US invasion of Pakistan

Saudi Government Daily: ‘U.S. to Invade Pakistan’
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In an article in the Saudi English daily The Saudi Gazette, Md. Maqdoom Mohiuddin and Khamis Mushayt wrote an op-ed and book review which exposes an alleged U.S. plot to invade Pakistan, and then later possibly Sudan, Indonesia, Nigeria, and Turkey. The following is the article: [1]

" Sir George Friedman, the author of the book ’ America’s Secret War,’ which is going to be released this month, revealed that the Bush administration is set to invade Pakistan and divide it.

"The original plan is to invade Pakistan and occupy the North West Frontier Province (NWFP) and Balochistan. It would seek India’s help and allow India to annex Punjab, Sindh, and part of Kashmir under Pakistan rule.

"There have been rumors about a possible invasion of Pakistan but this is the first time this strategy of the U.S. is exposed. This is a very dangerous plan which will have unimaginable severe consequences and will put the survival of the world at stake.

"There is no doubt that the U.S. is the biggest enemy of Islam and the Muslims. It utilized Pakistan to bring down the former USSR, helped Pakistan form the Taliban and help the Taliban to come to power in Afghanistan. But when Afghanistan refused to allow passage of an oil pipeline it declared the Taleban as terrorists and, after 9/ll, attacked Afghanistan.

"After the destruction of Afghanistan, it sought the help of Pakistan through intimidation. Now it is not only trying to destabilize Pakistan but is also bent on dividing it. This is the worst example of friendship extended by the U.S., as Secretary of State Collin Powell recently avowed that Pakistan is the U.S. biggest and trusted ally outside NATO.

"The bomb blast in Pakistan and the sectarian fighting between the Sunnis and the Shiites show that the U.S. has started implementing its program.

"The U.S. contends that Osama bin Ladin is hiding somewhere in Pakistan. Ironically, President Pervez Musharaff has also said that Osama might be alive and hiding in the NWFP or on the Pakistan-Afghan border. This will give the U.S. an excuse to attack Pakistan. Right after 1947, the U.S. has been using Pakistan for its mean purposes and Pakistan’s military rulers have always served Americaninterests for their survival. On its part, India should not be a part of any such misadventure. Because the U.S. is nobody’s friend, India should not become a party to its devilish scheme lest this devil will also devour it one day. It is now time for the three big countries of Asia, China, India, and Pakistan to join hands and fight U.S. misadventure and hegemony.

"The book also reveals that the other possible targets of the U.S. will be Sudan, Indonesia, Nigeria, and Turkey.

"Turkey is a NATO member. It regards itself as a secular country, although it is a 100 percent Muslim nation. It is a friend of Israel and has diplomatic and business relations with it. Turkey should know that the U.S. is totally committed to the Zionist state and is promoting Zionism. It cannot be anybody’s friend, especially of the Muslims. Turkey should realize that its survival lies in Islam.

"This book should open the eyes of other Muslim countries which have warm relations with the U.S. Muslim countries are having a difficult time. After the collapse of the USSR, the U.S. is playing its game openly as there is nobody to challenge it anymore.

" President George W. Bush is also the biggest enemy of Islam. After 9/11, he openly advocated a Crusade and everyone in the world knows what a crusade is a war against the Muslims and total annihilation of the Muslims."

I would not like to believe in a US invasion of Pakistan, but the US is capable of anything. What do you think would happen if the US and India did occupy Pakistan. Please don’t come back with answers of “Allah will save us and things like ‘We will kick Indian ass’ etc” Something more realistic.

Why doesnt this book mention that US will invade Iran, Syria (who currently pose biggest threat to Isreal) and annex Saudia Arabia (who have received a lot of flak from US administration lately) ?

if this happens…i say we’ll nuke them! so what if we die with them! we’ll be spared of the humiliation the poor people of Iraq and Afghanistan have been facing inspite of putting up a good fight, and will die a glorius national death teaching them a lesson.
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lets see “Who Dares”!?

US is not going to invade Pakistan. It has a pliable Pakistani ruler who has given FBI/CIA etc a free run.

US has only everything to lose by making war with Pakistan.

BTW, Haris Pakistan does not have the ability to nuke the US even if it wants to.

yes Talwar, in Gen Mush the US have a fox of an ally...

i know Pakistan cant nuke the US on their soil, they can nuke them on their bases and strongholds nearby...

Failed States, theocratic States and ideology based States cannot survive without an enemy. For this reason we can understand why USA is a popular enemy. They know whom to blame for all incompetency.

The most laughable statement of this thread is…..

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What do you think would happen if the US and India did occupy Pakistan.
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And the author comments…..

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After 9/11, he (Bush) openly advocated a Crusade and everyone in the world knows what a crusade is a war against the Muslims and total annihilation of the Muslims."
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Muslims have reached to this poor state of affairs because for centuries they have been teaching each other that outer world wants to annihilate Muslims.

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*Originally posted by anjjan: *
Failed States, theocratic States and ideology based States cannot survive without an enemy. For this reason we can understand why USA is a popular enemy. They know whom to blame for all incompetency.

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Ahh Anjan, can you say the same about Isreal, or are you saying that a theocratic states with democracy and ideology is ok?

LOL, if the US were to invade Pakistan than yes the Bush Administration's stupidity knows no bounds. Talk about killing the goose that lays the golden eggs! With Busharraf the US have the the best ally ever in that region.

If the US were ever to do so, the first step would be to kill or overthrow Musharraf. Then in the name of securing the nukes it takes over the country. But it will only do so, if their patience with Musharraf runs out or if the US is attacked again. Thus the hollowing out of the Pakistani political establishment by Musharraf to keep his position strong could backfire for Pakistan.

Re: US invasion of Pakistan

hmmm

the US invaded Afghanistan to make way for the oil pipeline and Iraq for the oil reserves b/c the govts there did not let the US have its way otherwise

but its not like it converted all the Muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq to Christianity

i dont think its abt Islam, its all economically fuelled

or maybe their reason was to destroy the economic infrastructure and public morale of strong and upcoming Muslim nations? who knows..

khair..

Pakistan, from our record so far, has been saying YES to all the demands the US has set, so i dont see a reason that the US can have for a hostile invasion similar to reasons for invading Afganistan and Iraq…

Recently even Iran, the most stubborn Muslim country, gave in to US pressure, abt their nuclear program

and Qadafi of Libya too had given in after the Iraq invasion

some Muslim populations may be against the US, but the truth is that there’s no Muslim country right now whose govt is in open opposition/defiance to the US

unless Bush wants more wars (and he could for many reasons), there’s no apparent reason for him to attack us

but then again, you never know

anyhow, if the US does attack Pakistan, whats gona happen?

  • our brave army and poor soldiers will be ready to fight

  • the govt will chicken out and prolly strike a secret deal with the us govt

  • the rich will flee the country

  • foreign jihadis from afghanistan and Kashmir, the same ones who r in Wana right now, will infiltrate the country and incite war

  • the majority of Pakistanis will be ready to peacefully surrender without a fight, no one here wants war, we jus wana live in peace and be able to practice our religion (which will prolly be possible under US rule too coz Muslims in America can practice Islam freely)

anyhow, if the US attacks Pakistan, we can put up a much stronger defence than Afghanistan and Iraq, we’re not so easy of a target

and Daniyal

:k: :wink: yeah u said it

Pakistan Zindabad :jhanda:

I agree, US only has interest in countries that can make it economically stronger, oil is obviously its main concern under the guise of 'bringing freedom to the people' by toppling regimes. In my opinion the US could have taken out Saddam ten years ago but the political climate was not right and most countries would have opposed it, but they had their pawn in place, then creating this WTC tragedy to frame the Islamic world and to get the sympathy of the world on their side (which worked) they had the open road to invade Iraq just to get to the oil. Funny thing how they "found Saddam just before Xmas" intime to boost the moral of the troops, just like OBL tape turns up 2 days before the elections an hey presto Bush wins, because OBL said that it dosn't make any difference if Kerry wins or not, so the Bible belt Americans thought if OBL is to do something then at least we know Bush's record he will go all out, but there was no record of Kerry. OBL is part of America's big picture its just that people don't realise.

Re: US invasion of Pakistan

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*Originally posted by Daniyal: *
...Saudi English daily The Saudi Gazette, ..Mohiuddin and Mushayt ..expose an alleged U.S. plot to invade Pakistan, and then later possibly Sudan, Indonesia, Nigeria, and Turkey. The following is the article: [1] .....
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Oh my simpleton Dan the man! These Arrrabob are worried about the invasion of Saudi Arrrabobs by the Pakistani Army.

He should soon see the Jootas (boots) of Pakistani army beating the terrorist behinds of these Arrabobs.

These Saudi Arrabobs still consider Paks, Bangladeshis and Bharatis as Rafeeks and Miskeens.

Soon these Rafeeks will take their revenge and devide Saudi in 4 different regions. All this Biddus will be sent to the border of Yemen. The oil rich Dhmaam will become Pakistani hamam (toilet). Riaz will go to Bharatis, and Bangladeshis will take care of Jeddah, Macca and Medina.

End of Saudis as we know it. Khas kam jahan pak (trash goes to dump).

^antiobl
what kind of bull is that…!? :konfused:

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*Originally posted by Haris Zuberi: *
^antiobl
what kind of bull is that...? konfused:
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The same bull put out by the sarkari paper of Saudi.

Come to think of it. Pakistanis are once again ready to control the lawlessness in the Middle East. Saudi and Egyptian Arrabobs are worried about that. So they put out false propaganda against Pakistan. So far this topi-drama is so effective that even informed Pakistanis are ready to jump the gun (or nuke in your case).

This is the same drama when Saudi Arrabobs ran and hid in Kaaba. Pakistani educated elite the blind followers of Arrabobs started attacking US installation without even confirming the news. We the stupid Pakistanis burned American center Lahore, and US embassy in Islamabad. The madness went to extreme where US staff had to be air-lifted from the burning buildings. University students in the two cities spearheaded the Mullahtic idiotics while attacking our guests. All for the Saudi Arrabobs.

The same madness has appeared again in Pakistan. Look what the stupid Paks are doing in Wana. They attack and kill Afghan-Pushtoons and then brag about hurting Americans.

well if US does invade Pakistan and we have no option to survive or anything, then we should just toss one nuke on India. Just for some **** and giggles :D

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*Originally posted by Haris Zuberi: *
yes Talwar, in Gen Mush the US have a fox of an ally...
i know Pakistan cant nuke the US on their soil, they can nuke them on their bases and strongholds nearby...
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For example : Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Afghanistan.... and kill millions of fellow muslims for no fault of their and turn these country into utter enemies too by killing may be a few hundreds or may be a couple of thousand US troops. Do you think Pakistan can afford to do this? So come down to earth from your cuckooland.

Antiobl

More like ur the simpleton! u guys just cant see whats goin on, shame but never mind. U guys just hold the Pak army in such high esteem, what for they're only a 3rd world army made up of large numbers, have u seen the state of them, I don't think half of them know when they last had breakfast! U talk of Pak army taking over Saudi LOL!!!!, remember what happened in 71 with India, no nukes then and Pak army surrendered, what now in 2004! The Iraqs made a lot of noise about their army and special forces coming to the aid of Iraq, what, when, how, I didn't see anything happen did u!

At the moment the US is on a CRUSADE! which was Bush's own word! What does Crusade mean in the Christian sense? Just go and find out. The Muslim nations are too divided to do anything and will end up relying on the EU or China to help them against the US's world program. Bush will be very radical now than he has been before, he will carry out his plans with more vigour before his 4 years are up! but u'll have some small time answer to this like Pak army will save the day!!!!

Are you a cook for the army? Or the soldiers came over to your house begging for breakfast?

Dan the man! Your hatred for Pakistan and Pak-army is so obvious that you deserve an honorary citizenship of Saudi. Oh wait! They call Asians as Rafeek and Miskeens and they don’t give no damn citizenship to feek-as.

71 is a black mark for the whole of Pakistan. The civilians, the politicians, and the army. Only an Arrabob wanna-be would single out the army for 71 fiasco. Politicians created instability, and the civilians slept through the whole process, and the army got all the blame. Clearly shows the level of your research.

You can interpret the word crusade the way you like. However it is worthwhile to check just three examples:

  1. The nationwide crusade against poliomyelitis (polio) began at Warm Springs, Ga., a spa where Franklin D. Roosevelt first went in 1924
    Franklin D. Roosevelt’s crusade against Polio

  2. Or check out the book "Cautious Crusade: Franklin D Roosevelt, American public opinion, and the war against Nazi Germany" by Steven Casey.

  3. Read about "The Kennedy Crusade, A Dynamic National Strategy To Defeat the Communists".

Now go read some English literature to understand the different meanings of crusade. Arrabobs generally don’t have a good command on English and that gets them in trouble all the time. If you follow English translation by Arrabobs, you will get in trouble too.

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*Originally posted by dhir: *

For example : Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Afghanistan.... and kill millions of fellow muslims for no fault of their and turn these country into utter enemies too by killing may be a few hundreds or may be a couple of thousand US troops. Do you think Pakistan can afford to do this? So come down to earth from your cuckooland.
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so if the US invades us you wont say anything to them because if you try to destroy them to save your behind, you'd be afraid you might hurt other kids in the playground? if thats as far as your strategic understanding goes, i'm afraid its you who's in the cuckooland...besides this discussion is baout what the writer wrote in the Saudi Gazzette article, and that was about the US attacking us here in Pakistan, with the help of India. theyre are already present in Afghanistan and are killing Afghanis who are fighting them, if they base up in India, and attack us on both sides, we'd have no option but to go all out agaist their bases in India and in Afghanistan and carriers in the sea. to remove a tumor the skin has to be cut, blood has to be wasted, to save a life...
and about the 'fault' of Mslim countries, i dnt know, if theyre as faultless...had the Arabs been bold enough today like King Faisal from the 70s they would have twisted the US arms through oil embargoes, the whole US domination scene through military might would never have taken place. if you look at it, its the same thing as the East India Co. coming in for trade then taking over throug the military. now it was the oil discovering explorers and today its the army...it was due to the luxury loving incompetent rulers in India and due to the luxury loving, every-darned citzen-driving-a-mercedez sheikhs in the arab world, if only the oh so innocent muslims had the aptitude to comprehend and rise up to take charge when it coud have been done none of this crap would have been happening over the muslim world today. so what if we have to attack Kuwait, Qatar, KSA (minus Hijaz), Dubai etc to save our Pakistan!? what have they done for Pakistan inspite of having enough authority and power to help their Muslim brethren, have they ever even so much as raised a voice for the Kasmiris and Palestinians!? No! theyr love licking dollar boots and that too by giving them their own riches, imagine that, not knowing their worth... instead they offered the US their bases to attack Iraq 15 yrs ago. and many know the US forces were present in KSA even before that. so they gave them their land to kill other muslims for no good reason and a few billion dollars and their luxurious lifestyles, why should we hesitate to fight back against US attack from Kuawit, Qatar, KSA just thinking that we might kill innocent muslims there...did the arabs think in letting out their land to the US forces they were allowing them to kill other muslims!? No! so the arabs would be partners in crime and hence ineligible for mercy.

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*Originally posted by Daniyal: *
Antiobl

More like ur the simpleton! u guys just cant see whats goin on, shame but never mind. U guys just hold the Pak army in such high esteem, what for they're only a 3rd world army made up of large numbers, have u seen the state of them, I don't think half of them know when they last had breakfast! U talk of Pak army taking over Saudi LOL!!!!, remember what happened in 71 with India, no nukes then and Pak army surrendered, what now in 2004! The Iraqs made a lot of noise about their army and special forces coming to the aid of Iraq, what, when, how, I didn't see anything happen did u!

At the moment the US is on a CRUSADE! which was Bush's own word! What does Crusade mean in the Christian sense? Just go and find out. The Muslim nations are too divided to do anything and will end up relying on the EU or China to help them against the US's world program. Bush will be very radical now than he has been before, he will carry out his plans with more vigour before his 4 years are up! but u'll have some small time answer to this like Pak army will save the day!!!!
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Danyial,
go meet a soldier of the Pakistan Army and you'll know why its such a great deal. perhaps its the only army in the world where the soldiers are willing to fight even without a 'breakfast' (pun intended).

1971 had a lot more to it than the actual martial surrender on 16 Dec 1971. the actual surrender had been done by the political leadership and a few incompetent drunkards of generals much earlier...
so stop bringing that up as an excuse to defame the army whenever there's a discussion.

if someone attcaks us, indeed it will be the army that'll save our arses, save ppl like you and me.