What this mean is that US is preparing to launch all out attacks on terror sanctuaries in FATA with or w/o Pakistani govt’s approval. We can thank Islamists for this and bringing America vs Arabs terrorists war into our country. So, the question is what can/should Pakistan do?
WASHINGTON: It has been claimed here that the United States is entitled under international law to take military action in Pakistan’s Tribal Areas since they no longer lie under the sovereign control of the Pakistani state.
This assertion was made by Stephen Cohen of the Brookings Institution at a ceremony marking the release of a new report on Pakistan by a US working group.
Cohen said that Pakistan does not have sovereignty over its own territories and under international law a third country – in this case the US and NATO members states – is entitled to take action if it has been attacked from those ungoverned territories.
The action taken must not be disproportionate, he added. However, he suggested that the United States should work with Pakistan to help it re-establish its sovereignty over the Tribal Areas and take control, something it does not enjoy at present.
Any Pakistani, Afghan, Arab, Egyptian thats against the imperialism of the U.S. and Israel.
Dude wake up. You think the Americans here would ever say that the Christian right in the dirty stanky south deserved to be bombed because of their extreme beliefs.
It has been claimed here that the** United States is entitled under international law to take military action in Pakistan’s Tribal Areas since they no longer lie under the sovereign control of the Pakistani state.**
Has the Pakistani government accepted that **Pakistan’s Tribal Areas no longer lie under the sovereign control of the Pakistani state? **If NATO takes military action in Pakistan's tribal areas as suggested above, then it probably suggests that the Pakistani government has accepted this to be true.
Re: US says: FATA no longer under the sovereign control of the Pakistani state
^^ They were never under control of any state going back to British era. They were siding with Pakistan b/c we have been basically paying the tribal chiefs to side with us.
They need to prove that Pakistan has withdrawn claims from FATA’s control or show Pakistan’s statement to that effect.
Few days ago Hamid Mir of Geo made similar claims that some part of FATA are no longer under Pakistani control (probably he was preparing Pakistani awam for this propaganda) now a$wipes like Cohen making such statements as if FATA is totally out of control.
Re: US says: FATA no longer under the sovereign control of the Pakistani state
You do know that we have had a few generals, ministers and a bunch of high ranking government officials from FATA right? This by no means is the wild wild west, regardless what the media attempts to portray. FATA has integrated elements.
FATA never wanted to be a part of Pakistan and they were against the partition
I am going to resist the urge to attack you or your intellect here. So lets just say that you are 100% wrong and you have absolutely no proof to back this up.
^^ They were never under control of any state going back to British era. They were siding with Pakistan b/c we have been basically paying the tribal chiefs to side with us.
Yes "they" sided with Pakistan for the money, not the fact that Pakistan supposed to be an Islamic state. Yes, "they" sent its men to fight in Kashmir because they were paid to do so. Yes "they" fired at US invaders when the Pak. Army did not do jack to protect Pakistani soil yet the tribals were paid.
it's no wonder that Pakistan is tearing itself apart.
^^ They were never under control of any state going back to British era. They were siding with Pakistan b/c we have been basically paying the tribal chiefs to side with us.
So basically what you are saying is that the article and the situation describes is true? No wonder the Great Zardari led PPP government has not disagreed with the assertion that **Pakistan’s Tribal Areas no longer lie under the sovereign control of the Pakistani state? **With people like Hamid Mir also repeating the statements as facts, the consensus is being built to allow the US led NATO forces to clean up the area from terrorists.
But what does the long term future hold for the area once the terrorists are routed out, especially as you suggested the tribal area has not been under Pakistani state control?
Re: US says: FATA no longer under the sovereign control of the Pakistani state
I'd like to ask a question, leaving out - for just a moment - the US and whether they go in there or not. Do you all think that the situation up north is out of control? Do you agree with those who are trying to control the North (ie., the taleban)? And do you agree with or want the type of lifestyle that they impose upon the people?
The Pak army has been in there, there has been much fighting and much loss of civilian life. Whether the army is doing their best or not, it seems that they are losing the battle. Perhaps they WANT to lose the battle. If they (and the people of Pak) do NOT want to lose the battle, whats wrong with having the US (or any other country) assist in this endeavor?
I am going to resist the urge to attack you or your intellect here. So lets just say that you are 100% wrong and you have absolutely no proof to back this up.
Yeah, hes no where to be found, and if I suggest where he read that, he'll get really mad.
Pakistan always had loose sovereign control over FATA but that does not mean that Pakistan can allow control of FATA to go into the hands of Taliban, Al-Quaida, and other retards, who want to use the area as base to spread their fitna in Pakistan and launch attacks in Afghanistan.
The defence and responsibility of FATA was always with Pakistan and that means any misadventure from that area is also Pakistani responsibility. Pakistan should stop any misadventure from that area towards other countries. Pakistan is not at war with USA and thus Pakistan cannot allow any Pakistani controlled area like FATA to get used for attacking USA or American forces in Afghanistan. If people from FATA would Attack Americans from that area without consent of Pakistan than Americans have right to attack that area and Pakistan should not defend them.
Anyhow, it is also good for Pakistan to extend full sovereignty of Pakistan over those areas, as that area is also getting used to spread fitna in Pakistan. Thus, if America helps to bring FATA into Pakistan sovereign control, I do not think that is bad idea, as American military strength (especially bombings and if possible ground troops) could help Pakistan to do that. Best thing is that if America does that and also gives aid to Pakistan for doing that, than there could be nothing better for Pakistan.
Pakistan does not need to worry about Americans entering Pakistani area that is out of Pakistani control. America is Pakistani ally and most of Pakistani arms and ammunitions, plus financial aid comes from USA or because of American blessings, so USA is no danger to Pakistan. Actually, one American phone call saved West Pakistan in 1971. Our leaders talk with American leaders and most Pakistani politicians and corrupts love to invest in USA. Most Pakistanis go to USA for education and jobs. On the other hand, FATA over the years has given nothing to Pakistan other than drugs, crimes and refuge to Pakistani criminals.