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*Originally posted by Abdali: *
You mean like yanks nuked women and children in Nagasaki and Heroshima.. How very short memory..
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I am so tired of hearing that. I think we apoligized. I know we are sorry.
I believe Japaneese are living good lifes. Do I remember? Yes_by education.
Ask the Japaneese if they want Jihad on America.
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*Originally posted by AvgAmericanGirl: *
I am so tired of hearing that. I think we apoligized. I know we are sorry.
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Let us do that then we will apologise too . :)
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*Originally posted by Abdali: *
Let us do that then we will apologise too . :)
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If that would make you happy? Just do it.
and forget about the non-prolliferation treaties.
Originally posted by AvgAmericanGirl: *
**Well, I am almost nearly positve that the civilian casualties are less that 3k. Yep. I would even bet on it. *
less more, where does it stop when does it stop. life of an innocent person is worth the same. loss of even 1 life is wrong no matter at whose hands. playing some numbers game is lame, otherwise it makes it justifiable for teh Japanese to blow up a few cities.
*I don't understand how a people who are God loving and kind would question?. *
question what?
*I can't because I have witnessed the feelings of the Ummanh and no lying about that. They want to kill me and my family. *
err no, no one has an interest in coming after you and/or your family. Its a vicious cycle of violence. we justified our attack on Iraq because we want to protect our people, I am sure that there will be groups who will want to avange the death of their loved ones, especially if they were innocent civilians, in revenge they will probably lash out at any american target...which will generate some actions by US which will result is some other civilians dying and thus creating another "batman" waiting to avenge his parents murder from the Joker..creatyion of more vigilantes...
The "ummah" wants to hurt you as much as Our govt wants to hurt an average arab...
the cycle has to stop, pedals on both sides of the bicycle need to stop moving to stop the cycle. or we can keep finding justification for moving our pedal..and then worry about teh othe rpedal moving as a result..action..reaction. I knwo you dont like it. i dont like it either but sadly thats what is going on.
*Originally posted by AvgAmericanGirl: *
*If that would make you happy? Just do it. *
I think he was just being cheeky with that comment. No one in their right minds would want to kill people like that. I mean we have seen monsters liek OBL, and milosevic etc..
*and forget about the non-prolliferation treaties. *
hey who all has signed that? does it also include the missile treaties as well ;)
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*Originally posted by AvgAmericanGirl: *
**Well, I am almost nearly positve that the civilian casualties are less that 3k. Yep. I would even bet on it. *
less more, where does it stop when does it stop. life of an innocent person is worth the same. loss of even 1 life is wrong no matter at whose hands. playing some numbers game is lame, otherwise it makes it justifiable for teh Japanese to blow up a few cities.
*I don't understand how a people who are God loving and kind would question?. *
question what?
*I can't because I have witnessed the feelings of the Ummanh and no lying about that. They want to kill me and my family. *
err no, no one has an interest in coming after you and/or your family. Its a vicious cycle of violence. we justified our attack on Iraq because we want to protect our people, I am sure that there will be groups who will want to avange the death of their loved ones, especially if they were innocent civilians, in revenge they will probably lash out at any american target...which will generate some actions by US which will result is some other civilians dying and thus creating another "batman" waiting to avenge his parents murder from the Joker..creatyion of more vigilantes...
The "ummah" wants to hurt you as much as Our govt wants to hurt an average arab...
the cycle has to stop, pedals on both sides of the bicycle need to stop moving to stop the cycle. or we can keep finding justification for moving our pedal..and then worry about teh othe rpedal moving as a result..action..reaction. I knwo you dont like it. i dont like it either but sadly thats what is going on.
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Fraudia.
Thank you. You have done a good deed.
I agree with you. Cycle has to stop. But how?
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*Originally posted by AvgAmericanGirl: *
Fraudia.
Thank you. You have done a good deed.
I agree with you. Cycle has to stop. But how?
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AAG
Thats the million..billion dollar question right..with no clear answers. We have to look at it from a human perspective..all of us..we should be as opposed to an innocent person being killed by our troops as we are opposed to an innocent person being killed or used as a shield by Iraqis or opposed to terrorists killing our civilians.
When we start justifying..based on whatever reason..we lose part of that humanity that is in us all...intentional targets, collateral damage, terrorist strikes..the net result is loss of life for people who really had nothing to do with it.
There are far too many people who fall in with party line and compromise on their own beliefs, there are others who probably dont have any beliefs and let bigotry and xenophobic ideas dictate their ideologies.
Should we not try to transcend that as individuals atleast? thats where the buck stops,a nd thats where stopping teh cycle starts..with each of us.
You remind me.
Of words that needed saying.
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*Originally posted by Malik73: *
What if someone is pointing guns at them mowing them down like the American soldiers are in this case? What if thousands upon thousands of American bombs are falling on your cities and town every night, and your people are being massacred in market places by American missiles? What if your schools are being taken over and used for the American military purposes?
The Iraqi people do not want to be bombed, butchered and massacred into "liberation" by illegal foreign powers, and the sooner the American government realise that the better.
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You exagerate Malik73. U.S. is not out to massacre civilians and I think you know that.
Have you watched how the smart bombs hit even? Seen a result? All the targets in Bagdad have been against Saddam government/military targets.
A couple accident's have occured but its not yet proofed whether it was defense missles falling back on the city or American missles, though U.S. has admitted the one that damaged the market place. A millitary target was within 300' I think they said.
But Blame Saddam for moving his military targets among civilians. And know that Americans regret harming those civilians and know we didn't intend to hurt them.
And now I am sorry for saying that because I just exused U.S. hitting civilians and I never intended that.
I flunked the billion dollar question. :(
And try not to make a Martyr of Saddam Hussein because he has killed more of his own people than the U.S. has ever accidently killed, in 1991 or these days and when he does it, he intends too. And you better believe that the more civilians die by U.S. might the happier Saddam is because it benefits him politically.
AAG:
You've got to remember that you are arguing with people who believe that every civilian death is evidence that the US has intentionally targeted civilians.
By that logic, they also must believe that every friendly fire death is evidence that the US is intentionally targeting its own troops.
You've just got to accept that there are people out there whose rage against America is so fierce that it short-circuits their ability to think and act rationally. That rage brought us 9/11. And that rage brought us to, explains and justifies our presence in Iraq today. You cannot reason with such people to diminish the rage. You've just got to deal with it and eliminate as many people who carry that rage as possible by bringing the battles to them on their turf rather than allowing them to bring the battles to our turf.
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*Originally posted by myvoice: *
AAG:
You've got to remember that you are arguing with people who believe that every civilian death is evidence that the US has intentionally targeted civilians.
By that logic, they also must believe that every friendly fire death is evidence that the US is intentionally targeting its own troops.
You've just got to accept that there are people out there whose rage against America is so fierce that it short-circuits their ability to think and act rationally. That rage brought us 9/11. And that rage brought us to, explains and justifies our presence in Iraq today. You cannot reason with such people to diminish the rage. You've just got to deal with it and eliminate as many people who carry that rage as possible by bringing the battles to them on their turf rather than allowing them to bring the battles to our turf.
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MyVoice,
It's good to hear someone with a touch of reasoning skills.
Many of the people here don't believe a word we say. And are under the impression that every deed we do is out to hurt them. I think its good to be in touch and try and understand why and try to learn how to remedy that somehow.
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*Originally posted by AvgAmericanGirl: *
U.S. is not out to massacre civilians and I think you know that.
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Tell that to the surviving family of the women, children and babies that the US soldiers massacred in cold blood the other day, the survivors of the market places you attacked, and the maternity hospital.
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*Originally posted by Malik73: *
Tell that to the surviving family of the women, children and babies that the US soldiers massacred in cold blood the other day, the survivors of the market places you attacked, and the maternity hospital.
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And I suppose you didn't read this?
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You better believe that the more civilians die by U.S. might the happier Saddam is because it benefits him politically.
Or is it that you don't believe that?
I suppose you haven't read the facts about the maternity hospital either?
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*Originally posted by Malik73: *
Tell that to the surviving family of the women, children and babies that the US soldiers massacred in cold blood the other day, the survivors of the market places you attacked, and the maternity hospital.
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AAG: Here we have another good case in point. It would be quite impossible to tell anything to the surviving family of women, children and babies that US soldiers massacred in cold blood in the maternity hospital. WHY? Because there were no injured or dead at the maternity hospital so there could be no surviving family.
The International Red Cross said patients were removed from the hospital before the war started and that no staff were there when concussions and debris from a bomb exploding nearby damaged the facility.
It's just pure rage that does not need a factual basis to support it. Facts don't get in the way. So why bother to argue?
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*Originally posted by AvgAmericanGirl: *
You better believe that the more civilians die by U.S. might the happier Saddam is because it benefits him politically.
Or is it that you don't believe that?
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What we know for a fact is that the US military has made excuses every time it has butchered civilians, and after it butchered those women, children and babies it said it was "absolutely the right thing".
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*Originally posted by Malik73: *
What we know for a fact is that the US military has made excuses every time it has butchered civilians, and after it butchered those women, children and babies it said it was "absolutely the right thing".
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Total B.S. Malik73.
U.S. would never say that the right thing to do is to kill women and children and I think you know that.
B.S.
Brass may have said that it was the right reaction for people running a checkpoint.
(which a highly respected muslim scholar has vouched that they those people were forced by gunpoint to do)
I myself think about the family that died and I also think about the soldier that did that. If it were me I would never be able to forgive myself for doing that. I don't think that soldier will ever forget their faces Malik73, or forgive himself, ever, EVER.
Can't you understand that doing that is an act of fear? Put yourself in that kids place. Even though his bosses said he did the right thing, they are just trying to ease the pain of knowing he killed a family unnessessarily.
Because of the previous days suicide bombers.
I feel so sorry for that soldier who has to live with killing innocents on his conscience. I can't help it.
I feel sorry for the people that forced that family to run a stop.
I feel sorry for the "****" that made that family do that.
And I am heartfully sorry for the family that died.
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*Originally posted by AvgAmericanGirl: *
Total B.S. Malik73.
U.S. would never say that the right thing to do is to kill women and children and I think you know that.
B.S.
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Of course it's BS. He sees butchered women and children in a maternity clinic when there are none. It is BS and it is delusional based upon rage.
Now now no need to get testy. The US military quite categorically said it was the ‘absolutely the right thing’ for the US soldier for the action he took.
The soldiers involved “absolutely did the right thing”, General Peter Pace, vice-chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said.](BBC NEWS | Middle East | US backs troops over checkpoint killings)
Ahem…and I quote;
**"U.S. Central Command in Qatar said seven of the 13 women and children in the van were killed and two wounded. A Washington Post correspondent near the scene said 10 people were killed.
Marine Corps General Peter Pace said the soldiers who shot at the van “absolutely did the right thing,” because they thought their lives were threatened."**
Thank you Thappie…now get ready for the insults.