Re: US military officials confirm desecration of Quran in Guantanamo Bay
Nope nothing. And these people don't care. If muslims had burned the torah now that would be an issue of condemnation.
Remember the out cry about the Bayan Bhuddas. These same guys were all up in arms but now they don't care. So much for humanity. They don't even respect other peoples religions.
Re: US military officials confirm desecration of Quran in Guantanamo Bay
^ For further details please consult "Animal Farm" and that's how unites states run its policies.
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*Yes they will be, but what is it to you? *
It does mean a lot to me. Afterall, America did embark upon the journey of cleansing the world from Muslim extremists, so the least they can do is discipline their very own people who feel its okay to disrespect the holy books of other religions.
Explain to me how is desecration of the Quran is a crime? Where is it stated? Unfortunately, American military doesn’t follow Shariah system of justice.
Yes, America does not follow Shariah, but I'm sure it doesn't propagate desecrating the holy books of other religions.
If the offenders are disciplined, it will be following their own justice system rather than worrying about what others think. Your feelings were hurt, get over it.
I really do hope they get disciplined.
If desecrating the holy books doesn't mean anything then why was there an uproar against the Afghanis who destroyed the statues a few years ago. I clearly remember them being labelled as barbarics and uncivilized.
Anyway, I'm sure what Afghanis did in the past must've been beaten to death here on GS. Therefore, there's no use rekindling that discussion.
I simply feel there has got to be justice. If its wrong for Muslims to be destroying statues and disrespecting other religions, then its equally as bad for others to be disrespecting Islam.
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Sadiyah, there’s a difference between 800 year old Buddha’s and a copy of the Quran. Do you not understand that? Build them Buddhas and get a new copy of the Quran. Is that a fair deal?
How many Pakistanis are disciplined for burning the American flag? Is that not a desecration? Shoving a terrorist in the toilet is the desecration of the toilet.
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Hey Buddho, how many Buddha’s can you make from clay again? You materialistic moron it is the spirit and essence that counts… What if American soldiers piss on Ghulam Ahmad’s grave tomorrow? Is that a fair deal? I think NOT
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actually, you was online. :halo:
anyways, maybe we should be cleaning the dirt of the windshields. It may seem menial, but it sure will show you clearly, who is actually in the driving seat. and this way, they’ll see you clearly too. and if your not causing any obstruction, most likley they wont run you over . You see, its a win-win situation. So i suggest get out the sponge and water, sem, you guys really need it. 
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yes so long as they owned up, its all sweet eh? somehow i dont think so. If newsweek had not published the story, we’d all have known none the better. Its been a year or so now, since stories of abuse and torture have been coming out of the camp. It seems sweeping it under the carpet is one thing they’re pretty good at.
The individuals who did it only got away with it because the nation/governement ignored it until things got dangerous in afghanistan. Ask lyndie england, and she’ll tell you she was acting on orders. ppl like england are made scapegoats, cuz they’re worthless. Its ppl like rumsfield who shud also be held responsible for abu ghraib & gitmo. but you know what, the ******* stays on.
That is warped justice for you.
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To quote matusi “its about the message”. The message you send when you destory something holy to a religion or race is the same, whether it is the quran or clay statues.
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Actually, no, I wasn’t. Just another example of taking a bit of information out of context and twisting it to fit your point of view.
The dirty busses belong to Islam. Through the dirty windows you can’t see the buses are full of jihadis dragging the name of your religion through the mud. You assume it is loaded with righteous and pious Muslims on their way to prayer clutching their clean and perfect Qurans. Go ahead, keep worrying about American busses. But they aren’t running you over nearly as fast and as completely as the jihadis. No way can anyone convince me that isolated incidents of damaging a printed copy of a book are anywhere near the serverity and blasphemy of the harm that is done in the name of that book everyday - to non Muslims and Muslims alike.
Re: US military officials confirm desecration of Quran in Guantanamo Bay
As the Iraqi family going for a wedding that the US masscred. As the Afghani family who they bombed during a wedding celebration. Ask them which one is causing more harm.
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^^ Yeah CM US killed....errr...massacred the iraqis and afghani wedding goers. I personally told the wedding goers not to desecrate Quran in jubiliation, but they didnt listen and did so. Luckily our UAV caught them in the act and we did what a good moral nation is suppose to do, kill the desecrators.
So which KFC are u gonna burn? Is AK going with you or is he gonna burn another establishment (pizza hut??), you two for the price of one. How is the de-marching coming along?
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Finally I understand why the saudi royal family keeps US soliders in SA. Thank you Todd.
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Aww insults again. It is i believe a proverb "only a weak man resorts to insults when they can not stomach the discussion".
They killed them. The US lied. End of story,.
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Perhaps we should start with the best available document, the Pentagon summary of the incidents:
(1) During an interrogation in FEB 02, a detainee complained that guards at
Camp X-ray kicked the Koran of a detainee in a neighboring cell four to five days earlier.
The interrogator reported the first detainee’s complaint in a memorandum dated 27 FEB
02. The interrogator confirmed that the guards were aware of the detainee’s complaint.
There is no evidence of further investigation concerning this incident; however, we
consider this a confirmed incident.
(5) On 15 AUG 03, two detainees complained to the swing shift guards (1400-
2200 hrs) that the detainees’ Korans were wet because the night shift guards had thrown
water balloons on the block. The swing shift guards recorded the complaints in the block
blotter log in accordance with normal procedures. We have not determined if the
detainees made further complaints or if the Korans were replaced. There is no evidence
that this incident was investigated. There is no evidence that the incident, although
clearly inappropriate, caused any type of disturbance on the Block. We consider this a
confirmed incident.
(6) On 21 AUG 03, a detainee complained to a guard that a two-word obscenity
had been written in English on the inside cover of his English version Koran and asked to
complain to the commander. The complaint was recorded in the Detainee Management
System (DMS) electronic blotter system. After the incident, the English language Koran
was taken from the detainee who retained his Arabic language Koran. We have no record
indicating whether the detainee formally complained to the commander. We have found
no evidence to confirm who wrote in the detainee’s Koran. The detainee speaks English
at a conversational level. It is possible that a guard committed this act; it is equally
possible that the detainee wrote in his own Koran; however, we consider this a
confirmed incident.
(7) On 25 MAR 05, a detainee complained to the guards that urine came through
an air vent in Camp 4, and splashed on him and his Koran while he laid near the air vent.
A guard reported to a Block NCOIC that he was at fault. The guard had left his
observation area post and went outside to urinate. He urinated near an air vent and the
wind blew his urine through the vent into the block. The Sergeant of the Guard (SOG)
responded and immediately relieved the guard. The SOG ensured the detainee received a
fresh uniform and a new Koran. The Joint Detention Operations Group (JDOG) commander reprimanded the guard and assigned him to gate guard duty where he had no
contact with detainees for the remainder of his assignment at JTF-GTMO. This incident
was recorded in a series of contemporaneous sworn statements made by Camp 4 guard
force members. There is no record that this incident caused any type of disturbance in
the block. We consider this a confirmed incident.
(1) On 25 JUL 03, a contract interrogator apologized to a detainee for stepping on
the detainee’s Koran in an earlier interrogation. The memorandum of the 25 Jul 03,
interrogation session shows that the detainee had reported to other detainees that his
Koran had been stepped on. The detainee accepted the apology and agreed to inform
other detainees of the apology and ask them to cease disruptive behaviors caused by the
incident. The interrogator was later terminated for a pattern of unacceptable behavior, an
inability to follow direct guidance and poor leadership. We consider this a confirmed
incident.
Incidents:
Here is my summary incident by incident.
This was an incident from Feb '02. Since that time an SOP was written. If they can determine who the guard was who kicked the Quran, he should be reprimanded. As there was no written Standard Operating procedure during this time, more than a reprimand would be hard to explain.
Water ballons? If someone hit me with a water ballon in filthy hot Cuba, I am not sure I would mind. Shame shame. there is no intent to harm a Quran here.
Obsenity written in a Quran? but they are unable to determine who did it. Replace Quran.
Urine came through air vent. In this case the gurad may have been harrassing the detainee, but almost surely he was not “aiming” at the Quran. On the other hand, the guard may have been totally unaware of the air vent and simply had to go. Who knows.
Contract interrogator was fired. Fine.
None of these occurances appear to be “hate crimes”, and there is no American or military law against the accidental or incidental damaging of a Quran. So what precise "punishment " is prescribed here?
Here is the Standard Operating Procedure that was put in place in 2003:
Re: US military officials confirm desecration of Quran in Guantanamo Bay
Lets not 
we have had enough lies for this year give us a break!
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Ohio_guy, verzone and other dumbasses like them.
What are you trying to prove????? You Media is lie. They don't show anything but what bush says. They say there is freedom. What freedom??? they have passed out law that they can put anybody in prison without any prove. Is that freedom??? YOu know that your government lie. Our Quran is most important thing. Even whole world is not worth of a single letter of the Quran. We know that it happened and we don't want any disscussion on it. Who will inverstigate?? lol. Those dumbass guys who will give report only what bush says. First of all, Abuse of Quran happened in the past by russians and it is being happening by USA soldiers. And remember we do jihad to defend, not to kill innocent. Why we do jihad? only because of dumb acts like your government and other nonmuslims doing all around the world. Why they kill muslims?? when we raise up to defend, they call us terrorist. If we do somthing to show you that you are crap; then you call us terrorist. Who started it?? USA gives muslims land to Jew. Why didn't they give land from USA??? if pelstines are being killed everyday and they do suiside to make you think that they will not give up and not scared of giving ones life, you call them terrorist. YOu government goes in afganistan, kills innocent and says that your missel was misled?? what?? a super powers missle always misled and kill innocent afgan. They said that Bin laden had done the 9 / 11. Did they showed any prove to the people?? only crappy media did the propoganda. Even if they would have done it, Why would they done it??? you are supporting israil, killing innocent. USA is the support of israil. What do you do when you want to cut a tree? do you just want to cut the braches or the roots?? First of all Bin Laden wouldn't kill innocent. Second , even if he had done it, it's because USA's support of Israel. There might be other reasons too. But remember, we just assuming that if he done. A muslim never kill innocent. Even suiside do because that's only choice israili left them. Also they do suiside only at the places where are soldiers of israel..... Don't you see Muslims being killed everywhere but a single person of yours being killed and you guys start crying that why you are killing innocent people .. Why don't you recognize it yourself that you guys started it? We know that Quran is abused but people like me are not dumb to just to do the protest.. Remember we will take the revenge no matter what happens. But time have to come. We will not talk but do something . I just wrote this to smack the truth on your faces. I don't need to do disscussion or debate because I know the truth. Only hypocrites believe you. I don't care if you are from CIA or whatever. A truth is truth and I am not afraid to say it. There are millions of muslims, who believe like this. How many will you capture and kill without any reason?????????????????????????????????????
did you see the movies i posted???? even if you see them, you won't admit anything. Because you don't want to admit no matter what truth is.
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All that you wrote is full of siht. :D. But 
on the bold above. 
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I said that I am not going to discuss. So I am not going to make any comment. Say whatever you want to say but truth won't change.
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This is why I love Gupshup. The intelligent debate. :D
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verizon: hes new alrite. be nice.
gamer, some paras would help us get through your post. an no name calling please (except at verizon) 
og:he has some valid points. try reading it.