US prepared to negotiate with Iran

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**US prepared to negotiate with Iran **

Mark Tran and agencies
Wednesday May 31, 2006

The US today deviated from its hard line on Iran by declaring its readiness to take part in talks if Tehran stopped enriching uranium.

Although the offer of negotiations came with preconditions that are unlikely to be accepted by Iran, it was the first sign of give from Washington. Tehran yesterday said it was ready for talks with the US, but without preconditions.

The US has had no formal contact with the Iranian government since students in Tehran took 52 Americans hostage in 1979.

Until now, the Bush administration has refused to enter direct negotiations with Iran over its nuclear activities. Instead, it has preferred to stay on the sidelines and let Germany, France and Britain do the diplomatic donkey work.

“To underscore our commitment to a diplomatic solution and to enhance prospects for success, as soon as Iran fully and verifiably suspends its enrichment and reprocessing activities, the United States will come to the table,” the secretary of state, Condoleezza Rice, said in Washington.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story/0,1786990,00.html

Do you think Iran should enter into direct talks with USA? or should they let EU continue to mediate the talks? Personally, i think direct talks is not a good plan at all, especially not where america is concerned, because 1) you can tell straight off america’s intention are not sincere (read the underlined), hence directs talk are most likely to be a failure. 2) with mediation, atleast there is more than one country involved, that way any plans for america to play PR games like they did at camp david (i.e. put forth ridiculous conditions, blame Iran for the talks failing, then go on to ask for sanctions as talks have failed), can be thwarted. im not saying EU is any better, but atleast it wont be unilateral thing and should america go off on one (reason: screw lose), hopefully the EU can reign it in…

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This is not a bilateral talk. This is joining in with the EU on negotiations. Anyway, this is not for the consumption of Iran. This is for Russia and China.

Aaj kya pakaaya/khaaya
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Amreeka is done table dance for shri little Kim now US will do another round of table dance for Shri Ahmadinajad... Its always 6, 5 clients and a stripper... Don't forget not too long ago Amreeka did table dance for Pakis too... I wonder who will Amreeka entertain next..

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I think you are confused as who dances and enjoys!! america dances? you outa your mind... they do the money throwing, they are ones who are always sitting at the front seat with all the money and wild grin on their faces and ready to make people do what the heck they wanna do... now when Iran is not booty shacking the way US wants it to, more clients as you call them are invited to make the booty shacking possible... china and russia are not in the mood for another booty shacking after N.korea. Iraq was a duo for UK and US. They called the UK guys and said "Mazaa aa raha hai!!!."

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Nice gambit, stop your work and we’ll talk. Sort of takes away the current tactic of stall while furiously working to build a bomb. Of course Iran will not accept with the preconditions. The Europeans will propose a fruitbasket of enticements, and Iran will stall.

Eventually President Nutjob will simply run out of time and lose the majority of his nuke program in a few big booms. He will launch some innacurate Scuds at Isreal, and Isreal will take out something nifty like Irans refineries. Will the Iranian people benefit from this little testosterone fit of President Nutjob? Unlikely. Five years from now he will still be sitting around wondering why he could not bring about the end of history.

It seems like the Europeans have pretty well figured him out. Here is an article from this weeks Der Spiegal:

THE IRANIAN CHALLENGE

An Apocalyptic Religious Zealot Takes on the World
Iran’s mullah-run theocracy is on a seemingly unstoppable course to becoming a nuclear power. The country’s president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, a pious zealot with a penchant for visions, is doing his best to provoke the West. Faced with a choice between acceptance and intervention, America and Europe have opted for diplomacy – for now, that is.
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,418691,00.html

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Hey its only a matter of time just like Pak both axis of evil become key allies they only need to do the dhamaka sometimes not even that… Well amreekan doooolars did nothing to halt Paki and NK nooclar program and it ain’t gona do notin to half Eyrans, Indians were in Russkie camp anyway.. . Eyran has far more resources then Pak and NK put together. So lets see who does the table dance AGAIN and lets see if amreekan table dance will halt Eyranian centrifuges from spinning…

Hey Monkey come inspect this :smiley:

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i would agree with you on part of the eurpeans not wasting their time on Iran and making the Euro stronger. I would suggest not to mess with Israel. Learn from the Egyptians... they were wipped pretty quick!! and now israel got better technology than at that time... "naa chairr malanga noh"

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Pak was not making dumb statements of having Israel wipped of fthe map. I am not in favour of both countries being in the state where they at now because it will cause further tensions in the area. Your attitude of having DHAMAKAS is not a wise one. Peace is my motive in the region but the way its going on the moment, dont see much coming

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Pakis were smart very smart they knew they could not hit Isreal at the time so making empty statements wouldn’t cut the cake, On teh other hand Iran has teh means to hit Israel very hard and if it has nukes, well read below… As for teh rest of it a wise man once said..

Power never takes a back step only in the face of more power..

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true.. very true!! hats off to you... who has more power? If Iran still centrifuging, is Israel pointing the already centrifuged weapons?

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IS that why Amreeka ran with its tail beween its legs from Vietnam and NK. Then it has set a precedent when ever there are powers behind these little states Amreeka wets its pants. :smiley:

Who is backing Eyran and NK? and what is stopping US from lobing cruise missiles just like on Afghanistan and Sudan?

North Korean! Whew, what a relief I thought it was Iraqi
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Nk does not have the capility to reach US. Iran is no where close. Afghanistan was a different story. You are keeping people in the country that are being taught with hatred.

Lets stay on the subject of Iran and US. The whopping love letter that the Ahmednijad had sent to the White house. He kept on stating his points with the references to Jesus (PBUH). Why are you wasting your ink regarding the Jesus when US is not a religion based country? Rules are not based on religion in the US. they are influenced but not steady on the religion. Iran and US should just meet in a country Switzland and get their tables straight.

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President Nutjob wanted talks. But apparently he does not want them very badly. Now he wants them with no preconditions. Sorry, all he wants to do is yak and yak and stall for time. Condi put an end to that. I hope Condi personally goes to the table. Nice assertive Black woman ought to freak out the Mullahs.

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Am I to assume that providing exampes of US faliures irks you? :slight_smile: The bottom line is Eyran will be a nuclear power no matter how you cut the cake.. They have the technology and teh resources. I wonder who gave them centrifuge designs :smiley: Now if you go by US track record of table dance then make no mistake US will do exactly what it has been doing for Shri Little Kim the Jr. PBUH or not Kim gots his nukes and so will Eyran…

Trick or treat! Oops. Is this a bad time. :smiley:

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I have heard theories on AQ Khan being the back bone for this but its too late. They already have the stuff tow ork with and the knowledge too. I just hope the talks make an end to this problem or else we will see another BIG problem.

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Eyran is a nuclear power and there isn’t much anyone can do about it. Its not IF but WHEN…

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/06F048EE-2F16-4836-8AE1-8DEDD43C9923.htm

The sooner US realizes the ground realities the better… I thought Indian, Pak, NK example should be more then enough.

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Iran won’t negotiate ‘nuclear rights’, rejects proposed talks with U.S.
Bad move by Iran, they have really left China and Russia with little choice.

 
**WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Iran rejected on Thursday a U.S. proposal to join multilateral talks as offering no "new and rational solution" to Iran's nuclear case, according to Iran's state-run news agency. **
 
Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki said Iran is willing to talk with the United States about its nuclear program but won't stop uranium enrichment, the condition Washington put on starting negotiations.
 
"We won't negotiate about the Iranian nation's natural nuclear rights, but we are prepared, within a defined, just framework and without any discrimination, to hold a dialogue about common concerns," The Associated Press quoted Mottaki as saying on state-run television.
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Wednesday that the United States will join multilateral talks with Iran on its nuclear program once Iran "suspends its enrichment and reprocessing activities."
 
"Rice remarks had no new words," Mottaki told the Islamic Republic News Agency (IRNA). "The remarks were a litany of phrases."
White House spokesman Tony Snow said Washington has changed tactics because the international community now faces "real timetables" on the progress of Iran's nuclear program.
Rice was in Vienna, Austria, to meet with the five permanent members of the U.N. Security Council on the Iran nuclear issue and to seek support for the U.S. position. 
 
The U.N. Security Council has demanded that Iran cease nuclear enrichment and reprocessing.
The Security Council has debated a resolution, backed by the United States, Britain and France, that would give the demand the force of international law and open the door to possible sanctions if Iran continues to refuse.
Russia and China, two of the council's veto-wielding permanent members, have said they oppose sanctions.
 
President Bush said Thursday he spoke to the presidents of China and Russia in a bid to get them to support U.N. sanctions against Iran if it does not suspend its nuclear activities.
"The most positive thing about all the conversations I had is there's uniform agreement that the Iranians should not have a nuclear weapon," Bush said. "And we'll discuss tactics and strategies to make sure that the international community speaks with one clear voice if the Iranians choose not to verifiably suspend."
 
Rice, in a speech Wednesday, also said Iran must also resume cooperating with the International Atomic Energy Agency, the United Nations' nuclear watchdog.
IRNA quoted Mottaki as saying Rice's remarks fail to provide a "new and rational solution" to the issue.
Another Iranian official called the U.S. condition unsuitable and emphasized that Iran has regularly said it will not cede its right to develop nuclear power, which it says it wants to do solely for peaceful purposes. The official -- Kazem Jalali, a spokesman for parliament's national security and foreign policy commission -- made his remarks on TV in Iran. 
 
Though Bush has said he is committed to a diplomatic solution in the standoff with Iran, he "is not going to take any of his options off the table, temporarily or otherwise," Rice said in response to a question about whether a military option remains a possibility.
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad earlier this month sent a letter to Bush, the first direct communication between the leaders of both nations since the Islamic revolution in Tehran in 1979. 
 
Though U.S. officials have refused to participate in nuclear talks with Iran in the past, "the United States might be able now to add weight to the negotiating track by joining these discussions," Rice said.
Rice said the United States acknowledges the right of the Iranian people to civil nuclear energy, but said the country's history of violating its commitments and working on a secret nuclear program mean it must now "persuasively demonstrate" that it is not pursuing nuclear weapons.
 
[http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/06/01/us.iran/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/06/01/us.iran/index.html)
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Iran will be stupid to trust U.S and that's why she is rejecting the talks. Just look at Iraq, inspections were going on and Bush decided to invade the country anyway. Kofi Anan declared the war illegal and now over 3 years, where we see civilians are being killed on daily basis. Why should Iran go on that road?

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Stupid to trust the US?

Iran violated the NPT for 18 years by running a clandestine nuclear program without disclosing it, and by buying blackmarket parts from unpunished nucear weapons brokers.

Never mind the US, Europe negociated with Iran for months, while iran stalled and delayed, even the Europeans are sick of them.

The dangerous part is that President Nutjob has invoked "National Honor", as if the Iranians are somehow more powerful in the eyes of the world with a bomb. I hope the next step is to point out to the Iranian people, that the cost of this nuclear brinksmanship will be seen in their economy, jobs, foreign investment, and international isolation. Ask the Libyans, this does not bode well for opportunities for restless and unemployed Iranian youth.

Iran might have prevailed in this, as the Europeans willpower is notoriously limp. Nutjobs bellicose statements about Israel and the Holocaust have served to remind the Europeans how bizzare and extreme the mullahs can be..... Isreal has played this with a perfect blend of restraint and outrage.

Lastly, the solution to this is really easy. Talks require a suspension, not a permanent cessation. No national interest is really at stake here. If Iran allows the IAEA to fully and completely inspect, then they have the perfect right to all the peaceful nuclear power they want. But as of today the IAEA is suspicious, and given an 18 year history of cheating on the NPT, the burden is on Iran to prove they are clean. We have all seen the cat and mouse games before, and know how easily inspectors can be fooled. Until Iranian resistance groups exposed the Iranian nuclear program, no inspector knew a thing.

You would think after Afghanistan, and Iraq that Iran would think twice about testing Bush's resolve. Apparently they somehow think that the US is so fatigued and worn down that Bush will not act. That is a very silly and risky conclusion. Bush is now dotting the I's and crossing the T's to make sure there is some world support the morning that a squadron of B2s make huge smoking holes in the Iranian desert. Silently the world will all breathe a sigh of relief, and congratulate themselves that the US was willing to do what had to be done, and what everyone else was silently hoping they would do.

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This is really the key here. Unlike Iraq, there is proof this time. Unlike Iraq, the rest of the world is taking the lead in this. Even the Russian plan was rejected by Iran. The Arabs are also concerned by a nuclear Iran.

The world, unlike Iraq, is loosing patience with Iran.