After Iraq, the USA will not be invading anyone for a very, very, very long time.
The current war is proving that the USA does not have the resources to successfully occupy ad pacify a country of merely 25 million people.
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*Originally posted by mAd_ScIeNtIsT: *
After Iraq, the USA will not be invading anyone for a very, very, very long time.
The current war is proving that the USA does not have the resources to successfully occupy ad pacify a country of merely 25 million people.
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A nation that never had any weapons let alone WMD....
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*Originally posted by Haris Zuberi: *
.....theyre are already present in Afghanistan and are killing Afghanis who are fighting them, if they base up in India, and attack us on both sides, we'd have no option but to go all out agaist their bases in India and in Afghanistan and carriers in the sea. to remove a tumor the skin has to be cut, blood has to be wasted, to save a life...
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Will you quit this hotair exchange with Bharatis? As I said the article is based on jackA$$ assumptions by the Saudi Arrabobs and one lunatic George from a leftie think tank.
The biggest threat to Pakistan right now is the Saudi supported Mullahtic idiotics attacking Pakistan from within. They are the ones destroying the fabric of Pakistani society and bombing Pakistani-Shias, Pakistani-Ahmadis, and Pakistani-Christians.
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*Originally posted by Haris Zuberi: *
...had the Arabs been bold enough today like King Faisal from the 70s they would have twisted the US arms through oil embargoes, ......
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More hotair a la Bhatoo style. When do the Pak educated elite understand the needs of 21st century? When would they leave their bow-arrow mentality behind and start living in present day realities.
Dear Harris, warfare of today is based on information processing, innovation, entrepreneurship plus the related industrial might. You can have oil or gold sans modern science and you will be worthless.
How do you acqire science? by learning! By learning as good and smart students in the West and developing a strong base in Pakistan.
Please quit using these Arrabob philosophy of the 70s when their stupid plans of embargos on Suez or oil resulted in serious Ar$$e whooping by the world powers. You don't choke someone off who is 200 pound bigger, and in top notch physical shape. Eating daal, releasing hot air, while challenging Gama Pehlwan (the great Punjabi wrestler) was not good 100 years ago, and it still is not good in the year 2004.
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*Originally posted by antiobl: *
Will you quit this hotair exchange with Bharatis? As I said the article is based on jackA$$ assumptions by the Saudi Arrabobs and one lunatic George from a leftie think tank.
The biggest threat to Pakistan right now is the Saudi supported Mullahtic idiotics attacking Pakistan from within. They are the ones destroying the fabric of Pakistani society and bombing Pakistani-Shias, Pakistani-Ahmadis, and Pakistani-Christians.
More hotair a la Bhatoo style. When do the Pak educated elite understand the needs of 21st century? When would they leave their bow-arrow mentality behind and start living in present day realities.
Dear Harris, warfare of today is based on information processing, innovation, entrepreneurship plus the related industrial might. You can have oil or gold sans modern science and you will be worthless.
How do you acqire science? by learning! By learning as good and smart students in the West and developing a strong base in Pakistan.
Please quit using these Arrabob philosophy of the 70s when their stupid plans of embargos on Suez or oil resulted in serious Ar$$e whooping by the world powers. You don't choke someone off who is 200 pound bigger, and in top notch physical shape. Eating daal, releasing hot air, while challenging Gama Pehlwan (the great Punjabi wrestler) was not good 100 years ago, and it still is not good in the year 2004.
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where excatly did you want to disagree here? have you said anything diff from what i was trying to say...? and at the moment we werent discussing the alqaeda threat which you talk about coming from saudis destroyin us from the inside, we were talking about external aggression...my opinion was perfectly in line with that discussion...so i think your negation is negation for the sake of negation.
i'm in no hot air exchange with the Bhartis, whats being discussed is the scenario that'll be if the Bhartis offer their support to the US to divide and rule over us, in which case there wont just be a hot air exchange but rapid fire exchange.
and what hotair ala bhutto...?
and, whatever you call bow and arrow mentality is being taken the wrong way, in any case, good marksmenship has always been based on the art of archery...
facts which were facts in the 70s are still facts today. and modern generals still refer to the battle plans used by Napolean and lord Arthur Wellseley some over 200 yrs ago, when they sit down to strategize their modern warfare techniques.
the only things that change are attitudes. if the embargoes were that much of a thing from the past termed by you as philosophy of the 70s, then lets note the fact that the embrago by King Faisal played havoc on the US and thgough for a short time it did shake them. AlFaisal was killed due to his blatant anti US stance, had he been around a bit longer coming into the 80s, the oil scene would have been quite diff. sure a man cant kick a camel out of the tent once its in the tent, but why let him in the tent in the first place? love the beast but keep him at a distance.
a tiny man wont lift a sumo wrestler, but if he learns martial art, he'll defeat him before the sumo guy even enters the ring. thats what the chinese have been doing to the US, killing them softly their way, they know they cant fight the big bully with guns, so they kill em wiht the brains...economics...and like you say scientific advancement.
i agree advancement in planning is the key to keep up with times, but somethings never change, like the will to fight like King Faisal could have been there in King Khaled or Fahad after him, but it wasnt, to them their cars, races, wives, palaces and summer trips to Switzerland have been more important. the Nizam of Hyderabad's family is still among the richest of the subcontinent, they were among the initial allies of the British forces back in the 1700s when the English were planning all out expansion over India, Tipu Sultan was among the few opposers, his family is unknown today, but who do we salute everyday at the mere mention of the name...? whos ideology won in the end...? 150 yrs later after Tipu Sultan's fall in 1799 the All India Muslim League named him as their official hero and declared his ideologies as theirs, and we have Pakistan as a fruit today. how strong were the british compared to the 3 world muslims and hindus of India, but didnt we both have our way?
what i'm trying to get at is that no matter what time or age we are in, we cant just say that because some things are diff and difficult we wont be able to handle them at all and so the best option would be to give in. who cares how strong the enemy is compared to what it was 20 yrs ago? what matters is how and whether we're willin gto fight him for our dignity. and fight doesnt only mean going to war.
i hope this made sense, the whole essay wasnt exactlyt ncessary, as there wasnt much you had to disgaree about anyway.