Insults I can take, they show some initiative, but lame excuses covering grave misgivings in US policy curdle my milk.
Oops wouldn’t want this to be hidden in the excuses.
bbc should be sued. they are so anti-american. why don't they just stick to facts..
Very poor side-step. The charge that was made by Malik was that women and children were butchered by US troops in the maternity clinic incident.
That's false. Repeating it over and over again as if it was true can only be seen as evidencing a certain rage against the US. It is a transparent attempt to inflame and enrage others who will come to believe it to be true merely because they've heard it so many times.
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Oops wouldn't want this to be hidden in the excuses.
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Neither would I...
***"U.S. Central Command in Qatar said seven of the 13 women and children in the van were killed and two wounded. A Washington Post correspondent near the scene said 10 people were killed.
Marine Corps General Peter Pace said the soldiers who shot at the van "absolutely did the right thing," because they thought their lives were threatened."***
>>It is a transparent attempt to inflame and enrage others who will come to believe it to be true merely because they've heard it so many times.
something comes to mind....cnn and the gang.
I get it now. You guys think the Van was destroyed while driving through the maternity clinic!!! That's your story darn it, and you're going to stick with it.
Malik,
Why don't you put yourself in their shoes? Take off your socks and put your feet in their shoes on either side.
The only think this family had to look forward to was death. And it was because some suicide bomb squad made them. They didn't want to die. They were forced to and thought ... God willing it might be easy. The Americans will believe me. Second guess me and look into my eyes and know this.
Now put yourself in the feet of the ones who shot them.
Scared kids who didn't want to die that day. Machine guns aare dangerous.
Some scared kids who will never ever be able to forgive themselves.
I think that is punishment enough.
And never ever be able to forget their faces or blood. EVER. As long as they live.
Those soldiers will probobly die in the mud there for the simple reason that they can't forget the innocent faces.
If they survive. They will still never be able to forgive themselves or forget those innocent faces.
And they will pay the price of that always their entire life.
I'm sorry for them.
I'm sorry for that family but I know God welcomed them and they are living in paradise.
(and that they were not suicide bombers on purpose, they were forced to by the bad ones.)
Giving ones life up suicidal is a mortal sin in my book.
I'm praying that the Angels will forgive them.
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I get it now. You guys think the Van was destroyed while driving through the maternity clinic!!! That's your story darn it, and you're going to stick with it.
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myvoice, does it matter where the van was? It was in Iraq, Iraqi citizens have the right to move about in their country or the US & Brits have taken that away too. US will probably give it back when the "security is secured" as mentioned by yoyr friend utd. How pathetic can the americans be to justify the killing of children.
Avgamerican girl, now put yourself in the shoes of the mother who saw her daughters heads come off in her lap. If it was you after you were over the shock what will you do? maybe you will decide to kill the people responsible even if it kills you. If your answer is no, you are not a parent.
try justifying that ....
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myvoice, does it matter where the van was? It was in Iraq, Iraqi citizens have the right to move about in their country or the US & Brits have taken that away too. US will probably give it back when the "security is secured" as mentioned by yoyr friend utd. How pathetic can the americans be to justify the killing of children.
Avgamerican girl, now put yourself in the shoes of the mother who saw her daughters heads come off in her lap. If it was you after you were over the shock what will you do? maybe you will decide to kill the people responsible even if it kills you. If your answer is no, you are not a parent.
try justifying that ....
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I cannot justify any of it, ever. My hope would be that she didn't see that and knew that she and her family would be together.
If you don't have hope, then you have never been a mother.
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I cannot justify any of it, ever. My hope would be that she didn't see that and knew that she and her family would be together.
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You are right I have never been a mother and never will be, however, I am a father. I know I will do whatever was in my power to take revenge, even if it killed me.
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You are right I have never been a mother and never will be, however, I am a father. I know I will do whatever was in my power to take revenge, even if it killed me.
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Well thats probobly the way fathers think. Mothers don't think that way. I suppose they are stronger than fathers. My worry would be if I survived that horror, I would never want to see that again.
I wouldn't want my sons to revenge me. No way EVER. I would want my people to remember me kindly and know that any hurt you do another hurts innocent people. And by doing such deeds? Hurts me also.
So don't ever do that.
Understand?
Got that?
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The only think this family had to look forward to was death. And it was because some suicide bomb squad made them.
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Wrong, this was a family we read was trying to flee the fighting and had no intentions of being suicide bombers, even the US military has not claimed that. They were murdered in cold blood in one of the worst American atrocities of the war, and the US military has publicly said that the soldiers "absolutely did the right thing".
Yes it was awful, a car wasn't stopping at a check point and it was thought to be a car bomb thus it was fired on.
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Yes it was awful, a car wasn't stopping at a check point and it was thought to be a car bomb thus it was fired on.
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No warning shots were fired, and Iraqi women, children and babies were murdered in cold blood. But the US military has no remorse for it would not say that the soldiers "absolutely did the right thing".
War criminals...
These Iraqi women, children and babies were in a vehicle that refused to stop at a check point AFTER being warned INCLUDING the firing of warning shots. Probably because they were forced to by the terrorist tactics of Iraqis to implicate US in civilian deaths. Or why else did they not stop? US isn't going to allow for more suicide bombers. The driver of that van was either a terrorist, EXTREMELY stupid or coerced by other Iraqis with threats to his family.
Not quite true…
*There are two different versions of what happened. According to coalition Central Command, the soldiers first fired warning shots, then aimed at the engine, and finally targeted the vehicle itself.
But the Washington Post newspaper quotes a senior officer as telling a subordinate: “You killed a family because you didn’t fire a warning shot soon enough.”*
That SOB Saddam has his thugs using tactics that are forcing Iraqis to go through these check points under great suspicion ever since a taxi detonated a car bomb killed four soldiers. I feel awful for this family who were seeking safety form Saddams regime and who in the end were ultimately killed due to Saddam tactics. A sergeant at the scene said it was the most horrible thing he had ever seen. This family did nothing wrong, Saddams tactics are to blame.
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Excuses excuses. It's not surprising that American's are now making excuse for their soldiers murdering Iraqi, women and babies in cold blood - some regard for civilian life huh?
:k: You got it UTD.
Unfortunately we will never change the minds of those who are either too ignorant to see the truth or too jealous of the US to give them any credit. Instead I fear they will go to their graves believing that Iraq (or anyone that is not the US or Britain) do not commit these horrible crimes.