US prepared to negotiate with Iran

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Uranium-235 enrichment to the levels of 3-5% (civilian reactor use) is not prohibited under NPT, but the IAEA says Iran has flouted the regulation of the treaty, and is now calling to stop all it "enrichment-activities." Also widely reported -- leaked, rather, by annonymous diplomats --in the media was the news that "weapons-grade enriched uranium (at least has to be 80-90% enrichment completed to be weapons-grade) was found in Iran." Mind you, I looked at the IAEA website, and there is no mention of this story. So far it's only a "leak." Someone is claiming, equipments from Pakistan were culpable.

So, let stop frothing for a minute and see what's happening. Even Faux news reported that the country's top nuclear dude announced that Iran had achieved 3.6% enrichment of U-235 on April 9 and, upon further efforts, increased it up to 4.8% by may 3.
Hmm, let's see, one percetage point in one month. Logic dictates-- and sciencetards, correct me if I am wrong -- that to reach 80% (I doubt you could make a weapon with 60% enrichment-- adirty bomb-- because the critical mass, which is inversely proportional to square of density, would have be massive and thus render it impractical), you would need....say, 6.25 years to achieve weapons-grade. Some prominent scientists have predicted the same time horizon, if not longer. I think the enrichment process is pretty linear one, as opposed to being exponential.

Of course Israel is screeching, " Fcuk, bomb is few months away." But then, that's israel who will do anything to have Iowa farm boys die for their national security.

I dont claim to know Iran's intention -- do they want to acquire a bomb, or make one, or do they simply want to use nuclear power for civilian use (iran exports crude, not gasolinel. It's called crude for a reason), but the false urgency of the threat of a nuclear Iran in the backdrop of an Iranian oil trade in euros makes someone like me wonder. But I wear a tin-foil hat, so who is going to believe me.

Even though iran exports only 6% of world's crude oil, just remember, it's a demand-driven market now. No one can deny that the recent surge is oil prices was (check oil futures) due to the iran crisis. I fcuking hate the fact that little Israel is scared and I have to pay $10 bucks for gas this summer for calm this brat down.

Wake me up when Iran enriches U-235 to >5% levels. Links will be furnished upon request.

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Iran is at 3.5%. Uranium for a nuclear bomb would require around 90% enrichment and many thousands of centrifuges to be built and operated. Iran is far away from it, also the use of nuclear bomb would be a complete retaliation or defense against U.S and/or Israel.

Yes, transperancy is an issue that Iran needs to deal with the International community and so does U.S with its intenstion when addressing Iran/ Middle East.

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Two issues here:
1) Iran has been making bellicose statements, particularly in regards to Israel. Nutjob has come out and said that Israel will be wiped off the map. He has already said what he wants to do.
2) The issue here is not the immediate production of a weapon. If iran continues, it has the potential to turn the entire region on its ass. Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Syria will start on the same path. Sunnis will not allow Shias to become power brokers in the region. As the recent Arab League summit showed, no one in the region will rest if Iran gets the bomb. That is the greater threat.

This does not even bring Pakistan into the picture.

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Those two are not even issues to begin with. These statements are statements and even a 14 year old with comprehensive knowledge on world affairs would agree that Iran is just frustated that U.S and Israel are again trying to undermine their abilities and soverignity. Again, 3.5% and 90% needed to make the bomb, U.S needs to stop 'blackmailing' Iran.

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Iran won’t negotiate ‘nuclear rights’, rejects proposed talks with U.S.
Bad move by Iran, they have really left China and Russia with little choice.

 
**WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Iran rejected on Thursday a U.S. proposal to join multilateral talks as offering no "new and rational solution" to Iran's nuclear case, according to Iran's state-run news agency. **
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Nice spin. :hoonh: Iran has not rejected talks, rather are willing to talk albeit without the preconditions.]("http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/06/01/us.iran/index.html")

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Hezbollah is a phantasm then? Nonesense, Nut job said it: He will try to wipe Israel off the map.
Blackmail is happening from Iran. If Egypt starts to make a bomb, they can do it much faster than Iran. What then? Let the Ummah wipe each other out?

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1) Iran has been making bellicose statements, particularly in regards to Israel. Nutjob has come out and said that Israel will be wiped off the map. He has already said what he wants to do.

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So, let's see. Bush blazed the trail with his "Axis of evil" speech and backed Iran into a corner. To further exacerbate an already delicate situation, he attacked one of those axes of evil countries whcih happens be contiguous to Iran. Reminder: Iran didn't threaten the US in retaliation to the pre-emptive sabre-rattling from Shrub, she threatened Israel. We have pre-emptively attacked Iraq (and Afghanistan which is justified), Iran pre-emptively (okay, i will give you that) launched a proxy war in lebanon and Israel pre-emtively attacked Osiraq nuclear facility in Iraq in 1982 (?). So, everyone has got some skid marks on their undershorts in the game of pre-emptive, trigger-happy warmongering, and no one can claim a moral high ground.

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2) The issue here is not the immediate production of a weapon. If iran continues, it has the potential to turn the entire region on its ass. Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Syria will start on the same path. Sunnis will not allow Shias to become power brokers in the region. As the recent Arab League summit showed, no one in the region will rest if Iran gets the bomb. That is the greater threat.

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And why should Iran care what the others do? Iran is a sovereign country and has the right to defend itself. Just like we ignored UN and the international community and attacked Iraq pre-emptively just because we thought it was in the interest of our national security. Even IAEA chief said that he doesnt blame Iran for feeling nervous with Americans flanking them in Iraq and Afghanistan and having pakistan and israel possesing nuclear weapons. I dont want Iran to acquire a bomb, but having said that, I think your spin on the moral equivalnce (we are the good guys, and iran is bad) reeks of dishonesty.

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Well, that is really what it boils down to isn't it? The world is sort of divided into two camps. The first camp doesn't want Iran to have a bomb, but they don't want to do anything about it either. Call them the flacid non-proliferators.

The other camp is those who think atomic weapons are just dandy, and anybody who wants should have them. They see no danger whatsover in proliferation, and consider possession of a bomb a testosterone laden phalic symbol of some achievement. Call them the adolescent abdalis.

And despite your rather good analysis on the percentage enrichment achieved by Iran, you have forgotten just one thing. They lie. Iran hid a program that was inviolation of the NPT for 18 years. Hans Blix, when he was at the IAEA, was within days of giving Saddam a complete bill of clean health in 1991 before Saddam's son-in-law revealed a massive undisclosed nuclear program. Western intelligence did not detect the nuclear programs of India or Pakistan until test bombs went off. There is no certain way whatsover of trusting and verifying that Iran is telling the truth. Intelligence in these matter is about as good as the flip of a coin. However Saddam and Iran both lied about their programs in massive fashion, and as a result can no longer be trusted.

Why would a signatory to the NPT have a massive undeclared nuclear program for 18 years? Just goofin' off? I think not.

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Before anyone believes the American allegations against Iran, can they tell us when they will find the WMD in Iraq?

3 years, 3 months and waiting.

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That is precisely the point. Intelligence on secret programs is a crap shoot. Hiding massive nuclear programs destroys trust. From that point onward you can never trust the deciever, and you must assume that you can be fooled again. Saddam had a massive program that was completely undiscovered. And he seems like the kind who does not change his ways. How do you know?

Iran ran an undisclosed program for 18 years dealing with the Pakistani slime AQ Kahn, but why? One can only assume the undisclosed black market dealings have black intent.

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American intelligence is crap.

American governments are easily fooled by crappy exiles.

America deceived the world with a crap of lies over WMD in Iraq. From that point onward you can never trust the deciever.

America is ruled by slimy liars.

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...and the Americans follow

UTOPIA

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Every nation has the right to protect itself from an outside threat. Iran has alot of threats from Israel and America combined. You have to understand that this nation cannot rely on words by Americans, they don't trust their word or actions. Can America give any kind of verification that Israel would not harbor any resentment against the Middle East and Iran? Can they confirm that Iran would not be invaded, than exploited for its national resources?

For Iran this nuclear technology is necessary. They have a booming population that have doubled during the next 20 years. They've been increasingly importing electircity and gas. What is wrong if they want to diversify their energy sources? Why is U.S insisting on nuclear issue? I think the reason behind is that they want to repress the Iranians. If someone has the ability to achieve this power, it must be granted.

After the Iranian revolution, Iran informed the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) of its plans to restart its nuclear programme using indigenously-made nuclear fuel. IAEA also helped Iran in Technical Assistance Prgramme, which was than cancelled under U.S pressure.

"Clandastine" is the only issue U.S is worried about when the fact of the matter is the nuclear programme was openly disscussed and reported on Iranian Radio. Israel developed its indigenous nuclear weapons capability in 1968, why they are never questioned?

"Trust" is the key word. Can't trust the Mullah, can't believe the 'nutjob'. Well, why can anyone trust the Bush Adminstration for that SAME REASON? You answer that...they accused them or lies and misinformation when they themselves are being caught "red handed" everyday. Transparancy issue is a concern, but when you look at Israel that issue is never brought up.

Bush administration needs answers, they want result no matter how inaccurate the information. This administration knows this very well that the President of Iran is not going to use nuclear weapon if the happen the achieve that status. It is nothing but a populsit platform for them.