrong with having the US (or any other country) assist in this endeavor?
I don't know how well you know about the tribal areas of Pakistan but halaat in the agencies have never been picture perfect. It might seem from a western angle that we are losing the battle. We want to lose the battle?? That's quite a statement! I think Pakistanis are sick of the the USA assists already. We are perfectly capable to defend our motherland. The USA already has enough on it's plate on 2 separate fronts in which they are being embarrassed. The USA should concentrate on getting their colonial claws out of where they don't belong rather then send some more unmanned assits into our Country.
Shamraz Khan Saab, here is a link for you that may give you a fair idea of the genesis, growth, evolution, politics, and ethnography of terrorism/jehad. If one adds nuclear terrorism to this as well, a very gruesome picture emerges.
As for economics of terrorism, it is an open secret now that ISI’s/Establishments’s double deaking with Jehad/terrorism helped Pakistan amass over 10 billion dollars and temporarily enabled it to avoid bankruptcy alas at the cost of the innoncent people of FATA.
Frankly, Pakistanis should be obliged to people of FATA. These were after all FATA and NWFP that served as a frontline both during Cold War and “war on terrorism” and helped grab billions of dollars in military and economic aid.
BHARAT RAKSHAK MONITOR: Volume 5(6)
I will make one corretion to the document though i.e. whereas Bakhth Zamin is a Pashtun (resident f Dir), Mulana Fazlur Rahman Khalil is a non-Pashtun and an inhibitant of a village near Rawalpindi.
I was reading your post with some interest until I found out that it comes from most objective source, bharat-rakshak, & now I’m thinking about suing u for wasting precious minute of my life.
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