One particular part to note was when Obama responded to the small business fine and he said "I've got a number for you, it's zero." McCain's face was absolutely priceless. I can't even explain it..McCain's face had lots of strange reactions. Lots of rolling of the eyes.
I still think Obama is scripted and his foreign policy is out of touch with the reality.
they will completely ignore the real issues America is facing because there is no difference between them when it comes to real issues and general public will sit there in front of TV clapping like lobotomize monkeys believing in a fraud that their vote really matters and they have a real choice.
Completely Agree!
McCain is coming strong today.... but his thoughts are still very staggered. Joe the plumber is a good ploy to remain realistic.
Obama is again condescending and being arrogant.
Joe the plumber is a real guy, some takla plumber from Columbus who spent 6 minutes with each presidential candidate.
Is that you Paris Hilton?
I still think Obama is scripted and his foreign policy is out of touch with the reality.
Scripted? lol
His foreign policy has Biden written all over it, and cant get any better than that. Also, there are no foreign policy discussions in the last debate.
Also coming to what was discussed, Obama and Mccain have stark differences on health care. Obama's plan is more people oriented whereas Mccain's plan is more insurance companies and pharma friendly.
Don’t miss my take on that;
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/all-views/299248-politics-racism.html
I still think Obama is scripted and his foreign policy is out of touch with the reality.
Like Spock said, there was no discussion on foreign policy in last night's debate. The quote you misquoted me on was on "Healthcare Plan" regarding Joe the Plumber...
As for foreign plan, it can't never be scripted. It changes with circumstances regarding the world affairs.
Here’s the discussion regarding Joe the Plumber. McCain’s face is priceless…ZERO!
I still think Obama is scripted and his foreign policy is out of touch with the reality.
Even Ron Paul said "I support israel" but lobbies and interests groups did filter him out as he still had an "isolationist foreign policy" according to their interests.
McCain will follow the bush policy of bombing here and there [as he said you just do it but don't go and say it in public that I'll bomb you and publically embarrass your ally] and Obama has said to be macho / anti-bush that he will go into Pakistan!
Lets face it guys that americans have found out [or some "career serviceman" in CIA from the 80s is being listened to finally] that you can't win in Afghanistan "without Pakistan". What I think might happen is that if Obama wins, he will still face the electorate as a "black" who will have to be more loyal than the king to prove he is "American". I don't think the doubts raised by the republicans in americans' minds will go away after the election even after an obama victory! It is like the same trick sharif played after karamat's retirement to bring in musharraf because he was an ethnic outsider to the army! The results might take a different course but still the idea is the same!
Like Spock said, there was no discussion on foreign policy in last night's debate. The quote you misquoted me on was on "Healthcare Plan" regarding Joe the Plumber...
As for foreign plan, it can't never be scripted. It changes with circumstances regarding the world affairs.
I didn't say that he discussed foreign policy in last nights debate. It was the second debate where he mentioned the foreign policy plans.
Obama and Mccain have stark differences on health care. Obama's plan is more people oriented.
But where is he going to pay for the Universal health plan? by raising the taxes?
Obama came out of the debate stronger than ever; calm, cool, collected, and specific about his vision for America and it's people. McCain tried to get Obama to take the bait and had hope Obama would react is a manner that was unbecoming to the American people, he didn't because that's not how Obama operates.
As far as the Wilder/Bradley effect I think the idea of it actually helps Obama.
Lets explain what the Wilder/Bradley is; In separate elections both Douglas Wilder and Tom Bradley who are African Americans had healthy leads in polls prior to the vote but on election day both races were much closer than what the polls had predicted (Bradley lost while Wilder won by a slim margin). Thus it was concluded that whites who told pollsters that they would vote for Bradley and Wilder actually ended up voting for the white candidate. It's thought that when pollsters asked them who they would vote for they lied so they wouldn't appear prejudice but they actually ended up voted for the white candidate.
So why do I think the Wilder/Bradley effect will help Obama? A: the Wilder/Bradley effect has only been seen in smaller local races and not state contests much less a national contest. B. As time goes by race means less and less to people diminishing the Wilder/Bradley effect. and C. Obama's poll numbers are quiet high and having poll numbers like this can cause some supporters to think that the election is a given and they don't need to work as hard but having this idea that the Wilder/Bradley effect might cost Obama votes will actually cause supporters to work just as hard are even harder as election day draws closer. Thus any Wilder/Bradley effect will be trumped by the extra energy and time Obama supporters throw at the campaign because there is that fear of the Wilder/Bradley effect.
Meanwhile the prediction markets have given McCain a 14.4% chance of winning compared to Obama's 86.8%. We've all seen comebacks not thought possible and a game changer could still occur with over 2 weeks to go as of know though Obama easily nets the 270 electoral votes necessary and surpasses 300.
But where is he going to pay for the Universal health plan? by raising the taxes?
I hope you have a deep understanding of how the health care system here works. Employers that don't contribute meaningfully in quality health coverage for their employees would be required to contribute a percentage of the payroll towards the costs of the national plan. Some exceptions, for instance those not meeting the revenue thresholds mostly for small businesses would exist. For once, hospitals and providers will have to provide reports on costs, quality, and data in details. Plans would be required to disclose what perventage of premiums goto the actualy patient care as opposed to admin. costs. Hes also talking about using electronic health info tech systems (though im not comfy with Govt having access to health records electronically). Some fo the above will allow enough money to be saved for improving the healthcare system.
I hope you have a deep understanding of how the health care system here works. Employers that don't contribute meaningfully in quality health coverage for their employees would be required to contribute a percentage of the payroll towards the costs of the national plan. Some exceptions, for instance those not meeting the revenue thresholds mostly for small businesses would exist. For once, hospitals and providers will have to provide reports on costs, quality, and data in details. Plans would be required to disclose what perventage of premiums goto the actualy patient care as opposed to admin. costs. Hes also talking about using electronic health info tech systems (though im not comfy with Govt having access to health records electronically). Some fo the above will allow enough money to be saved for improving the healthcare system.
His plan means, everyone gets covered, insured or not, now those that can not pay for their health insurance, would be covered by state, and the state can only do it by raising the taxes out of those who can pay, that means premiums sort of going up rather then going down. I don't think his "multi-faceted" plan would give extra to cover , as he is implying.He is also trying to cut down the medicare/medicaid reimbursements and tying it to outcomes. All medicare patients are seniors and medicaid has disabled covered,( 2 plus 2 wouldn't add upto 4 in medicine many a times ) .....this would lead to discouragement among medical professionals. Electronic health info(or EMR's) are already enforced in most of the hospitals and usually help for cross correspondence between different health care professionals in different settings. I agree with his plan to cut down on admin costs but then he must deal with the CEO's of insurance companies/hospitals, who are making somewhere around half to a million dollars each.
His plan means, everyone gets covered, insured or not, now those that can not pay for their health insurance, would be covered by state, and the state can only do it by raising the taxes out of those who can pay. His plan would not give extra to cover as he is implying.
He is also trying to cut down the medicare/medicaid reimbursements and tying it to outcomes. All medicare patients are seniors and medicaid has disabled covered, many a times 2 plus 2 wouldn't add upto 4 in medicine and this would lead to discouragement in medical industry.
You just repeated what you first said. Theres plenty of ways to pay for health care, and that deduction from companies not providing plans to their employers is a great way to get this money from. I must remind you, the system does work, and its very easy to spend less on military/war and allocate more for healthcare.
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Trust me its not. Have you seen how hospitals and providers here operate? My mom was just in an ICU a few months ago at the best hospital in the city. Sometimes you literally have to wait for 'physical' files to be transferred. My last reimbursement for a routine eye exam took an entire month to be processed by BlueShield, due to the back and forth b/w then and my opthomologist.
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Besides if he is planning to cut down the admin costs then he must deal with the CEO's of insurance companies/hospitals, who are making somewhere around half to a million dollars each.
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Yep, I hope you were paying attention when he said he wont raise taxes for those making less than 200K, but anyone above that, i.e. CEOs arent going to be spared.
You just repeated what you first said. Theres plenty of ways to pay for health care, and that deduction from companies not providing plans to their employers is a great way to get this money from. I must remind you, the system does work, and its very easy to spend less on military/war and allocate more for healthcare.
It doesn't sound very genuine when he say everybody would be covered and then in the next sentence implies premiums won't increase. Today, 70% of ER visits are free care and uninsured. Where are they going to be covered from?? Just by cutting the medicare/medicaid reimbursements to the hospitals? I doubt it. Then he talks of preventive medicine . When one is not having an access to the primary care providers because of lack of insurance coverage , how can they receive the preventive medicine? His third offer is cutting down on admin charges, which i completely agree with.
It doesn't sound very genuine when he say everybody would be covered and then in the next sentence implies premiums won't increase. Today, 70% of ER visits are free care and uninsured. Where are they going to be covered from?? Just by cutting the medicare/medicaid reimbursements to the hospitals? I doubt it. Then he talks of preventive medicine . When one is not having an access to the primary care providers because of lack of insurance coverage , how can they receive the preventive medicine? His third offer is cutting down on admin charges, which i completely agree with.
Saad, over here, everyone gets treatment, whether they can pay or not, or they have insurance or not. When those that cant pay for insurance and dont qualify for public programs get subsidies, the system works. With that, and companies without healthcare to employees, along with cuts in admin costs, moving to electronic systems, its easy going...
Joe the plumber is a real guy, some takla plumber from Columbus who spent 6 minutes with each presidential candidate.
:rotfl"
yeah Anderson cooper was like "I think joe the plumber was talked the most in history of presidential debates"
and on Fox: Brit Hume was like "I think he should be made ambassador" lol
Overall, McCain came out strong in the beginning and then lost it when he brought up Ayers and Acorn issues. Also, in term of body language, posture, facing the camera, obama smiling more, relaxed...he definately got the edge.
Obama's Health plan was better detailed and direct than McCains. Also, his concluding remarks was key and the analysts agreed that he won there.
Saad, over here, everyone gets treatment, whether they can pay or not, or they have insurance or not. When those that cant pay for insurance and dont qualify for public programs get subsidies, the system works. With that, and companies without healthcare to employees, along with cuts in admin costs, moving to electronic systems, its easy going...
BUt those who can't pay will be treated unlike Pakistan's paisa dikhao phir ilaaj but the costs {+interests ...] is applied to the future income of the patients. There is a reason many people have medical related bankruptcies where they can't make payments and the court has to come in and make payment plan [basically act as a 3rd party guaranteer].
Tax money could come from a reduced US's iraq presence but the problem is that to be "more loyal than the king" and being anti-bush, obama plans to expand the afghan-pakistan theater and that can easily become a $$$ pit like the soviets found out in the eighties!
Obama came out of the debate stronger than ever; calm, cool, collected, and specific about his vision for America and it's people. McCain tried to get Obama to take the bait and had hope Obama would react is a manner that was unbecoming to the American people, he didn't because that's not how Obama operates.
As far as the Wilder/Bradley effect I think the idea of it actually helps Obama.
Lets explain what the Wilder/Bradley is; In separate elections both Douglas Wilder and Tom Bradley who are African Americans had healthy leads in polls prior to the vote but on election day both races were much closer than what the polls had predicted (Bradley lost while Wilder won by a slim margin). Thus it was concluded that whites who told pollsters that they would vote for Bradley and Wilder actually ended up voting for the white candidate. It's thought that when pollsters asked them who they would vote for they lied so they wouldn't appear prejudice but they actually ended up voted for the white candidate.
So why do I think the Wilder/Bradley effect will help Obama? A: the Wilder/Bradley effect has only been seen in smaller local races and not state contests much less a national contest. B. As time goes by race means less and less to people diminishing the Wilder/Bradley effect. and C. Obama's poll numbers are quiet high and having poll numbers like this can cause some supporters to think that the election is a given and they don't need to work as hard but having this idea that the Wilder/Bradley effect might cost Obama votes will actually cause supporters to work just as hard are even harder as election day draws closer. Thus any Wilder/Bradley effect will be trumped by the extra energy and time Obama supporters throw at the campaign because there is that fear of the Wilder/Bradley effect.
Meanwhile the prediction markets have given McCain a 14.4% chance of winning compared to Obama's 86.8%. We've all seen comebacks not thought possible and a game changer could still occur with over 2 weeks to go as of know though Obama easily nets the 270 electoral votes necessary and surpasses 300.
So you are even doubting people like John Murtha who said that western pennsylvanians are racist? Or about ohio and even some rural hammocks in Iowa? Any extra energy and time will not "sway" those "obama osama", "muslim terrorist" "arab" thinking people!
But it is not a 100% so I am still interested as to the outcome of the election.
PS Did you vote already? You are in Ohio, aren't you?