AAG, the GI Joes and his buddies must be ripped apart coz they are not suppose to be there in the first place. They are the invaders and Iraqis are the defenders they are defending thir home by all means necessary. do you understand this simple logic......
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I do understand that Abdali. I have no animosity towards people defending their homes. I have said that before. How could I?
But on the other hand...I don't like seeing GI's dying who were lead to believe they were liberating Iraqi's.
You must remember that Washington thinks Iraq is a threat to the U.S. it's interests, it's neighbors, and to America. They are fearful of Saddam. They are fearful of Al Quaeda and such groups gaining Saddam's technology. They are fearful if they don't depose him he will share WMD technology and/or weapons with people that want to kill Americans. Plus the fact that Saddam has no concsience over killing his own people. And the people supposedly live under a horrid dictatorship who has no qualms over torturing or killing them.
That said. I don't think what happend on 9/11 supports their fear. I haven't seen any crucial evidence to support this. Washington does think so, or so they say.
I can only pray, because I am helpless in the matter, and that America will do rightly by the Iraqi's when the fight is over.
If Washington is lying to the American people then God knows those GI's will die in the mud for a lie and do dishonor to America and its values for all time.
AAG: lets turn the tables .....please envisage ...U are an iraqi civilian ur mom , brother and father are lying in a pool of blood , some of their pieces are littered on the floor because of allied bombing . Would u make the same statement.
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I do understand that Abdali. I have no animosity towards people defending their homes. I have said that before. How could I?
But on the other hand...I don't like seeing GI's dying who were lead to believe they were liberating Iraqi's.
You must remember that Washington thinks Iraq is a threat to the U.S. it's interests, it's neighbors, and to America. They are fearful of Saddam. They are fearful of Al Quaeda and such groups gaining Saddam's technology. They are fearful if they don't depose him he will share WMD technology and/or weapons with people that want to kill Americans. Plus the fact that Saddam has no concsience over killing his own people. And the people supposedly live under a horrid dictatorship who has no qualms over torturing or killing them.
That said. I don't think what happend on 9/11 supports their fear. I haven't seen any crucial evidence to support this. Washington does think so, or so they say.
I can only pray, because I am helpless in the matter, and that America will do rightly by the Iraqi's when the fight is over.
If Washington is lying to the American people then God knows those GI's will die in the mud for a lie and do dishonor to America and its values for all time.
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You see AAG Saddam is no threat to US and that is no secret even a low IQ yank can expain that in detail.
The point is how would you feel if someone invades your country destroy your cities and kill half a million Americans including your brothers and sisters... Lot of people are now saying that Americans don't understand war coz they have not seen one... Once your cities are destroyed and your bro and sis are killed I say couple hundred thousand I am sure your opinion will change..
In another topic on the suicide bombing in Iraq, a few people commented with pleasure about how Iraqis were finally standing up for themselves, creating their own form of pre-emptive strike, etc.. The above article, however, illustrates the dangerous consequences of this. When soldiers dress up in civilian clothing, the opposing force has to start considering civilians as possible threats. When soldiers start pretending to surrender and then use the opportunity to gun down the opposing force, that opposing force must deal more suspiciously with others who are surrendering. And when suicide bombers use civilian vehicles to kill the opposing force, the opposing force has to start looking at civilian vehicles as threats.
But go ahead, cheer away, keep cheering, as this whole thing turns very, very ugly for everyone involved.
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*Originally posted by Deewaanagi: *
In another topic on the suicide bombing in Iraq, a few people commented with pleasure about how Iraqis were finally standing up for themselves, creating their own form of pre-emptive strike, etc.. The above article, however, illustrates the dangerous consequences of this. When soldiers dress up in civilian clothing, the opposing force has to start considering civilians as possible threats. When soldiers start pretending to surrender and then use the opportunity to gun down the opposing force, that opposing force must deal more suspiciously with others who are surrendering. And when suicide bombers use civilian vehicles to kill the opposing force, the opposing force has to start looking at civilian vehicles as threats.
But go ahead, cheer away, keep cheering, as this whole thing turns very, very ugly for everyone involved.
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The point is that the great US should stop this propaganda that they are there to liberate and accept what they are, INVADERS, pure and simple. They should stop taking the high moral ground. The events above and the mentality of their soldiers show that they are brutal killers and nothing else.
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How is it that you think America means harm to people who are unable to defend themselfs?
Why would we do such a thing? Why do you think American's don't give a heck?
Why, if we wanted only oil...... didn't we just didn't go for someone without an army? Just scoop it up?
Why is it that America is expected all the time..but can't always afford to save everyone?
How could we? Can you?
I think we try. I think the Iraqis' will have better days. Much better days.
I think one day possibility even exists that we could be friends.
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AvAg.
They did it in the past and i hardly think they will avoid it in the future.
History repeats itself and is THE proof.
I don't know what facts you need to understand the American way of war?
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How is it that you think America means harm to people who are unable to defend themselfs?
Why would we do such a thing? Why do you think American's don't give a heck?
Why, if we wanted only oil...... didn't we just didn't go for someone without an army? Just scoop it up?
Why is it that America is expected all the time..but can't always afford to save everyone?
How could we? Can you?
I think we try. I think the Iraqis' will have better days. Much better days.
I think one day possibility even exists that we could be friends.
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Read the above report and you will realise how the Americans mean harm to ordinary Iraqis, including women and children.
A dead Iraqi cant have better days, can he?
You cant be friends with someone whom you invade and create mayhem in their country and that also without a reason or uninvited.
Remember how you felt after 9/11. Well for he Iraqi people this is thousands of times worse than that. Here american armed forces are spreading terrorism on the Iraqi population and not liberating it, contrary to what your media might be telling you.
Read the above report and you will realise how the Americans mean harm to ordinary Iraqis, including women and children.
A dead Iraqi cant have better days, can he?
You cant be friends with someone whom you invade and create mayhem in their country and that also without a reason or uninvited.
Remember how you felt after 9/11. Well for he Iraqi people this is thousands of times worse than that. Here american armed forces are spreading terrorism on the Iraqi population and not liberating it, contrary to what your media might be telling you.
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Well, I am almost nearly positve that the civilian casualties are less that 3k. Yep. I would even bet on it.
I don't understand how a people who are God loving and kind would question?. I can't because I have witnessed the feelings of the Ummanh and no lying about that. They want to kill me and my family.
Well, I am almost nearly positve that the civilian casualties are less that 3k. Yep. I would even bet on it.
I don't understand how a people who are God loving and kind would question?. I can't because I have witnessed the feelings of the Ummanh and no lying about that. They want to kill me and my family.
Should I allow them to? just because?
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So as long as the number of Iraqis killed by Americans is less than 9/11 then is it justified? Didnt you take revenge for 9/11 by killing thousands of innocent Afghanis, much more than 3k. When will this blood thirst be quenched? Or is American blood more important than the Afghani and Iraqi.
So as long as the number of Iraqis killed by Americans is less than 9/11 then is it justified? Didnt you take revenge for 9/11 by killing thousands of innocent Afghanis, much more than 3k. When will this blood thirst be quenched? Or is American blood more important than the Afghani and Iraqi.
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To answer your question. No. I don't think American blood is more important that anyone elses.
I will say this.
If you would rather have a despot as your leader? Its your choice.
If you want to defent Saddam Hussein not the good Saddam Husseini.
Your choice.
If you would rather see a despot in your neighboring country rather than perhaps a people who might help to make a difference? Thats your choice.
It is not a question of defending a despot. No one is defending Saddam. It is the question of the invasion and occupation of one country by another especially as your country has decided to become the uninvited policeman of the world. Two wrongs do not make a right. Whos is more evil, Saddam or Bush, who has killed more innocent people recently, in Afghanistan and now Iraq? Who calls a butcher like Sharon a man of peace?
Finally you seem to be getting the point. It is the Iraqi people who are the one's who decide their destiny, not some outside invading power. It's the 12th day of the war and it's pretty clear that the Iraqi people want nothing much to do with the American's, and are resisting for that reason. Let's hope American does not make the mistakes of Vietnam and Somalia and get's out while it can, and stops killing innocent Iraqi's at the same time.
Finally you seem to be getting the point. It is the Iraqi people who are the one's who decide their destiny, not some outside invading power. It's the 12th day of the war and it's pretty clear that the Iraqi people want nothing much to do with the American's, and are resisting for that reason. Let's hope American does not make the mistakes of Vietnam and Somalia and get's out while it can, and stops killing innocent Iraqi's at the same time.
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But Malik73,
What if they are afraid? What if they are afraid we would abandon them as was done in the past. Why would they trust us? I wouldn't if I were them 12 years ago, and I think I would have a difficult time trusting today.
What if someone is really pointing a gun to their heads to fight? I don't know what it feels like to live in Iraq. I would imagine it would be hard to trust anyone, especially outsiders.
What if someone is really pointing a gun to their heads to fight?
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What if someone is pointing guns at them mowing them down like the American soldiers are in this case? What if thousands upon thousands of American bombs are falling on your cities and town every night, and your people are being massacred in market places by American missiles? What if your schools are being taken over and used for the American military purposes?
The Iraqi people do not want to be bombed, butchered and massacred into "liberation" by illegal foreign powers, and the sooner the American government realise that the better.
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*Originally posted by Deewaanagi: *
In another topic on the suicide bombing in Iraq, a few people commented with pleasure about how Iraqis were finally standing up for themselves, creating their own form of pre-emptive strike, etc.. The above article, however, illustrates the dangerous consequences of this. When soldiers dress up in civilian clothing, the opposing force has to start considering civilians as possible threats. When soldiers start pretending to surrender and then use the opportunity to gun down the opposing force, that opposing force must deal more suspiciously with others who are surrendering. And when suicide bombers use civilian vehicles to kill the opposing force, the opposing force has to start looking at civilian vehicles as threats.
But go ahead, cheer away, keep cheering, as this whole thing turns very, very ugly for everyone involved.
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Chinese, Master Sun Tsu in the art of war 2000 years ago..
"the rule of war is that there is no rule" There are reportes of quite a few US undercover operatives in Baghdad. I am sure they are not roaming around in GI Jos uniform.. If Iraqi civilians are defending their homeland its their choice however they chose to do. I hope saddam has tons and tons of most deadly CW in stock and he waits until the temp hits 120 degrees. Hey if the yanks can use nukes on civilians Saddam has all the rights to use on yanks.
Chinese, Master Sun Tsu in the art of war 2000 years ago..
"the rule of war is that there is no rule" There are reportes of quite a few US undercover operatives in Baghdad. I am sure they are not roaming around in GI Jos uniform.. If Iraqi civilians are defending their homeland its their choice however they chose to do. I hope saddam has tons and tons of most deadly CW in stock and he waits until the temp hits 120 degrees. Hey if the yanks can use nukes on civilians Saddam has all the rights to use on yanks.
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Who here is using Nukes? And I think civilized people respect the rules of war. They don't put their women and children on the front lines, Abdali.
Who here is using Nukes? And I think civilized people respect the rules of war. They don't put their women and children on the front lines, Abdali.
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You mean like yanks nuked women and children in Nagasaki and Heroshima.. How very short memory..
Who here is using Nukes? And I think civilized people respect the rules of war. They don't put their women and children on the front lines, Abdali.
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Civilised people (as American forces forces claim to be) don't use girls schools for military purposes as the US military is. They don't go around butchering ciivilians in market places, and mowing them down on bridges and the streets, also as some of the American soldiers are doing.
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What **if* they are afraid? What if they are afraid we would abandon them as was done in the past. Why would they trust us? I wouldn't if I were them 12 years ago, and I think I would have a difficult time trusting today.
What if someone is really pointing a gun to their heads to fight? I don't know what it feels like to live in Iraq. I would imagine it would be hard to trust anyone, especially outsiders.
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